No. That should never be assumed accurate or obvious.
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Iâd assume, if I wasnât trained not to, that the uninjured, un-bloodied person was the shooter.
However, no officer should assume.
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Heymer testified he was working about 1.5 miles away when an active shooter call came in for 411 West Mill Rd. Thatâs it. While in route the call was escalated to full out get there now status. He arrived basically blind as to what he was walking into. He was asked to describe the scene from his arrival, and he did. He never mentioned any names or number of people had been provided by dispatch.
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OK. The officer shows up and asks âWhoâs the shooter?â RG says âThis guyâ, indicating Barisone. Did Barisone contradict RG in any way, for
example saying, âNo, it wasnât me, heâs the shooterâ? Do you think it is unreasonable for the cop to go with RGs identification of the shooter if the other person (other than the victim) fails to contradict RGs statement?
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Yes. Absolutely. Completely unreasonable, unsmart, and contrary to police practices.
For all he knows the unresponsive person is deaf.
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It has been stated repeatedly Barisone was incoherent.
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He was also asked if he recognized anyone or the voice from the previous incidents and he said no. He also said the two males were âlater identifiedâ. He didnât testify to asking anyoneâs name, and he didnât testify that anyone identified who they were. He also specifically testified that MB made no attempt to answer him or interact and was âjust thereâ and incoherent so he certainly couldnât independently confirm his identity.
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Which, when arriving on scene to multiple potentially injured parties, is predictableâŠthat someone may be just returning to consciousness, knocked out, dazed, concussed, ⊠A myriad of predictable reasons someone might not respond
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If the cop did not ask for the names of all three people within 2 minutes of being there, then I agree thatâs inexcusable.
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Action like Heymerâs, or rather in-action, is how police are killed. Period.
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And how cases end up falling apart
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If you had been reading, you would know. It was in my notes. I said it again in my last post confirming eggbuttâs statements.
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His testimony indicated he didnât ask who anyone was.
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He wasnât completely unresponsive. He was talking, but never said âRG was the shooterâ, or âIt wasnât meâ. Apparently.
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The officer testified that he wasnât responsive when he asked who the shooter was. Again, he testified he was incoherent and âblankâ the entire time he was on scene. He was only âtalkingâ blankly and not in response to anything the 2-3 times he said he had a good life after medics had arrived on scene and were treating him. The judge himself after all the cross/redirect asked the officer what he meant by âincoherentâ and was told that he was âblankâ, âjust thereâ, and completely docile. Again, refer back to my notesâŠâŠor do you think Iâm lying in them?
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Well, thereâs now 4 of us here who watched the hearing and heard the same thing.
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OK. That strikes me as really odd. If youâre responding to a 911 call in which the caller says she has been shot by a guy named Michael Barisone, the first thing I would do is find out which of the two men on the ground is Michael Barisone.
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Okay, letâs look at âassumptionsââŠ
Youâve never seen any of these people, you arrive on the scene before anyone else, you approach and find a woman bleeding on the ground, a man face down bloodied, and another man without apparent injury on top of the man on the ground. So, who do you think each person is? Or, do you follow your training and secure EVERYONE until additional help arrives to sort things out? Please donât be naive. Several of us have posted what Heymer testified to. Perhaps LK can get the transcripts as she said last night and share them with everyone since we 4 didnât apparently hear the testimony correctly. LK asked me last night if I had hearing issues because her family heard apparently different testimony. Go figure.
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I am still confused by the random other person that is mentioned up thread that the officer saw walking away when they pulled in.
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Remember in the way back beginning it was mentioned a neighbor had also called 911? That may have been that neighbor. I was surprised neither attorney followed up with a question, but perhaps it was irrelevant.
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