Barisone- New Thread

[TwiSedai]

Where exactly did the defense ever say MB shot her? Maybe I missed it but I don’t remember hearing that. I heard that they can’t claim definitively that he DIDN’T DO it, since he has no memory, but never heard it stated he did. Just that IF he did, it was because they drove him insane.

And taking the gun also does not automatically equal admitting he shot her.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

I understand that, but I was already at reasonable doubt before their testimony which only solidified my opinion.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

Uh, no, she said she didn’t want to become a witness and deleted them. Eggbutt had nothing to do with it.

The general reaction of the Eggbutt-led thread was very hostile to someone who had trained with Barisone and characterized him as abusive and dishonest. She left and deleted all posts.

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

So you’re saying that when LK message me and others, lying and threatening us that she was being EFFECTIVE in trying to chase us off?

No. I’m saying that the hostility from Eggbutt and others towards anyone not sharing their opinion has successfully chased off a considerable number of posters.

It was Eggbutt who said that LKs PMs and threats had chased off some posters.

Oh? Whom have I chased off? List their names.

[EADoug]

@MHM

@FitzE

This from the poster who called everyone else on here ‘cockroaches’ before indulging in The Worlds Shortest Flounce?

Ooo, that’s a fantastic term. Maybe you should trademark it.

The Worlds Shortest Flounce TM.

I expect to see this on the screen for Pony Finals, 2023

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

Uh, no, she said she didn’t want to become a witness and deleted them. Eggbutt had nothing to do with it.

The general reaction of the Eggbutt-led thread was very hostile to someone who had trained with Barisone and characterized him as abusive and dishonest. She left and deleted all posts.

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

It chased me off for a while until my posts magically reappeared after the Great Hack. LOL!

[Djones]

Not directed at any specific poster:

There is also the version of possible events where he went to the house to kill himself because he had every reason to believe they were NOT there because he did not know the town had let them back into the residence. A conversation ensued, then the rest happened.

If you can let yourself think he armed himself to shoot HER and or them BOTH, what is stopping you from considering the suicide angle?

[RND]

@CHT

Except how did he know they were there? Wasn’t he still under the impression they had been evicted by the fire marshal, who neglected to tell him they had been allowed back? It is very possible he did take the gun to protect himself from the dog, who was the only one he expected to be at the house. If he was going down there to kill them, wouldn’t he have taken some steps to ensure they were at the house first (calling them for example)?

who knows, maybe he was going to the house to burn the damn thing own by that point…

Has there been actual testimony that MB didn’t know LK and MB were still at the house? Why would he think they moved out but left their dog there? If he thought they were gone, it doesn’t make sense that he would interrupt the meeting between MHG and CPS multiple times and then kick them out so he could get RC’s gun out of the safe, load it, get into his truck , and drive to the house to… burn it down?? Really, that’s your story?

I hope all of you come back here in a few years and re-read what you have written here, because most of it is as crazy as you accuse LK of being.

[MHM]

@RND

@MHM

So you have the missing video from the security camera, then? Please do share.

MB’s own defense has not denied that he shot LK; the fact that you still think he didn’t is pathetic.

So in other words, you’re saying you do not have the video.

Or any other independent physical evidence to prove the story of the two unreliable witnesses.

[FitzE]

@Rowdy

I’m trying to imagine a world envisioned by people who think MB was justified in shooting LK because she’s a horrible person who made his life very difficult.

I’m trying to imagine a world envisaged by people who watched a trail in which it was established under oath that:

• no forensics were done on the weapon
• no testing was done on anyone’s hands at the scene
• the only ‘evidence’ presented was the mismatched stories of two people who were demonstrated to have lied while under oath

and come away believing MB shot LK because she’s a horrible person who made his life very difficult.

[Knights_Mom]

@RND

@MHM

So you have the missing video from the security camera, then? Please do share.

MB’s own defense has not denied that he shot LK; the fact that you still think he didn’t is pathetic.

What’s pathetic is the inability to follow logic.

How could MB ever defend himself if he cannot testify due to having no recollection of the event?

By default, his defense has to then be done in such a way that dependability of his recollection is not a prerequisite of the event and instead becomes part of the defense.

[Rowdy]

Asking the jury to believe he was insane and therefore not responsible for his actions requires an action. Exactly what action is he claiming was insane? As crazy as it sounds, this is how an insanity defense works.

"You and your criminal defense attorney might claim that you are “not guilty by reason of insanity” in court.

Your defense will rely on evidence proving that you — the defendant — were “insane” when the alleged crime happened. A successful insanity defense means you are not criminally liable for breaking the law." https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/not-guilty-by-reason-of-insanity.html#:~:text=You%20and%20your%20criminal%20defense,liable%20for%20breaking%20the%20law.

[eggbutt]

@RND

Why didn’t Bilinkas offer any evidence (or even a story with no evidence) that MB didn’t fire the gun? Why is he using the insanity defense if MB didn’t fire the gun? Seriously, even the defense is admitting that MB fired the gun; that you can’t accept that is just really weird.

I believe in this country the prosecution must prove guilt. If you watched the closing arguments, did you notice the complete lack of evidence mentioned? Go back and watch that closing again and you’ll realize Schellhorn didn’t prove anything. He had two “star” witnesses who had to be compelled to testify, an inept PD, a rambling egocentric expert witness leaving the jury and others (myself included) with many, many questions. If I’m going to put someone in prison for years and years, I want some provable FACTS. Without facts I have reasonable doubt.

[MHM]

@EADoug

@MHM

@FitzE

This from the poster who called everyone else on here ‘cockroaches’ before indulging in The Worlds Shortest Flounce?

Ooo, that’s a fantastic term. Maybe you should trademark it.

The Worlds Shortest Flounce TM.

I expect to see this on the screen for Pony Finals, 2023

Omg. That is an inspired idea. I’m tempted to go out and buy a qualified pony tomorrow just to make that happen this summer.

[RND]

@MHM

So in other words, you’re saying you do not have the video.

Or any other independent physical evidence to prove the story of the two unreliable witnesses

[Rowdy]

I guess we will see whether the jury sees it your way.

[Djones]

Yes.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Djones

Not directed at any specific poster:

There is also the version of possible events where he went to the house to kill himself because he had every reason to believe they were NOT there because he did not know the town had let them back into the residence. A conversation ensued, then the rest happened.

If you can let yourself think he armed himself to shoot HER and or them BOTH, what is stopping you from considering the suicide angle?

Actually, I have thought of the intention being murder/suicide.

He thinks his life is ruined, and out of frustration and anger or psychotic break decides to commit suicide, but take them with him.

Not unlike some angry divorced father who gets a gun and murders the ex wife and the children, then turns the gun on himself. It’s still highly illegal though.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

This is going to REALLY annoy you.

So I apologize in advance.

But isn’t it possible that:

1. Simring’s diagnosis is right, MB had a psychotic break, has a delusional disorder of the persecutory type, and made a totally crazy and impulsive choice to grab a gun, and drive to the house to confront them, because the DCPP investigator had just showed up, and per Simring’s testimony… that made MB snap. He became convinced MHGs kids were going to be taken away and harmed…

2. A. When MB arrived at the house, he was a mess and out of it. RG was the first to confront him and rushed at him. MB pulled the gun, and somehow LK got shot, accidentally.

Or

2. B. LKs own weapons weren’t actually in NC, and she did have a gun in NJ. And when she went down to confront MB when she showed up at the house, he saw her gun, and reacted quickly like a crazy fearful person, & went ahead and actually shot her. And… RG quickly subdued him, but they hid LKs weapon before the police showed up. Threw it In RGs vehicle. Which was never searched.

In either scenario, they deleted the blink camera footage.

**** End of my speculations ****

See… I realize those are speculations. The defense does not have a basis to argue either in court. There is no evidence. But… they aren’t as wild as a unicorn theory. I’m not saying LK shot herself. I am merely saying, I think whatever happened was a different series of events than LK or RGs testimony leads anyone to believe. And they used the opportunity to screw MB… one more time.

At this point… I do believe MB has amnesia. And… I think LKs memory is probably seriously suspect too.

RG knows what happened though. That guy is a total criminal though.

Sooo… if both 1 & 2a or 2b are true, NGI is a just outcome.

[MHM]

@Helicon

If he told them to leave at gun point and they did not leave but instead attempted to jump him and wrestle the gun away, then, in my inexpert opinion that considerably weakens the case for attempted murder. Since Lauren has already backed him down before, I think it’s quite possible.

Yes, but my point is, don’t you think that if the confrontation started out that way, LK and RG would have been singing that story to the rooftops from the very first minute? And maybe been able to actually keep their story straight between them?

[caffeinated]

And yet, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID FIRE A GUN, thanks to the woefully incompetent MCPO’s failure to get any forensic evidence! See, how that works? No evidence at all.

Yes there is.

1- he went and got the gun. We know this and it is not in dispute. He took it to the scene

2- LK had two bullets in her that did not get there by themselves.

Eyewitness, and ear witness, testimony is evidence. Is it forensic evidence? No, but it is still evidence. And there’s zero evidence of some alternative scenario. LK and RG are imperfect witnesses and not entirely reliable - true - but it’s still evidence.

The only real conceivable alternative I can think of, that’s plausible, is that there may have been a scuffle during which the gun went off, or it was more standard self defense. But there’s even less evidence for that. It’s possible forensic evidence may have found something to support an alternative explanation, and that’s worth being upset about, but repeatedly saying there’s no evidence he pulled the trigger is wrong. It may be imperfect evidence, but it still counts.