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[eggbutt]

@AnnaKarena92

I’m simply wondering about the level of obsession you have with LK’S current whereabouts and training relationships

What? Where have I been obsessed about her whereabouts and training relationships. I posted paraphrasing from her own posts how controlling her personality is.

[AnnaKarena92]

Your post from earlier today along with your general behavior throughout the threads. Why do you care if she is a control freak about her horses (not saying that she is)? Why do you care if she rents an apartment or lives in her house, which I understand was needing remodeling?

ETA: I’m not talking about your obvious dislike of Lauren, you have the absolute right to your feelings.

[eggbutt]

If you’ve read the threads you will see I am no more or less “antagonistic” toward Lala than several others, but I get the honor of being the so called president of the murderers club or whatever she called it because SHE has a vendetta with ME. It’s all good. I can take the heat and follow COTH rules

[CanteringCarrot]

@eggbutt

It’s a sense of entitlement, arrogance and inability to comprehend social order and private relationships. It’s an ingrained need to control everything.

As a minor example, LK recently purchased a home “ten minutes” from the facility she boards her horses. I’m sure she pays a pretty penny at this facility for the care she expects and demands and deserves. Yet, she also rents an apartment at the facility so she can do her own night check and blanketing needs. Is that control or obsession? IDK.

The last thing I’m about to do is rag on someone that is practicing good horse care. So what if she wants to do a night check? So what if she does the blanketing (I do this too)? My horse is on full board but I’m still there every day and do little extras. We’re all horse obsessed in some way.

An apartment at the stable when I live 10 minutes away isn’t necessary for me at all, but if it is for her then

[AnnaKarena92]

Oh, that part is true. And I’m not asking out that. You seem to be the only one that is really hanging on, after 2 plus years, to your interest in where she is living and what she is doing. Hence my curiosity being directed at you.

I am aware that there was intense scrutiny early in the threads from most participants over the topic of medals, her competition history, riding ability, etc.

[eggbutt]

I don’t care where she lives as long as it isn’t on any property I own

And, no, I will not provide you with a list of the current posters who have been posting on the various threads for over two years. Simply by reading the threads will provide you with familiar names.

[AnnaKarena92]

Lol I’m not sure why you are being so caustic with me. I’m being polite. However, since you are deflecting and, basically, refusing to answer my question…I’ll let it go and I will make my own assumptions based on my knowledge of the situation.

[MHM]

@AnnaKarena92

I am aware that there was intense scrutiny early in the threads from most participants over the topic of medals, her competition history, riding ability, etc.

I don’t remember it that way at all.

There may have been a few people who went down that rabbit hole. But I think “most participants” were interested in the events leading up to that day, and trying to figure out how such a crazy thing could have happened. Which is still the case to this day.

[AnnaKarena92]

Perhaps it just seemed like most participants because they were the most vocal. I didn’t make a spreadsheet!

[eggbutt]

Caustic? How? I’ve answered your questions as far as I’m going to.

Perhaps I also represent “others” who don’t actually post, or perhaps this is my guilty pleasure, but again, why I post is no one’s concern. As Lala would say, it will all come out later.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Jealoushe

They won’t because their goal is clearly to drive LK to the point she acts out and they can say “see she’s a crazy b!”.

I seriously do not get the obsession. These posters obviously have some sort of personal vendetta.

They can spew all the hate they want, weeks before Christmas too, but at the end of the day their little hero they worship won’t be walking out of that jail. Their personalities and nasty true selves are out here for everyone to see too.

Hell, he doesn’t even want to leave jail! He knows what he did and so do they but they won’t ever admit their hero acted like a huge POS that day will they.

I agree with some of this. Does anyone really worship MB though? You really think so?

Also, I don’t get what Christmas has to do with it but it’s sort of funny to me. Not necessarily in this context but not everyone celebrates Christmas or gives a fig. It’s just interesting when someone goes “and x days/weeks before Christmas!” And “x days/weeks after Christmas!” Like if I park somewhere and my meter runs out…“how can you give me a ticket, it’s weeks before Christmas!” “How can anyone criticize me, it’s weeks before Christmas!” OK, sort of a tangent, I know, just thought it was an odd thing to say.

As for MB staying in jail. If that’s where he belongs (and it looks so), then so be it. I, personally, don’t expect him to just walk out freely.

[AnnaKarena92]

Again, I’m not questioning your right or reason for posting. It’s a public forum.

If you do “represent others”, please make sure your posts reflect their best interests and not your own “guilty pleasure”. It’s a complicated legal world out there.

[eggbutt]

@AnnaKarena92

Again, I’m not questioning your right or reason for posting. It’s a public forum.

If you do “represent others”, please make sure your posts reflect their best interests and not your own “guilty pleasure”. It’s a complicated legal world out there.

And here we go again. I’m done.

For the life of me it would be so nice to have a sarcasm emoji since so many can’t grasp the concept.

[BrendaJane]

Enter the Dragon
I mean, building inspector.

[AnnaKarena92]

Eggbutt, I’m not attacking you. I was curious why you follow Lauren so closely. You don’t want to answer, cool. Whatever.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@Ambitious_Kate

@eggbutt

He actually willingly gave information others had been questioning, such as the lawyers working out when LK would be moving out.

I missed this can you elaborate?

From various IM posts in the “Updated Barisone…” thread. The first two I found interesting as I searched for the one in question.

Inigo-montoyaGreenie

Nov 11
#2177

Obviously, I can read whatever LK has put on FB but I’m not interested in that cause it’s irrelevant to the matter. I am aware that the girlfriend complained to SafeSport about all LK’s harassing FB posts and they read them and basically told LK…uh… you really should stop posting on social media. They were not impressed.

#2287
The shooting took place on 8/7 at around 2pm. The police had 6 hours of daylight to do evidence gathering… but there was still police tape when RG and JK returned a few days later. The owners of the property also wanted entry to start cleaning up the place…broken glass, etc.
Both parties called the police and were told the work was done there (it had been a few days) and were give permission to do whatever they needed to do.

#2477
• And when lawyers did get involved (amicably and professionally) and MB’s lawyer sent LK a letter saying you need to leave by xx/xx/xxxx, MB, for whatever reason. decided he had to kill LK and RG even before the date his own lawyer had asked them to move.

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As I read through his posts, one thing stuck out to me - almost every time he references MHG, he calls her the “much younger girlfriend”. He is very focused on the age difference between MB and MHG. Funny how age effects some people.

Thank you for reposting these statements by IM, all of which I find believable, and useful in making sense of what happened.

The key one is #2477. This dovetails with the detailed timeline of events provided by Barisone’s lawyers in the dismissed civil case. IIRC, Barisone stated that the demand to vacate had been made the day he gave the speech in the police station. That would have been Aug 5, I think.

Since the civil lawsuit was drafted by Barisone’s lawyers, it seems safe to assume that if there was a demand to vacate made prior to Aug 5, it would have been noted in the timeline.

IM has said that lawyers for both sides were working on an agreement on LK moving out. If the date for them to vacate was Sept 5 or later, there would be no need for negotiations - Barisone or his lawyers could demand they vacate on Sept 5 (or later) unilaterally.

So I conclude that the lawyers for both sides had negotiated an agreement that LK move out prior to Sept 5, perhaps Aug 15 or Aug 21. Such a date would be sooner than she would have left for Wellington in the absence of all the mega drama, but would give her a couple of weeks to find a suitable place for herself and her horses.

The major question, to a lot of people, is why LK did not leave (prior to Aug 7) given all the tension. I think this scenario goes a long way to answering that question. When things got bad, she apparently negotiated with Barisone to leave well before she otherwise would have, and probably sooner than the 30 days notice that she could have insisted on. If, as IM has stated, she had agreed through her lawyers to leave by Aug 21, for example, why would she flee in a panic on Aug 6?

IM has also stated that lawyers for Sweetgrass acknowledged that they owed RG for the renovations, which raised the question of why Sweetgrass would acknowledge the debt, given that RG was an unlicensed contractor and not in a good position should they, or Barisone, refuse to pay. If lawyers for all parties, including Sweetgrass, were negotiating to get them to leave prior to the 30 days, and the unpaid renovations was sticking point, SGF acknowledging the debt could have been part of the negotiation.

This is speculation, of course, but I think it fits with everything both IM and Barisone’s civil lawyers have said.

IMs post # 2287 also addresses the controversy about RG and JK supposedly “crossing police tape” to enter the house “the next day”. According to MHGs 911 call the next day. RG and JK were at the barn to check on and care for the horses. According to IM, it was several days later, after police had granted permission, that RG and/or JK entered the house to collect personal items.

Thanks again for reposting those posts, Eggbutt.

Unless there was a previous verbal request to vacate which could, in theory, cause the date to be earlier. When/If a petition to vacate is filed in court (at that time, Covid changed it) it specifically asks how notice was given. If ‘verbal’ is chosen the date is required. If ‘written’ is chosen, a copy which reads the date to vacate is included in the filing. It is possible both were done, so don’t make Sept 5 vacate date an absolute.

My point was that according to Barisone’s own lawyers, there is no mention of a demand or request to vacate, either written or oral, prior to the specific mention of a demand to vacate given on Aug 5.

My inference is that if there had been any request or demand to vacate issued (orally or in writing) prior to Aug 5, Barisone’s lawyers would have mentioned it in their extensive timeline.

My interpretation is that neither Barisone nor his lawyers made a vacate demand or request, verbally or in writing, prior to Aug 5.

If you want to believe that a verbal demand was made on July 1 that they vacate by Aug 1, and Barisone’s lawyers did not follow that up with filing eviction papers or make note of the earlier demand to vacate in the civil suit, that’s cool.

[BrendaJane]

If MB deserves jail is still a matter of contension as his trial has not happened yet.

as to barn apartments, I see your horse care and raise you a nightmare boarder.

Where LK resides is of little consequence for us, only to the person who has legal dealings with her and is trying to get her served with papers.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@Ambitious_Kate

@eggbutt

He actually willingly gave information others had been questioning, such as the lawyers working out when LK would be moving out.

I missed this can you elaborate?

From various IM posts in the “Updated Barisone…” thread. The first two I found interesting as I searched for the one in question.

Inigo-montoyaGreenie

Nov 11
#2177

Obviously, I can read whatever LK has put on FB but I’m not interested in that cause it’s irrelevant to the matter. I am aware that the girlfriend complained to SafeSport about all LK’s harassing FB posts and they read them and basically told LK…uh… you really should stop posting on social media. They were not impressed.

#2287
The shooting took place on 8/7 at around 2pm. The police had 6 hours of daylight to do evidence gathering… but there was still police tape when RG and JK returned a few days later. The owners of the property also wanted entry to start cleaning up the place…broken glass, etc.
Both parties called the police and were told the work was done there (it had been a few days) and were give permission to do whatever they needed to do.

#2477
• And when lawyers did get involved (amicably and professionally) and MB’s lawyer sent LK a letter saying you need to leave by xx/xx/xxxx, MB, for whatever reason. decided he had to kill LK and RG even before the date his own lawyer had asked them to move.

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As I read through his posts, one thing stuck out to me - almost every time he references MHG, he calls her the “much younger girlfriend”. He is very focused on the age difference between MB and MHG. Funny how age effects some people.

Thank you for reposting these statements by IM, all of which I find believable, and useful in making sense of what happened.

The key one is #2477. This dovetails with the detailed timeline of events provided by Barisone’s lawyers in the dismissed civil case. IIRC, Barisone stated that the demand to vacate had been made the day he gave the speech in the police station. That would have been Aug 5, I think.

Since the civil lawsuit was drafted by Barisone’s lawyers, it seems safe to assume that if there was a demand to vacate made prior to Aug 5, it would have been noted in the timeline.

*emphasized textSo as IM has said that lawyers for both sides were working on an agreement on LK moving out. If the date for them to vacate was Sept 5 or later, there would be no need for negotiations - Barisone or his lawyers could demand they vacate on Sept 5 (or later) unilaterally. strong text

So I conclude that the lawyers for both sides had negotiated an agreement that LK move out prior to Sept 5, perhaps Aug 15 or Aug 21. Such a date would be sooner than she would have left for Wellington in the absence of all the mega drama, but would give her a couple of weeks to find a suitable place for herself and her horses.

The major question, to a lot of people, is why LK did not leave (prior to Aug 7) given all the tension. I think this scenario goes a long way to answering that question. When things got bad, she apparently negotiated with Barisone to leave well before she otherwise would have, and probably sooner than the 30 days notice that she could have insisted on. If, as IM has stated, she had agreed through her lawyers to leave by Aug 21, for example, why would she flee in a panic on Aug 6?

IM has also stated that lawyers for Sweetgrass acknowledged that they owed RG for the renovations, which raised the question of why Sweetgrass would acknowledge the debt, given that RG was an unlicensed contractor and not in a good position should they, or Barisone, refuse to pay. If lawyers for all parties, including Sweetgrass, were negotiating to get them to leave prior to the 30 days, and the unpaid renovations was sticking point, SGF acknowledging the debt could have been part of the negotiation.

This is speculation, of course, but I think it fits with everything both IM and Barisone’s civil lawyers have said.

IMs post # 2287 also addresses the controversy about RG and JK supposedly “crossing police tape” to enter the house “the next day”. According to MHGs 911 call the next day. RG and JK were at the barn to check on and care for the horses. According to IM, it was several days later, after police had granted permission, that RG and/or JK entered the house to collect personal items.

Thanks again for reposting those posts, Eggbutt.

Unless there was a previous verbal request to vacate which could, in theory, cause the date to be earlier. When/If a petition to vacate is filed in court (at that time, Covid changed it) it specifically asks how notice was given. If ‘verbal’ is chosen the date is required. If ‘written’ is chosen, a copy which reads the date to vacate is included in the filing. It is possible both were done, so don’t make Sept 5 vacate date an absolute.

My point was that according to Barisone’s own lawyers, there is no mention of a demand or request to vacate, either written or oral, prior to the specific mention of a demand to vacate given on Aug 5.

My inference is that if there had been any request or demand to vacate issued (orally or in writing) prior to Aug 5, Barisone’s lawyers would have mentioned it in their extensive timeline.

My interpretation is that neither Barisone nor his lawyers made a vacate demand or request, verbally or in writing, prior to Aug 5.

If you want to believe that a verbal demand was made on July 1 that they vacate by Aug 1, and Barisone’s lawyers did not follow that up with filing eviction papers or make note of the earlier demand to vacate in the civil suit, that’s cool.

I’m neither suggesting nor inferring anything. I’m just explaining how these things work for accuracy’s sake. I personally don’t care if notice was given Aug 5 or any other date. And certainly if MBs attorneys said that it was Aug 5 then it’s most likely that is the relevant date.

I just want to include all possible information and detail. Nothing more. No bias, just info like I would have given a caller were I working still.

[eggbutt]

@AnnaKarena92

Eggbutt, I’m not attacking you. I was curious why you follow Lauren so closely. You don’t want to answer, cool. Whatever.

I don’t follow HER, I follow MB because I am interested in how a man at the top of his career and life got so sucked in to this disaster. If you notice, have I ever titled a thread anything about Kanarek? Nope, it’s all about MB, interest in his defense, common friends, concern for the truth to actually be revealed in the trial. Period. LK is simply the instigator IMO on these threads.

[AnnaKarena92]

I’m pretty sure Michael isn’t posting Lauren’s living arrangements or anything else.

I agree with you 100% that the truth, whatever it is, should come out in trial.