Barisone- New Thread

[Helicon]

If you read my original post you will see that I addressed this point. Also, I wrote that IMO he believed he was out of legal options, not that he was out of legal options.

[eggbutt]

@RND

@Fat_Dinah

The judge has ordered the jury not to consider self defense. That ship has sailed.

And the judge ordered this solely because the defense offered absolutely no evidence that it was self defense. There was simply no basis at all for the jury to even consider self defense. Just like the defense offered absolutely no evidence that someone other than MB fired a gun that day. People here are just making up stories out of nowhere because they want MB to be innocent, not because of any evidence that the defense has presented (which is their job). MB’s defense has not once shown even the slightest little bit of evidence that MB is not the sole individual who pulled a trigger that day. If there was any evidence that someone other than MB shot a gun at someone that day, the defense would have presented the crap out of it. But they didn’t, because it doesn’t exist. You all might as well say that a unicorn with opposable thumbs came out of nowhere and stole the gun out of MB’s pocket, shot LK, and ran off never to be seen again. Because that is as likely a scenario as someone other than MB pulling the trigger and shooting LK that day. MB shot LK. No matter how much many of you want to deny the truth, my unicorn story is just as likely as your stories that LK shot herself or RG shot LK. Talk about insane.

And yet, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID FIRE A GUN, thanks to the woefully incompetent MCPO’s failure to get any forensic evidence! See, how that works? No evidence at all. So direct your comments to the MCPO, not those who can comprehend reasonable doubt.

Talk about insane!!!

[MHM]

This is Nancy Jaffer’s column from yesterday. It’s pretty interesting. If anyone already posted it on the thread, I missed it.

Was Barisone Insane?

Coincidentally, the news anchor on the TV is talking about the shooting today in Brooklyn again, and they are talking about the fact that the surveillance cameras there were not working, so that they have no idea what happened when it comes to the details of the crime. They are trying to piece it together from physical evidence and witness accounts.

But of course, they have a lot of witnesses. Not just two unreliable witnesses.

[smoofox]

@Sdel

Uh, no, she said she didn’t want to become a witness and deleted them. Eggbutt had nothing to do with it. Some of them had already been up for over a year.

This ^ is correct. And a few posts are still there.

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

I’m pretty new to the Barisone threads. Not to the forums… just to these threads.

I think the rancor goes both ways.

Some people feel really passionately that LK is a monster who never faces consequences.

Other people feel that some folks are minimizing MBs actions, and if he WASN’T insane, and he DID shoot her intentionally? It was a crime and he should be held accountable.

That’s just what I am seeing. I’m finding myself agreeing with some posters on these threads who I often have tension with on other threads, and having tension with some posters that I normally see eye to eye with.

Why can’t we all just get along…

Yes, the rancor goes both ways. Most of us in these threads were not MB fangirls or any other derisive term that was tossed out… nor were we LK fans. If you found fault with LK’s often bizarre and incendiary posts - well, hey - it must be because you were a MB fangirl. We just wanted to wade through the back and forth feeding frenzies that erupted at times in search of some facts…

If you posted that LK should not be posting like that as she was not helping herself - as a few of us did - you were also declared a fangirl and subjected to haughty lectures (YankeeDuchess style) about how clueless we were etc.

As it turned out, LK admitted that she constantly lied on SM… so apparently we were right.

After watching the trial and seeing LK on the stand… I feel that she is a sad, manipulative person who has never had to answer for anything and always had everything go her way. I have dealt with that in real life - as I have noted. That still does not make me that tiresome MB fangirl - it just gave me a look at the real person behind the LOLing, insults, threats and lies.

We have no definitive details about how the events of that day actually went down. LK and RG had differing testimonies. MB has no memory of it. If only Rosie could talk. The result was LK was shot, MB was battered and bashed… and RG appeared to have escaped more or less unscathed. None of it had to happen. Every party involved could have stopped it at some point in the long escalation that lead up to that day.

MB is not the only one who would benefit from help/therapy when all this is said and done. And I am saying that kindly - with concern.

[Rowdy]

I’m not making their acts legitimate or legal. Their actions are not on trial, Barisone’s are. You’re making an argument that even the defense isn’t making. By using the insanity defense, the Barisone team (including Barisone himself) is admitting that he shot LK. Full stop. That is the legal state of the defense case. It was the defense attorney’s burden to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Barisone was insane (this is a legal term, not a psychological term) when he shot LK. He doesn’t deny shooting her – he just claims he was insane when he did it. Even if LK and RG never testified or gave statements, the evidence points to the fact that Barisone shot LK. Don’t you understand that the defense can’t even mount an insanity defense without admitting to shooting the victim?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@RND

@Fat_Dinah

The judge has ordered the jury not to consider self defense. That ship has sailed.

And the judge ordered this solely because the defense offered absolutely no evidence that it was self defense. There was simply no basis at all for the jury to even consider self defense. Just like the defense offered absolutely no evidence that someone other than MB fired a gun that day. People here are just making up stories out of nowhere because they want MB to be innocent, not because of any evidence that the defense has presented (which is their job). MB’s defense has not once shown even the slightest little bit of evidence that MB is not the sole individual who pulled a trigger that day. If there was any evidence that someone other than MB shot a gun at someone that day, the defense would have presented the crap out of it. But they didn’t, because it doesn’t exist. You all might as well say that a unicorn with opposable thumbs came out of nowhere and stole the gun out of MB’s pocket, shot LK, and ran off never to be seen again. Because that is as likely a scenario as someone other than MB pulling the trigger and shooting LK that day. MB shot LK. No matter how much many of you want to deny the truth, my unicorn story is just as likely as your stories that LK shot herself or RG shot LK. Talk about insane.

And yet, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID FIRE A GUN, thanks to the woefully incompetent MCPO’s failure to get any forensic evidence! See, how that works? No evidence at all.

Talk about insane!!!

If there really is no evidence he “fired a gun”, are you predicting the verdict will come back “not guilty” on attempted murder?

Since the instructions are that they don’t even need to consider insanity until after they’ve determined that the state made its case on the fact of the shooting, I think a straight “not guilty” is in the rear view mirror.

[eggbutt]

@smoofox

MB is not the only one who would benefit from help/therapy when all this is said and done. And I am saying that kindly - with concern.

I think we can all figure out the only one who will actively seek treatment.

[RND]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I came into this discussion with an open mind. Except that I thought LK was a nut. But I now have grave doubts about what exactly happened, and how it happened. I don’t know what MBs mental state is. I’m not in the courtroom and I’m not a shrink. But… between the testimony of Simring, and my deep suspicion of LK and RG, and this consequent feeling that I have no idea what happened at the house that day, in terms of whether a beating preceded a shooting, if the shooting was accidental, etc etc…

The problem is that MB kicked MHG and the CPS woman out of the office, got the gun and the ammo out of the safe, loaded the gun, got into his truck, and drove to the house where LK and MB were. HE was the one looking for trouble in that specific scenario. Had he gotten word that LK and RG were heading to the barn, and armed himself IN CASE they showed up, that might be understandable. But he ensured that he was armed and went to them. That is hugely problematic for him. And I’m not going to entertain those who believe he thought they weren’t there because that’s absurd. I’m also not going to entertain that he was scared of the dog because he didn’t shoot the dog. He armed himself and went looking for them, and he shot LK.

[caffeinated]

They are saying they don’t believe LK and RGs version of events.

Others keep on saying over and over, “Yes they are vile, but that’s no excuse for shooting them!”

People then get angry and frustrated… because their position is being mischaracterized, fairly frequently.

That’s exactly the dynamic that’s been going on since the very first thread, and you put this way better than I could.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

Uh, no, she said she didn’t want to become a witness and deleted them. Eggbutt had nothing to do with it.

The general reaction of the Eggbutt-led thread was very hostile to someone who had trained with Barisone and characterized him as abusive and dishonest. She left and deleted all posts.

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

So you’re saying that when LK messaged me and others, lying and threatening us in all sorts of ways that she was being EFFECTIVE in trying to chase us off?

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

The lack of physical evidence to me is stunning. No fingerprints were taken, on the gun, the magazines, or the bullet casings. No gsr testing was done on the involved parties. Vehicles were left un searched, possible video was ignored for months. Then I get to LK & RGs testimony, which doesn’t make sense and with all of their witness stand evasions I’m left with reasonable doubt. Add in the Drs and I firmly believe the state has failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

[RND]

@eggbutt

And yet, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID FIRE A GUN, thanks to the woefully incompetent MCPO’s failure to get any forensic evidence! See, how that works? No evidence at all. So direct your comments to the MCPO, not those who can comprehend reasonable doubt.

Talk about insane!!!

Why didn’t Bilinkas offer any evidence (or even a story with no evidence) that MB didn’t fire the gun? Why is he using the insanity defense if MB didn’t fire the gun? Seriously, even the defense is admitting that MB fired the gun; that you can’t accept that is just really weird.

[MHM]

@RND

He armed himself and went looking for them, and he shot LK.

So you have the missing video from the security camera, then? Please do share.

[FitzE]

@Rowdy

Pay attention or read the comment through before responding so charmingly.

This from the poster who called everyone else on here ‘cockroaches’ before indulging in The Worlds Shortest Flounce? (as well as declaring responses ‘stupid’ and then mocking me/my professional status/competence or maybe it was all lawyers on here - it was hard to follow)

Heal thine own tone before policing that of others.

You go along fairly civilly then lash out with name calling and mockery. Maybe try to stablise yourself a bit before dispensing more advice? Cause a lot of what you’ve put out on here is not terribly charming either. I really think you can make your points without the names, mockery, and speculation about other posters’ professions.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

Uh, no, she said she didn’t want to become a witness and deleted them. Eggbutt had nothing to do with it.

The general reaction of the Eggbutt-led thread was very hostile to someone who had trained with Barisone and characterized him as abusive and dishonest. She left and deleted all posts.

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

So you’re saying that when LK message me and others, lying and threatening us that she was being EFFECTIVE in trying to chase us off?

No. I’m saying that the hostility from Eggbutt and others towards anyone not sharing their opinion has successfully chased off a considerable number of posters.

It was Eggbutt who said that LKs PMs and threats had chased off some posters.

[RND]

@MHM

So you have the missing video from the security camera, then? Please do share.

MB’s own defense has not denied that he shot LK; the fact that you still think he didn’t is pathetic.

[CHT]

Except how did he know they were there? Wasn’t he still under the impression they had been evicted by the fire marshal, who neglected to tell him they had been allowed back? It is very possible he did take the gun to protect himself from the dog, who was the only one he expected to be at the house. If he was going down there to kill them, wouldn’t he have taken some steps to ensure they were at the house first (calling them for example)?

who knows, maybe he was going to the house to burn the damn thing own by that point…

[MHM]

@FitzE

This from the poster who called everyone else on here ‘cockroaches’ before indulging in The Worlds Shortest Flounce?

Ooo, that’s a fantastic term. Maybe you should trademark it.

The Worlds Shortest Flounce TM.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

The lack of physical evidence to me is stunning. No fingerprints were taken, on the gun, the magazines, or the bullet casings. No gsr testing was done on the involved parties. Vehicles were left un searched, possible video was ignored for months. Then I get to LK & RGs testimony, which doesn’t make sense and with all of their witness stand evasions I’m left with reasonable doubt. Add in the Drs and I firmly believe the state has failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

With respect to the psychiatric experts, it is the burden of the defense to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Barisone was legally insane.

It is not the burden of the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Barisone was sane.

[Rowdy]

Oh, I see. I’m not allowed to respond to a rude comment, but you are. Okay. Got it. As for the rudeness you perceive in my response, I was parroting the statement made to me (“pay attention”). Do you have any words of wisdom for that person?