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[Sdel]

I had to giggle during the prosecution’s opening when he described RG as fleeing into the laundry room.

How many times have we heard it described differently….

[KurPlexed]

@Unfforgettable

If somebody shows up with a gun, would you want to go after them and beat them with your cell phone or attack them? Or would you want to get away from the far more deadly firearm?

It worked for her the day before (when she backed him up into his truck and refused to let him leave) so after being served papers stating she had to leave on the 7th (per the agreement with daddy) AND after finding out her horses were no longer going to be shod, she was MAD! Way more mad then his previous visit and SHE snapped! She didn’t know he brought a gun this time (bc last time her badass self was enough for a man who was on the brink of breaking)

[Jealoushe]

I mean, I’m not a lawyer but I prefer to focus on the facts and evidence and when I post that’s what I’m referring to. If I use that in my replies to people it’s to explain my stance.

I don’t care if other people want to speculate and move away from facts, but that’s what I prefer myself. Why aren’t posters who feel this way allowed to participate the way they like to?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Jealoushe

I mean, I’m not a lawyer but I prefer to focus on the facts and evidence and when I post that’s what I’m referring to. If I use that in my replies to people it’s to explain my stance.

I don’t care if other people want to speculate and move away from facts, but that’s what I prefer myself. Why aren’t posters who feel this way allowed to participate the way they like to?

I probably did a poor job of articulating what I was trying to say.

I’m not arguing against talking about facts and evidence. I’m just saying that if someone makes a post that says something like:

“We have learned about fact 1-9 in relation to LK, RG, MB and this entire situation. And gosh, it seems so overwhelming like a lot of parties behaved horribly. And gosh, it really seems like this situation is a mess all around, and there is a ton of doubt about what really happened that day. I hope MB doesn’t go to jail for 30 years, given these circumstances.”

And then someone else responds:

“You are ignorant of the legal process. Only fact 1, 7, and 8 matter. Those are the only ones admitted into evidence. So it doesn’t matter what outsiders think or feel or know. It doesn’t even matter how the jury feels. Given only fact 1, 7 and 8, he’s totally guilty. It’s silly to argue otherwise.”

Well… the point is that the two different people are arguing slightly different things. And it’s just my impression that some of the people making points about the legal technicalities are just being a little over the top when interacting with other posters.

Just my opinion. People are free to discuss whatever they want, however they want. Of course.

[trafalgar]

Was there testimony that her horses were not being shot anymore? Who and why? Also I wonder why Justin Harding did not testify.

[Joanne]

In his testimony, Dr. Schlesinger said that MB shot LK. Not that MB told him that.

[Joanne]

@trafalgar

Also I wonder why Justin Harding did not testify.

Justin Harden testified on day 2.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Stachehat as I think of him testified to a number of things as facts that weren’t, they were just suppositions he made like the ones about LK being bright and creative. He should be given no weight.

[Joanne]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

Stachehat as I think of him testified to a number of things as facts that weren’t, they were just suppositions he made like the ones about LK being bright and creative. He should be given no weight.

He should be given no weight. But the jury might take it as a fact coming from a “doctor.”

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

Stachehat

Brilliant.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

I’m hoping Mr Bs cross exam and then the defenses sur rebuttal cleared up any questions the jury may have had about Stachehats testimony.

[BrendaJane]

the only way she can be one

[SillyHorse]

@Rowdy

Couldn’t the same logic be applied more convincingly to LK & RG given that Barisone showed up with a gun? If they felt that they were in imminent danger, couldn’t that justify beating him?

“Finish the bastard.”

[cdalt]

I might be mistaken about the timing but I thought that the incident where LK backed MB up all the way to his truck and then refused to let him leave was on July 18th or thereabout. I may be confused about this but would like to know if anyone else remembers the date of that confrontation.

[eggbutt]

@Angela_Freda

@MHM

And this was just moments before the first cop showed up on the scene, so obviously MB was already on the ground, underneath RG

This is kinda my point about the 911 call.
MB is already on the ground, under RG, and LK is shot.
We don’t hear LK much, except in the background, after she gives the phone to RG when RG says “hello? Hello?”

We don’t know what happened before the start of this call.
But we do know what happened from the start of that call until Heymer arrives (at the end of the call or the end of the portion of the call played in court) and of course after Heymer arrived.
MB was not beaten, his arm broken/dislocated after Heymer arrives, which is the end of the portion of the call played in court.

We don’t hear anything indicating the beating MB received, such as him screaming, or otherwise indicating vocal pain responses to that beating, broken arm, etc.
I mean that arm had to hurt, right? It was dislocated and broken, correct? That would hurt. He would scream or otherwise vocally respond, right?
That suggests either he’s incoherent [altered mental state], unconscious, or all that beating already happened.

Ok, rereading my notes, yikes!, I left out something [indicated in bold, below]
RG says " hello? Hello? A man, he came here with a F’in gun, I have him detained right now"*

When RG yells to get the “dog in the house now”, who is he telling to get the dog inside? LK?
I mean, has to be right? So is she still up at that point, moving around?
Did he not realise she had been shot?
He can’t see the blood she’s reporting she’s losing lots of?
I mean it’s her chest, how come he can’t see the blood she’s losing from this two gun shots to her chest?
Maybe she thought she was losing alot of blood because so much was on her hands?
But maybe it was on her hands from the beating she gave MB and not her own GSW which according to everyone bled surprisingly little [externally]?

In which case they clearly beat him before the call, as it’s the third thing she mentions, that she is losing alot of blood.

@MHM review the edits I made to this…

• I’m editing the doc cause clearly I can not read my handwriting…
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Well, it didn’t take the police 7 minutes to get there (amount of time LK & RG beat Michael to pulp!!)!!!

[MHM]

@eggbutt

Well, it didn’t take the police 7 minutes to get there (amount of time LK & RG beat Michael to pulp!!)!!!

No, I believe the first cop on the scene said he was only a mile or so away when he got the call, and that it only took him a minute or two to get there, if that.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

The third thing LK says, the third section that is her speaking, she says she is losing alot of blood. This is well before he tells her to get the dog in the house.

And the officer testified to there being very little blood from her wounds and there was almost none visible of her shirt and hoodie…

Btw…who wears a hoodie in August? Was it that cold at that point in NJ? Or did it have other purposes?

She is ALWAYS cold.

[MHM]

@cdalt

I might be mistaken about the timing but I thought that the incident where LK backed MB up all the way to his truck and then refused to let him leave was on July 18th or thereabout. I may be confused about this but would like to know if anyone else remembers the date of that confrontation.

I don’t know if it was as early as July 18th, but I believe it was not the day before August 7th. Maybe the previous week?

I don’t recall off the top of my head if the date was ever specified.

[Omgitsme]

My personal favorite insult is calling people pigeons.

[Impractical_Horsewoman]

I’m proudly from NJ.

I honestly haven’t followed the case closely enough as a juror or judge would to have to, to make a decision on such a complex chain of events or the mental heath issues at play here. (How is that for a reasonable, boring NJ person?) It’s possible for a crime to have been committed, even though the victim may have been a terrible and badly behaved person. Or not, given the difficulty of parsing the phone call.

But I do hope when it’s all over, selfishly, there is a good true crime podcast on it, and whoever writes the schlocky true crime novel on it all (if those are still a thing) knows something about dressage. And that there’s diagrams, bios, and a full breakdown of every hour. Then perhaps I can make a better judgement.