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I don’t know. Some people spoke here and I’ve known some who lost memory from getting conked on their noggin. My sister has gaps in her memory from blood loss from a surgery. I lost a few seconds in what turned out to be a non event when I was stunned at something said and once when given upsetting news. I don’t think a loss of memory equates to a delusion. Blood loss, shock, emotional protection of some kind? People not remembering abuse and going away somewhere within themselves like LK after being shot or the ear witness testimony. It’s like watching a car wreck and trying to remember if the light was red or green.

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I’ve had a rotational fall or so I’ve been told, I have no memory of the entire day preceding and only spotty memories of the next day. I incessantly asked the same 2 questions for 2 days starting immediately after the fall and could not remember the answer for even a minute.

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I’ve had 5 concussions riding. Some bad… some mild. 2 in car wrecks. 1 mild. 1 bad. My first concussion was at age 13, (not knocked cold, but bonked head hard). The second, at age 14, involved jumping down a drop. Horse stopped HARD at the last minute, and I was launched out of the tack, over it’s head and landed on my head on the downside of the drop. Broke the bill on my old school, early 90’s Hunter style helmet.

I remembered ZERO about the fall. Not cantering up to the jump, not falling. NOTHING. Consequently, ever since, I have zero fear of jumping down drops… even though it was a really bad fall.

Years later, I had my bad car wreck concussion at about age 24. Hit a tree, head on, driving about 60, after I was cut off and swerved to avoid them, then lost control of my car and jumped a median. I was wearing a seatbelt, and the airbag deployed, but I have short legs and sit close to the wheel, and somehow my head still smacked the windshield in front of me and cracked it.

My memory before and after that wreck was like Swiss cheese. Some things were incredibly vivid, almost photographic, and I can still recall them in chilling detail, almost 20 years later. Other things are totally blank. Simply gone. I don’t remember being in the hospital. I don’t remember what the car looked like that I swerved to avoid (other witnesses saw it). I don’t remember my head hitting the windshield or any pain. I do remember walking around on the grass on the side of the road, after getting out of my car, right before the EMTs arrived.

Anyway… no two concussions are alike. Most especially in people who have an extensive history of prior concussion.

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This!!!

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I am quite behind (darned work!) and am not sure if anyone has posted this but hubby ran across this site last night.

I think the video is of the summations, with an introduction by an attorney who is an internationally known expert in self defense law. This video is from his podcast.

I haven’t had a chance to watch the whole thing - just some of the intro - but he believes the self-defense angle does not apply here (and it has been ruled out by the judge). He also thinks the insanity defense does not hold water either and believes MB should have accepted the plea deal.

I’m going to try to watch some more of it but am not sure how much I will get to due to other responsibilities. Perhaps someone else will have more time to look at it. (You can click the title above to get to the link for the video.)

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I had a rotational fall when I was 17 years old that happened in a hunter/jumper warm up ring. I had a severe concussion, especially because my horse stepped on and cracked my cork lined helmet when she stood up. I have no memory of the warmup at all, no memory of the incident. I had a dream that replayed the events of the evening before (us teen girls snuck out of the hotel under our trainer’s nose and went to a party). I came to, briefly, muttering “I’m sorry. I’m sorry.” which was an apology to the trainer for sneaking out. I passed out again. Then I briefly came to and remember being put into an ambulance. I remember them cutting my riding clothes off. They took me to a regional hospital and then transferred me via another ambulance to a downtown Chicago hospital. I don’t remember any of that. I remember waking up to one of my riding friends crying over me in intensive care (I had been in a coma for three days at that point) and seeing a large person on a respirator in the bed next to me and then blacking out again. I was in a coma for another two days and that was my only memory until I woke up and then they transferred me to a regular hospital room. There were two weeks that I had very minimal memories. Head injuries can be like that. In 2015, I was trampled by a horse (also at a show) and had my ankle crushed. I did not hurt my head. I remember every single second of that incident. In both cases, the first question I asked was how my horses were doing.

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That was my first question as well, Is the horse ok and then what happened?

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I’ve watched it, but he has such a flimsy grasp of what was actually testified to (the bare bones of the case as he presents them are all wrong) that I can’t believe he has the spent the time on it to make an accurate assessment.

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He/She reported my comment to YT lol

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2 heart attacks did wonders for my memory, short term is gone baby gone lol really, it’s aggravating I cannot remember many things including phone numbers etc and what I did 15 minutes ago.

I wanted to say about this case that I do not understand why MB did not just file eviction and let this go. I had rental properties for a good part of my life, starting at 17 and I just sold the last one when I turned 60 so I was an evil slumlord and never had to actually file eviction on anyone in all those years and I had 4 houses at once many of those years. I lived in Dallas Texas and the court system for landlord/tenant issues is quite simply for the landlord for the most part. You give a 3 day notice, then if they do not leave you file the actual document. After that the tenant will get a notice registered mail to show up at court, usually around 10 days after I filed. At court IF the person shows, the judge will listen to the excuse and give the tenant X number of days to vacate. If said tenant does not move I have to go back to court and file what is called a " writ of execution". This will take another 10 days or so and the judge will sign this and set a date usually around 3 days from his signature date so when this day comes a sheriff will show up at my property and keep the peace while I, yes me, moves their junk out in the street, a lovely process so I have been told. But point being the entire mess is cleared up in about 1 month. So why didn’t this happen? Is Jersey different than Texas?

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Also, it has occurred to me that the defense may have done a disservice to MB by not having him clean up for his appearance for court. It’s possible that a juror might be put off by his unkempt look and think, “Well, he may have been insane during that incident, but he still looks a bit deranged. I am not sure I feel comfortable letting someone like that loose in the community where I and my family live.”

[Edited to fix a typo!]

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I’ve watched quite a few of his livestreams on the Barisone case. He’s been quite critical of Bilinkas and how he’s handled the case

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This just reminded me of something that happened to my farrier‘s wife many years ago.

She was at the barn riding her horse, and she was running a little bit behind schedule. So when she ran out to hop in her car and leave, she forgot to take her helmet off as she normally did. And then she got in a car accident on the way home with her helmet still on, cracked the windshield with her head, and did not have a scratch on her or any sort of concussion.

It was pretty darn lucky that she forgot to take her helmet off that day!

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I don’t think ownership matters. It is that he intended to commit a crime with the gun, that is the basis of the charge.
That weapons charge is going to be guilty or hang the jury. It seems like the behavior was too logical (opening the safe, choosing the one operable handgun, loading it) to be delusional for all the jurors to accept insanity.

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I watched a lot of his video. He started watching the trial because he thought there would be a full fledged self defense involved. Then… he seemed to have trouble shifting gears, and realizing it was a different sort of case.

He definitely think Bilinkas did an awful job. He’s crystal clear about that.

I wanted to find something useful and informative from listening to him, to temper my hopes that the jury finds MB not guilty… but I found myself annoyed, because this guy seems fixated on promoting his own theory of how to go about arguing self defense perfectly, and being “hard to convict” - and anything that deviates from his promoted theory of how best to argue this aspect t of law? He thinks it’s just crap.

He really disliked Bilinkas’ closing and mocked it. :woman_shrugging:

He does acknowledge NJ gun laws are some of the most strict in the entire country. I wish he had spoken more about that.

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Ah, good to know. As I said, I have only watched the first 10 minutes or so. I do wonder though if he has such a flimsy grasp of the testimony, what about the jurors, who were not allowed to take notes?

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I agree. It is different for everyone. I’m glad all the posters who responded to my comment lived to share their stories. Most equestrians have head injury stories (yet we keep climbing back on). It will be interesting to see if the amnesia claim helps or hurts MB. I hope it helps, but it could easily cut the other way too.

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Thanks, it’s good to hear input from folks that have watched the whole thing. :smiley:

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I had the same impression. I stopped watching it

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I can appreciate what you are saying.

Do you think that Dr. Simring’s testimony that MB grabbed the gun because he was sincerely in fear of his life, and wanted to have it for self defense, will factor into any of the juror’s decisions on the weapons charges?

The more I have relistened to Simring’s testimony, the more it’s clear he says that MB was in a full blown delusional state prior to the shooting. It had been building, according to Simring. The appearance of the DCPP worker there that day was “the final straw.”

Personally? I think a hung jury seems pretty likely. Especially if they focus on Simring’s testimony tomorrow. It doesn’t fit easily with the applicable charges.

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