This was your response to a conversation about the reasonable doubt that @FitzE and I were discussing? I don’t know what you are talking about, but it’s apparently a dig at another poster.
This is why I have stopped posting on this thread until now and boom, here it is again, the inability to discuss a very serious subject without sniping at each other personally, like some nasty teenagers.
There is a difference between innocent & not guilty. And yes I know the jury considers only guilty, not guilty or ngi
Nothing to do with you at all.
How do you know he shot her?
Then please don’t quote my exchange about reasonable doubt with another poster and make such a comment.
Whatever.
@Djones here is a ink about building permits in a town in Alabama. Within the information is a link to the actual building permit. The building permit has a signature space for the owner or agent. Typically, for a contractor to be an agent, there is another form by which the owner makes the contractor the agent. I may be contained within the contract agreement to do the work.
https://florenceal.org/departments/building_department/permits.php
I mostly agree with everything you’ve said.
However, I am a little distracted by how the police handled the crime scene. It was a bit sloppy and I feel as though we still don’t know what exactly happened on that day, and never will. I’m not saying MB didn’t shoot anyone, I’m just saying that the order of events and how everything exactly went down, is still not so clear.
The jury isn’t exactly deciding if he’s innocent, per say, it’s whether he’s guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity. Even if he did commit the acts (shooting), do you believe that he was perfectly sane? How do you feel about the insanity defense?
I think it’s a tough one to prove, and I really feel as though the jury could go either way.
When I lived in the US, the contractor was the one to get the permits and I was told it is because they know how to do it and what is required and did not want to depend on a first-time home owner doing it and getting it wrong. It made sense to me.
Back to the case: what do you think about the strength of the evidence? Do you think it is sufficient to convict your loved one? Would you be sad but able to honestly say without doubt that the evidence proves your loved one is guilty and should go to prison?
I get the whole “loved one” angle, and it is a good point of discussion, but it’s down to the law, not emotions and/or love. You’ve got to put that aside. I actually can’t even say for certain how I would feel, because I’ve not come close to being in such a position. Naturally, from an emotional standpoint, I’d want a not guilty and for my loved one to receive proper mental health support. From a legal standpoint, it’s possible that my opinion would be different.
The closest I’ve come to such a situation was writing a letter to protest the release of a criminal from prison. Said criminal harmed a loved one of mine. Although, even from an objective standpoint, I would’ve voted for said criminal to rot in a cell regardless. He was eventually released and overdosed a month later, so that took care of itself, I guess. Plus the prison was so overwhelmed and over populated.
My close relatives as was I have all been raised to respect life and to use firearms responsibly. The only way someone would be shot would be if they were trying to break in our home.
If I found MB to be a distant relative then I believe the state has easily established means, motive, and opportunity and met the requirements to prove he shot LK twice and at RG once. Whether or not he is NGI or Guilty or guilty with diminished capacity would be the question. I was most impressed with Dr Schlesinger. I found Dr Simring to be careless and Dr Hasson to be not impressive. However, my problem with Dr Schlesinger is that I believe MB may not remember the event yet still be sane. Having watched testimony piecemeal-some of it several times and still finding bits I missed completely, I hesitate to pick one of the 3 in a public forum since I was unable to completely immerse myself as the jury did. To speculate on that seems cruel to me. So, yes, I believe he performed the acts as the state has said. As to the other, I’m waiting on the jury to see what they come up with.
Now I wait to see if what I expect will happen next happens.
Edited to add “at” before RG.
Once again, you don’t seem to grasp how this works.
If you post on a BB, anyone who sees the post may respond.
If you spew insults in every direction, people may respond accordingly.
So I’ll say yet again, bless your heart.
I agree with this which is why I’m using my own experience: people who loved the defendant but who were, nonetheless, able to say unequivocally: this evidence met the burden of proof and we love you but this evidence proves you guilty.
I’m not asking for an emotional answer at all. I’m asking for an answer from the standpoint of a party of interest.
Exactly! From a legal standpoint, is this evidence sufficient, robust enough for you to accept the conviction of your loved one? Not what you would want, but what you judge is just and correct based only on the evidence.
No doubt amnesia can and does happen. A juror may have had it happen to them. In this case they are talking about amnesia occurring
very specifically only during the period of committing the alleged crime. Perhaps the juror would not relate what happen to them to what the defense is claiming happen to MB. Saying all that I still can see the possibility of NGI.
Just speculating.
Thanks! Just so I get your meaning clearly b/c the answer was a bit long: if your close (not distant) loved one [spouse/parent/child] was the defendant in this exact case, would the evidence provided (see below) be sufficient for you to be convinced of their guilt?
I think you are saying, yes, you would find your own close loved one guilty based on this evidence as presented at trial (no speculation or any other info we know from these threads). Do I understand your answer correctly? Again, no wrong answers. The family in our case loved their family member but found the evidence overwhelming for a finding a guilt. Super sad but there it was.
ETA: not questioning anything related to insanity or diminished capacity, just does the evidence convince you your loved one shot this gun in this exact scenario.
Asked and answered.
Why so snippy with me? I have been nothing but civil, asking a question based upon my own experience in a court.
Also, it was not asked and answered. You changed an important aspect of my question (bolded below).
That’s why I asked to clarify b/c it was asked/changed/answered, not asked and answered.
The original question: are you satisfied with the evidence in order to convict your loved one like the family in our case was?
RG was not shot , yet you believe at this point in time that MB has met the" requirements" to prove that he shot LK twice and RG once.
I hope the jury is paying more attention.
Sorry. Typing error. I meant to say shot at RG.
Also since you added snark about me leaving out “at” what I said was the state met requirements not MB. It is the state’s burden to prove.
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