Barisone- New Thread

[Djones]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Actually, I have thought of the intention being murder/suicide.

And the option I detailed is plausible as well?

[CHT]

They can’t have testimony that MB didn’t know he was at the house because MB didn’t testify, but the fire marshal testified that he didn’t inform MB that they were allowed back, only that they had been evicted. Leaving on short notice (such as to a hotel) might make taking a dog difficult, and if MB was used to being afraid of the dog when he went to the house, his reaction might instinctively to take the gun. The suicide angle also makes sense, although then the cell phones neatly on the table doesn’t make as much sense. I think if he was looking to kill himself, he would have gone elsewhere when he saw them. More likely (in my mind) that he did sit down with them when he saw they were there, and then things took a turn.

Of course we will never actually know.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

No. I’m saying that the hostility from Eggbutt and others towards anyone not sharing their opinion has successfully chased off a considerable number of posters.

It was Eggbutt who said that LKs PMs and threats had chased off some posters.

Ummm… some of the hostility towards anyone not sharing the “correct” opinion did annoy many posters… only it was the repeated lecturing and sneering about MB fangirls, cockroaches (the newest addition) and other colorful condemnation that did not even come from LK. Her threats and rages and rants were the truly hostile sh-stuff that some no longer wanted to wade through - and see repeatedly applauded and defended by a select few.

@MHM

@FitzE

This from the poster who called everyone else on here ‘cockroaches’ before indulging in The Worlds Shortest Flounce?

Ooo, that’s a fantastic term. Maybe you should trademark it.

The Worlds Shortest Flounce TM.

Meh. YankeeDuchess already perfected the world’s shortest flounce here. Multiple times.

[ToN_Farm]

@Djones

There is also the version of possible events where he went to the house to kill himself because he had every reason to believe they were NOT there because he did not know the town had let them back into the residence. A conversation ensued, then the rest happened.

If you can let yourself think he armed himself to shoot HER and or them BOTH, what is stopping you from considering the suicide angle?

He took extra ammo didn’t he?

[eggbutt]

@caffeinated

And yet, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID FIRE A GUN, thanks to the woefully incompetent MCPO’s failure to get any forensic evidence! See, how that works? No evidence at all.

Yes there is.

1- he went and got the gun. We know this and it is not in dispute. He took it to the scene

2- LK had two bullets in her that did not get there by themselves.

Eyewitness, and ear witness, testimony is evidence. Is it forensic evidence? No, but it is still evidence. And there’s zero evidence of some alternative scenario. LK and RG are imperfect witnesses and not entirely reliable - true - but it’s still evidence.

The only real conceivable alternative I can think of, that’s plausible, is that there may have been a scuffle during which the gun went off, or it was more standard self defense. But there’s even less evidence for that. It’s possible forensic evidence may have found something to support an alternative explanation, and that’s worth being upset about, but repeatedly saying there’s no evidence he pulled the trigger is wrong. It may be imperfect evidence, but it still counts.

Imperfect evidence. Got it.

By the way, you actually proposed a reasonable doubt scenario in your post! You folks are so frigging eager to put man away for a long, long time with nothing to go on. I really do worry about our justice system with folks like you making decisions. No questions. Just black and white.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

What about a 911 call in which a woman says “I’ve been shot. Michael Barisone just shot me”, and when LE gets there a minute later they find a woman with two bullet holes in her chest.

That’s not evidence?

[MHM]

@RND

@MHM

So in other words, you’re saying you do not have the video.

Or any other independent physical evidence to prove the story of the two unreliable witnesses

Aww, that’s so sweet. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you very much.

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@KarenK

@CurrentlyHorseless

Isn’t that the purpose of all the hostility to posters who voice opposing views? To chase them off? It’s quite effective.

No…It’s called being THIN SKINNED…if you can’t take the heat…

No

[Rowdy]

Anything is possible and no apologies necessary. I appreciate your thoughtful questions.

The defense was throwing everything at the wall and making the most emotional, desperate (yes, desperate) arguments he could make, complete with yelling. MB’s appearance played into the poor Michael argument he was making. I’ve never seen a defendant look so disheveled or out of it and I’ve seen defendants that were sent straight to Buchner (prison for mentally ill). He may have gotten to some jurors, but not all. Now it’s up to the jury to wade through the evidence (and they will have access to every speck of it).

Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if LK’s recollection of events is spotty; she was in an induced coma for some time and that can impact memory, not to mention the trauma of being shot.

Bilinkas’ theories (and that’s all they are) may carry weight with the jury and lead to a NGI verdict. The weapons charge, however, is probably a slam dunk for the prosecution. I don’t know how sentencing works in a situation like this. Regardless, I hope MB gets the help he needs and I hope everyone else stays far, far away from LK.

[hut-ho78]

@Manahmanah

People keep asking why the formal eviction process was not started sooner. Steve Tarshis (horse lawyer) had been talking to LKs father in the weeks preceeding the shooting, trying to get LK to leave on her own. This is they were trying to get her to Parra’s. ST mentioned that he thought he and the dad had an agreement - judge cut him off about this and wouldn’t let him elaborate.

If you have ever been in an abusive relationship you would know that the victim will do almost anything to not escalate the situation the abuser. I can completely understand why MB would try using the father as an intermediary to avoid invoking any more of LKs wrath. I’m sure ST did object as his lawyer. When you are being abused you don’t necessarily listen to logical advice.

The other question being asked a lot - why didn’t MB put himself im.a hotel /mental health facility / vacation etc? You have 2 degenerate drug addicts laying siege your multi million dollar facility that houses easily over a million dollars of horseflesh that has been entrusted to you. Would you leave it to them? It would be a pretty big ask to have JH/MHG etc in charge of babysitting LK. Additionally, I view the call by LK to code enforcement about a faulty dryer fire hazard in the barn as a threat. It would be so coincidental if she warned them about a fire hazard and a short while later the barn burned down. He had someone watching the barn all night because he couldn’t trust them and was doing night long patrols himself. No way a person with that level of (justified, imo) fear is going to leave and just trust that everything will turn out “OK”.

That is quite a stretch.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@RND

The problem is that MB kicked MHG and the CPS woman out of the office, got the gun and the ammo out of the safe, loaded the gun, got into his truck, and drove to the house where LK and MB were. HE was the one looking for trouble in that specific scenario. Had he gotten word that LK and RG were heading to the barn, and armed himself IN CASE they showed up, that might be understandable. But he ensured that he was armed and went to them. That is hugely problematic for him.

I agree with this. It does trouble me.

I also listened to Simring’s testimony again today. And think his diagnosis fits with this set of facts.

The question to me is… does a diagnosis of a delusional disorder of a persecutory type get someone all the way to NGI?

That’s tricky. That’s why the jurors need to rely on Simring and other experts, and not the rest of us.

[RND]

@Knights_Mom

What’s pathetic is the inability to follow logic.

How could MB ever defend himself if he cannot testify due to having no recollection of the event?

By default, his defense has to then be done in such a way that dependability of his recollection is not a prerequisite of the event and instead becomes part of the defense.

Following logic is indeed a recurring problem on these threads. It is a real shame that MB can’t remember anything after he got the gun out of the safe and drove to the house where LK and RG were. What many here don’t understand is that just because MB can’t remember anything after that, his lawyer can’t just make up magical stories that might have happened without presenting any evidence that those magical stories actually happened. The judge actually stated that early in the trial.

If MB’s lawyer was allowed to just make up stories, he could have presented a case where a unicorn with opposable thumbs stole the gun from MB, shot LK, and ran off never to be seen again. And who can argue that right? Just because no one has ever seen a unicorn with opposable thumbs doesn’t mean they don’t exist; that right there is reasonable doubt don’t you think?? Just like just because there is no evidence that LK didn’t shoot herself doesn’t mean that she didn’t do that. Both of those scenarios are equally absurd and no one in their right mind would consider either one. Except some here are actually crazy enough to believe the latter could be true.

There’s no reasoning with people like that so carry on with your crazy selves but don’t expect me to stop pointing out the crazy.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What about a 911 call in which a woman says “I’ve been shot. Michael Barisone just shot me”, and when LE gets there a minute later they find a Roman with two billet holes in her chest.

That’s not evidence?

It’s evidence she had bullets in her when she called.

It’s not evidence of how the bullets got there.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

One poster, who has since disappeared, said that she had trained with Barisone around 2015 or so, and had a talented PSG horse that MB wanted to campaign himself. She did not agree to his campaigning the horse, and she said Barisone had the horse shipped to Florida without her knowledge or consent anyway. She subsequently took her horse out of training with him. She said she was afraid of Barisone and considered him dishonest. The posts have been erased.

Yes, and she also posted that she went back to train with him a second time. He must not have been that cruel, huh? The information I received about the horse going to FL was it was a simple miscommunication between the woman and Barisone.

That’s definitely not what the poster stated here.

Really? As I recall I was the one who asked why she went back a second time. She never fully explained here how/why her horse ended up in FL did she? It was about the same time LK was singing her song about MB/MHG wanting to “steal” her horses. Coincidence?

She never went back. She even said her real name. We googled her lovely horses and someone looked up the horse show record and it was a very nice horse. She is a very nice polite person.

[caffeinated]

By the way, you actually proposed a reasonable doubt scenario in your post! You folks are so frigging eager to put man away for a long, long time with nothing to go on. I really do worry about our justice system with folks like you making decisions. No questions. Just black and white.

Who is “you folks?” I’ve been called an MB fangirl, an LK supporter, had her like some of my posts and also message me a threat, so what “you folks” am I? I’m certainly not “eager” to put anyone away here, and have repeatedly expressed that I think the whole thing is sad for everyone.

“Evidence” is rarely perfect or ironclad, despite what we see in CSI shows. And it’s absolutely crazy that the police didn’t collect any basic forensic evidence in this case, that might have put to rest some doubt. And yes, I agree, there is certainly some doubt here.

But you repeatedly all-caps post that there’s “NO EVIDENCE” he shot the gun when there is. It’s not great evidence. There is room for doubt. But right now what evidence exists points to him pulling the trigger.

(Personally I am hoping for the insanity defense to come through in this cased, and I hope he gets help and finds a way out from this. For what that’s worth)

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Thanks for that REALLY thoughtful response. I hear you, and agree.

The weapons charges are kind of wild to me. But that’s NJ law.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Djones

@CurrentlyHorseless

Actually, I have thought of the intention being murder/suicide.

And the option I detailed is plausible as well?

If he just wanted to commit suicide, why involve them? He was very angry and blamed them for ruining his life. I can see murder/suicide, but not suicide alone.

[skydy]

@Rowdy

Bilinkas’ theories (and that’s all they are) may carry weight with the jury and lead to a NGI verdict. The weapons charge, however, is probably a slam dunk for the prosecution. I don’t know how sentencing works in a situation like this. Regardless, I hope MB gets the help he needs and I hope everyone else stays far, far away from LK.

If he is NGI of attempted murder he is NGI on the gun charges as well. The judge explained that.

[Knights_Mom]

@RND

@Knights_Mom

What’s pathetic is the inability to follow logic.

How could MB ever defend himself if he cannot testify due to having no recollection of the event?

By default, his defense has to then be done in such a way that dependability of his recollection is not a prerequisite of the event and instead becomes part of the defense.

Following logic is indeed a recurring problem on these threads. It is a real shame that MB can’t remember anything after he got the gun out of the safe and drove to the house where LK and RG were. What many here don’t understand is that just because MB can’t remember anything after that, his lawyer can’t just make up magical stories that might have happened without presenting any evidence that those magical stories actually happened. The judge actually stated that early in the trial.

If MB’s lawyer was allowed to just make up stories, he could have presented a case where a unicorn with opposable thumbs stole the gun from MB, shot LK, and ran off never to be seen again. And who can argue that right? Just because no one has ever seen a unicorn with opposable thumbs doesn’t mean they don’t exist; that right there is reasonable doubt don’t you think?? Just like just because there is no evidence that LK didn’t shoot herself doesn’t mean that she didn’t do that. Both of those scenarios are equally absurd and no one in their right mind would consider either one. Except some here are actually crazy enough to believe the latter could be true.

There’s no reasoning with people like that so carry on with your crazy selves but don’t expect me to stop pointing out the crazy.

Magical stories? From the poster in full lock step with the LK who testified under oath that she lies all the time on social media?!

That’s hilarious!!

The only magical story here is that LKs fan base believe the frequency of posting things to support her train wreck of lies, will work.

We have seen LK in all her glory for what she is and what she wants.

And there simply is no defending it. EVER.

On the bright side, now EVERYONE in the horse world knows.

EVERYONE.

[SillyHorse]

@CurrentlyHorseless

On the renovations, MB was the property owner and principal who decided to skip getting permits,

It has been pointed out several times that it is the contractor, not the property owner, who is responsible for getting permits.