Barisone- New Thread

[DownYonder]

@trafalgar

Was there testimony that her horses were not being shot anymore? Who and why? Also I wonder why Justin Harding did not testify.

I don’t think there was any testimony at all about her horses being shot.

[SillyHorse]

@Impractical_Horsewoman

But I do hope when it’s all over, selfishly, there is a good true crime podcast on it, and whoever writes the schlocky true crime novel on it all (if those are still a thing) knows something about dressage. And that there’s diagrams, bios, and a full breakdown of every hour.

Unfortunately, Ann Rule died in 2015. This would have been right up her alley.

[OntheFnce]

@Sdel

I had to giggle during the prosecution’s opening when he described RG as fleeing into the laundry room.

How many times have we heard it described differently….

I heard he does do quite a bit of laundry.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I thought ear witness, LK and RG were consistent on the basic sequence of events in which ED called RG, asked to speak LK, RG handed LK the phone, LK says Michael is here, and she is shot while on the phone.

LK and RG differed in some details. It was a traumatic event for them as well as MB, right? When MB claims to he has no recall of the “incident”, you believe him, but you expect LK and RG to have perfect recall of the exact timing of the exact steps they took on the porch/patio? Of course you do.

Doesn’t matter what I think.

I hope Barisone gets a just verdict from the jury.

I’m predicting the verdict will be guilty of one count of possession of a weapon for an illegal purpose and either guilty or NGI on one count of attempted murder.

I’ve said before and agree now that LK, RG, and the ear witness all agreed on the fundamentals. It all worked for one basic story. LK’s differences could easily be understood by nearly dying -50% blood loss, flat line, oxygen deprivation, two surgeries (one to stop the bleeders leaving a large scar under her arm from front to back) and one to allow her intestines more room from sweeping so she could breathe, pain meds, coma, etc.

[rothmpp]

@MHM

I have no explanation at all for the Mustache appearance. None. There were so many aspects of that testimony that seemed counterproductive to the prosecution to me.

I’m sure the prosecution used Mustache as he obviously likes to put on a show, and with a problematic (for the prosecution) diagnosis from a psychiatrist that the prosecutor has used before, he was trying a bit of slight of hand.

Color me jaded, but when Mustache has his very own IMDB page, I’m going to think he cares more about his next TV interview/show/book deal than being a expert witness.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK and RG differed in some details. It was a traumatic event for them as well as MB, right? When MB claims to he has no recall of the “incident”, you believe him, but you expect LK and RG to have perfect recall of the exact timing of the exact steps they took on the porch/patio?

Well, of those three people, only one of them was beaten over the head and choked to the point of unconsciousness. Which could easily result in short-term memory loss, as many of us know from first hand experience due to head injuries sustained around horses.

So there’s that.

Only one was shot twice and flatlined so there’s that.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Impractical_Horsewoman

I’m proudly from NJ.

I honestly haven’t followed the case closely enough as a juror or judge would to have to, to make a decision on such a complex chain of events or the mental heath issues at play here. (How is that for a reasonable, boring NJ person?)

I fully admit, I am being unfair to half of the state. At least. I think my negative experiences on the Jersey Turnpike, visits involving the Jersey in-laws, and exactly one visit to the Jersey shore broke my slightly southern brain

I hope you get to enjoy living in one of the nice parts of the state, that my husband continues reminding me do exist.

[rothmpp]

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have testified. There is plenty he could have testified about even if he was claiming he didn’t recall anything for x hours.

I may be wrong - the lawyers here can correct me if so - but I think it is unusual for a defendant to take the stand in a criminal trial. It’s the prosecution’s job to prove the defendant guilty, not the defendant’s job to prove themselves innocent.

[hut-ho78]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes, and only one of them lost consciousness due to having lost half her blood volume and spent days in a medically induced coma, and weeks on pain meds.

Like Schlesinger, I find it suspicious that MBs amnesia happens to coincide with the period of his criminal activity.

MB could have testified. There is plenty he could have testified about even if he was claiming he didn’t recall anything for x hours.

Aside from how you would vote in terms of the verdict, what is your prediction as to how the jury will vote?

Just noting… she has admitted on the stand that she has an opioid addiction issue spanning years and years, and is on Suboxone all the time. It’s a regular prescription for her. So she has an opioid tolerance that is completely different than that of someone else who doesn’t use those medications regularly. The weeks of pain meds post surgery did not affect her the same way they might have someone else. That’s just how opioids work in people who habitually use them vs. people who don’t.

I would think that the anesthesia involved in her immediate surgery, as well as the medically induced coma WOULD have impacted her memory. Anesthesia is weird. And the longer you stay under, the greater the impact on your cognitive perception of things. And memory.

Of all the things that make LKs recollections of the day of the shooting unreliable, the thing I find most persuasive is the considerable anesthesia she experienced shortly after the shooting.

Last thing… MB had a documented history of 8-12 concussions over the course of his life. Including a skull fracture at age 8. It was documented at the hospital immediately after the shooting, that MB had been beaten about his head. In fact, RG and LKs testimony of events concurs with that medical evidence. In fact, they even said he lost consciousness during part of the struggle when being beaten about the head. MBs description of losing memory with respect to the immediate timeframe right around his head trauma that day? It’s completely consistent with amnesia related to concussions… most especially in people who have an extensive history of prior concussions.

I find it odd that people are choosing THAT aspect of MB to doubt. I could understand doubting the degree of persecutory delusional disorder… and someone thinking that it just didn’t quite reach to a level that made him not responsible for his actions. But why focus on his amnesia, and doubt that? There’s overwhelming evidence that is very likely real.

That and LK flatlining after bleeding out 50% of her blood.

While I believe MB may have no memory of the specific event, the examples given by the various posters who lost memory both support and not support a specific short term memory loss. I think his prior concussions and aging may have a lot more to do with his consecutive spectacularly bad decisions into the current situation.

[Fat_Dinah]

The defendant cannot be compelled to testify, and the jury is instructed to draw no inference as to whether the defendant does or does not t estify.
Rittenhouse did testify, and I think it was compelling testimony.
If Baris one did testify, he could offer a different scenario of the shooting. Without that, as a juror, I would accept the testi mony given by LK, RG and ED.
On the blood, most of it would be internal at first. And the exit wounds were on the back so not visible facing her.

[Angela_Freda]

@Rowdy

Couldn’t the same logic be applied more convincingly to LK & RG given that Barisone showed up with a gun? If they felt that they were in imminent danger, couldn’t that justify beating him?

hmmm… who was it who went after MB previously?
And has a history of doing that?

[hut-ho78]

@trafalgar

Was there testimony that her horses were not being shot anymore? Who and why? Also I wonder why Justin Harding did not testify.

MB stopped LK’s horses from being shod and RG had words with the farrier. JH did testify early on. Did a good job painting the tension of the place.

[hut-ho78]

@Joanne

In his testimony, Dr. Schlesinger said that MB shot LK. Not that MB told him that.

He did say MB told him that he, MB, got the gun out of the safe.

[eggbutt]

As a victim of LK I will freely admit extreme bias in this case. Other than Barisone being acquitted Monday afternoon/Tuesday morning, I am thrilled the world sees these people for what they are.

[Sdel]

@Fat_Dinah

On the blood, most of it would be internal at first. And the exit wounds were on the back so not visible facing her.

Didn’t she say here that idea that she was shot didn’t become real to RG until she was crouched over MB’s head, beating him with her cell phone, while RG held him down and could see her “bloody exit wounds”….

He testified quite differently than that…and it paints a very interesting picture of what could have happened that fit with the facts of bullet trajectory….

[hut-ho78]

@SillyHorse

@Rowdy

Couldn’t the same logic be applied more convincingly to LK & RG given that Barisone showed up with a gun? If they felt that they were in imminent danger, couldn’t that justify beating him?

“Finish the bastard.”

“Finish the bastard” words.

Showing up with gun is an action. Shooting gun 2-3 times is an action.

[Rowdy]

You didn’t answer the question posed. You don’t have to, though.

[KarenK]

@Jealoushe

and with the text handlebars read also about how he felt MHG felt about him

And WHY did he feel the need to even mention that…beyond a LOW BLOW!! Sickening!

[Dragonfly90]

@MHM

@Justice_for_Horses

If there is a predominantly Male jury I dont think they will have the pity for the defendant that most females might.

Really? I think if any of the male jury members ever had a crazy ex girlfriend, it might go the other way.

We shall see.

But they might also think they managed the ex without attempting to murder her. They might see him as weak, that he let a woman drive him to ruining his life. Hopefully, the jurors will make a just decision based on the evidence, not their feelings.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@hut-ho78

MB stopped LK’s horses from being shod and RG had words with the farrier. JH did testify early on. Did a good job painting the tension of the place.

I don’t remember any testimony about exactly why the farrier wouldn’t shoe LK’s horses that day.

Was there specific testimony that it was an instruction from MB? Or was it part of total board package, that was in contention at that point? Or was it an issue with respect to the farrier himself? Farriers can be testy… and there was a lot of tension at the farm.