Barisone- New Thread

[BrendaJane]

the big problem of the horse world ‘oh, it’s so small, don’t burn bridges’

maybe it is time the bad actors get outed before they have decades worth of skeletons in their barns

[EmilyM]

She would have to wake up early and feed horses if she had them on her own farm. I think it would be unlikely the horses would have routine care.

[trubandloki]

@EmilyM

She would have to wake up early and feed horses if she had them on her own farm. I think it would be unlikely the horses would have routine care.

RG does all her work for her now, he would just have to add to his list of chores he does.

[MorganSercu]

She would also have to pay people for services rendered at the time. No sponging off of barn owners, paying later or trying to barter for Rob’s services.

[MHM]

@frugalannie

I ask this because I’m personally familiar with a case (civil, not criminal) where the lawyer for the aggrieved party said to the jury in summation “Look, we all know what happened here. You’ve been lied to and the liars should be taken to the town square, put in stocks and horse whipped. But we can’t do that.”

Just curious. Did that work?

[trubandloki]

@MorganSercu

She would also have to pay people for services rendered at the time. No sponging off of barn owners, paying later or trying to barter for Rob’s services.

How would she find anyone willing to work for her?

[Carol_O]

Former Olympic dressage athlete speaks out against former coach at trial

Also, what I cannot understand is why LK is not listed anywhere on the USEF SS page.

Oh, yeah, and now she’s an Olympian…

[Knights_Mom]

@Rowdy

Who cares what observers believe? What do observers have to do with this case? It doesn’t matter what Bilinkas believes. What matters is whether or not Bilinkas can prove a set of facts that mitigate the legal consequences of Barisone’s unlawful conduct. That’s all. Bilinkas wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t try to poke holes in the prosecution’s case through one of its witnesses. It’s Bilinkas’ job to vigorously defend his client. He doesn’t even have to believe his client is innocent. That’s not his job. It helps, but is not a requirement.

Who cares what observers are posting?

Then why are YOU posting and why are you trying so very hard to prove your point to “observers”?

You say you think Bilinkas has the responsibility to vigorously protect his client right after you’re posting about plea deals.

Just admit that you want him to be found guilty.

And then you won’t have to post anymore because “Who cares what observers are posting?”.

[libgrrl]

The Training Level video I saw on Youtube doesn’t look remotely like that of an Olympic athlete.

[MorganSercu]

I was thinking vets, farriers, etc. People who come in, do the job or deliver the product, are often paid by barn owners who then turn around and try to collect the money owed from the client(s).

If LauBert has to find and pay up front that may be a problem. Of course, they are not obligated to agree to take her on.

[trubandloki]

I am shocked that they included the photo of LK using her middle finger to point out her bullet wound. (In the article linked above.)

And yet another article written by someone who does not do any research. OMFG.

Someone should send all these publications screen shots of exactly what LK said to GJ.

[jaj]

Barisone declined the plea and the lesser charge, right?

[MorganSercu]

@trubandloki

I am shocked that they included the photo of LK using her middle finger to point out her bullet wound. (In the article linked above.)

I remember when the mayor of DC did that to push up her glasses at a press conference. She didn’t last long. Everyone got her message.

[Sticky_Situation]

The “New York Times Post.” Sounds legit.

[Carol_O]

I can’t imagine NYTPost has anything to do with NYT. I left a comment there, not that I would suggest others might want to do the same.

[Sticky_Situation]

I have a feeling it probably doesn’t even have anything to do with New York, and it may well not even be based in the US.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@ekat

The judge’s charging instructions are going to include the elements of the crime and the definition of reasonable doubt.

If I were Mr B, I’d hammer that line to reasonable doubt.

100%

If I was Mr. B… here’s how I would go at closing…,

First, emphasize that MB had a psychotic break, driven by the many events of July and August leading up to the day of the shooting, as well as his pre/existing mental fragility. The nature of the psychotic break was such that he had delusions of persecutions.

This is known. By a preponderance of the evidence shown at trial. Friends and coworkers testifying to MBs distressed state in the days leading up to the shooting, and the testimony of expert witnesses who thoroughly examined him.

Then… the defense needs to shift gears, and talk about why there is doubt concerning what happened at the farmhouse that day. MB clearly had his head beaten in. This also caused some amnesia. The camera was allegedly turned off in the 20 minutes prior to the shooting, and the police didn’t collect or look for footage for months. So… everyone has to rely upon the testimony of LK, RG, the ear witness, the 911 call, and the forensics. The forensics are limited… because of what the police decided NOT to do. So the jury is very much left with testimony from the key witnesses - which contradict one another on certain details.

Then walk through the contradictions. Of timing. Etc. And emphasize LKs story about how she ran around like a super human person, finding phones, letting out dogs, calling 911, participating in a brawl… all supposedly AFTER she was shot twice in the chest.

Because judging from the comments I’v seen on YouTube… a LOT of people are doubting that particular aspect of her story. That she was upright and running around for so long AFTER she was shot. People just don’t believe it. She took two bullets to the chest.

Mr. B has a lot of material to work with, that’s for sure.

I think I already asked this question upthread, but does anyone have any idea how long the summations might last? Or how long they normally last?

I’m just wondering at what point it gets to be too much information for the jury to take in right before they deliberate.

[iberianfan]

Some of the folks you are arguing with on this forum are crazy smart and very good attorneys. You come on here judging and second guessing Bilinkas, saying ineffective counsel, insane to not accept a plea, then you pick fights with others. Even if you watched every second of the trial, you cannot know everything. You were not in each sidebar or privy to all discussions, nor did you see all the discovery.
One of the first things one learns in law school is to know the facts before you judge.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

@McGurk

@Virginia_Horse_Mom and @Omgitsme,

Be careful with using “maroon” as an insult, it can be construed as racist and offensive.

(Yes, I know Bugs Bunny used it all the time)

Merriam Webster Definition of maroon (Entry 3 of 3) 1 : a person who is marooned . 2 capitalized : a Black person of the West Indies and Guiana in the 17th and 18th centuries who escaped slavery also : a descendant of such a person.

Underline mine

I had no idea. I always thought I was quoting Bugs Bunny.

Someone wants to write “moron” but writes “maroon” instead (oh, the joys of typing on a phone). And someone gets their knickers in a twist.

And this is not directed at you, or McGurk or VA Horse Mom or OMGitsme - just a general commentary about the sad fact that some people these days look for things to be offended by.

[Rowdy]

What does refusing the plea deal have to do with a legal defense at trial? I want the legal system to work. I want the judge to do his job and make sure the attorneys follow the rules in presenting their respective cases. Then it’s up to a jury. I’m glad the judge wants to include aggravated assault as a lesser included offense because I do believe LK and RG’s behavior toward Barisone are mitigating factors. However, I also believe that Barisone shot LK and shot at RG. That too was a crime. If Bilinkas calls more witnesses, that may shake my belief that Barisone committed a crime, then I will change my opinion. But my opinion doesn’t matter one bit. The jury has the final say for this trial. If they do find him guilty, there is always the sentencing phase. Compare the sentencing guidelines for attempted murder and aggravated assault.