Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[Jealoushe]

@Smthn_Like_Olivia

Totally off topic, but… man, I envy those of you that get to ride multiple horses a day.

I am very very lucky that my parents have allowed me to move my horses to their private farm, otherwise I would be not be riding until at least May unless trailering out. It means up at 5 every day to go take care of them, but totally worth it.

[Jealoushe]

@Dragonfly90

Seriously? There is a group on here that PM each other to discuss people that disagree with them and how vile LK is?

but they don’t care about her at all right :lol:

[Mersidoats]

@skydy

That’s been done. It’s Python philosophy time!

Raise your glass! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9SqQNgDrgg

Here I am in my nerdy corner thinking this was about whether list comprehension or recursion is more Pythonic.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@Dragonfly90

Seriously? There is a group on here that PM each other to discuss people that disagree with them and how vile LK is?

Apparently you and @Jealoushe need more reading comprehension classes. Let me share the full quote with you: As far as “being accused of being her alter”, if the shoe fits. Posters are still PMing each other wondering this exact thing. As you can see, those privately asking questions are about @YankeeDuchess identity, NOT about how vile LK is. She does that well enough all by herself in her posts.

I love how you people pick apart a post and twist it to match what you want to attack.

[Jealoushe]

@GreenWithEnvy

Apparently you and @Jealoushe need more reading comprehension classes. Let me share the full quote with you: As far as “being accused of being her alter”, if the shoe fits. Posters are still PMing each other wondering this exact thing. As you can see, those privately asking questions are about @YankeeDuchess identity, NOT about how vile LK is. She does that well enough all by herself in her posts.

I love how you people pick apart a post and twist it to match what you want to attack.

I can read just fine, regardless of what you said, you made an account to post on MB and LK threads only. Seems a bit obsessed.

[ThreeFigs]

OK, I’m lost. Who’s GEE?

[FatDinah]

Something completely different.
I watched a video of the release/bail hearing. In it, the judge asked if there was a lease agreement. Through his attorney, Barisone said there was no written lease, only a verbal one that they could stay there with her horses in training.
So, does any of the tenant/landlord laws apply? Or, if Barisone ended the training, does that mean housing is ended? Maybe that is what the papers to be signed were, a notice that he was no longer training the horses so they had to vacate?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@Jealoushe

I can read just fine, regardless of what you said, you made an account to post on MB and LK threads only. Seems a bit obsessed.

And?

Do we now need permission regarding what forums we will post on? No, I’m not obsessed, other than refusing to defend what appears to be a professional victim. I started reading these threads sheerly out of interest until the last one when I decided to become involved. While it is arguable whether MB is a victim in this situation, it seems it is perfectly okay for LK and others to attack him and spout their theories and grand defenses of LK while he and his close circle of friends have remained quiet. Let me, of course, make the obligatory statement, it is not okay to shoot someone.

Nice deflection by the way…so you start a rumble and when called on it by several posters, you deflect and walk away. Got it. Always blame the messenger rather than admit misunderstandings or address the topic.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@ThreeFigs

OK, I’m lost. Who’s GEE?

@GiveEmEl

[ThreeFigs]

(Slaps forehead) Of course! Thanks!

[Jealoushe]

@GreenWithEnvy

And?

Do we now need permission regarding what forums we will post on? No, I’m not obsessed, other than refusing to defend what appears to be a professional victim. I started reading these threads sheerly out of interest until the last one when I decided to become involved. While it is arguable whether MB is a victim in this situation, it seems it is perfectly okay for LK and others to attack him and spout their theories and grand defenses of LK while he and his close circle of friends have remained quiet. Let me, of course, make the obligatory statement, it is not okay to shoot someone.

Nice deflection by the way…so you start a rumble and when called on it by several posters, you deflect and walk away. Got it. Always blame the messenger rather than admit misunderstandings or address the topic.

what? I can’t make any sense of this post at all.

What deflection? What rumble did I cause? I literally was tagged as being some sort of top 3 in these posts and asked why. Blame what messenger? Walk away from what?

Do you even know what you are arguing at this point, because I sure don’t.

[Jealoushe]

@GreenWithEnvy

while he and his close circle of friends have remained quiet. .

RSBM

This is untrue and you know it. Carry on on your mission to make sure everyone knows LK is a professional victim. Such honorable work you are doing :lol:

[GreenWithEnvy]

@Jealoushe

what? I can’t make any sense of this post at all.

What deflection? What rumble did I cause? I literally was tagged as being some sort of top 3 in these posts and asked why. Blame what messenger? Walk away from what?

Do you even know what you are arguing at this point, because I sure don’t.

Um instead of addressing your original statement saying I had said posters are PMing about how vile LK is, you decided to change the subject (deflect) to the age of my account and what forums I’ve posted on. How did that relate to your OP on this topic?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@Jealoushe

RSBM

This is untrue and you know it. Carry on on your mission to make sure everyone knows LK is a professional victim. Such honorable work you are doing :lol:

How would I know this??? Are you his friend or part of his close circle? Do you have any proof of who anyone is, because I sure would like to ask his friends some questions via PM!!

[caffeinated]

I saw a couple questions in this thread but I’m too lazy/busy to go searching for them to quote them.

1. from @MorganSercu : regarding recordings in which the participants don’t know they’re being recorded:

NJ law says it is a one-party consent state. That means one party IN the conversation needs to know there is recording. This means any footage that LK recorded may be inadmissible in open court. HOWEVER - this only applies to private spaces. In public, if the individuals do not “have a reasonable expectation of privacy,” then it’s fair game. I expect that there’s a point at which multiple parties involved in conversations in the barn knew there were recording devices present. Depending on when they became aware, conversations AFTER that point would be fair game as well, as best I can tell. But I would expect if these recordings exist, the defense will work really hard to exclude them.

2. from various folks about the public record system, regarding RC:

I searched the NJ criminal cases system (PROMIS/Gavel) and did not find any records for Ruth Cox. HOWEVER, and this is a big caveat - their system sort of sucks. Here in Maryland you can easily search one system for the entire state, and it’s updated almost instantly (so if someone is arrested on Monday, it will show up within a day or so. Same with charges being laid). When I searched this same system for Michael Barisone, a week after the crime, it was still not showing up. And in fact, when I searched his name TODAY, it’s still not coming up despite the fact that we know he’s in jail, charged with attempted murder, and going on trial for it.

If I find a better system somewhere, I’ll probably search there too, but I haven’t found it yet. It may be they don’t update that system until trials/cases are complete. Either way, my point is that there IS a public records search available to the public. But that the easiest one to find is not updated immediately or incomplete. If RC was arrested/charged it may not be big enough news to be published anywhere (it would be big news to US, but probably not to the general public).

EDIT> Answer to the above on public criminal records:

Certain records are not available for public inspection in accordance with statutes and the Rules of Court Governing the State of New Jersey Judiciary. Only defendants with a case(s) on which he or she was convicted and sentenced in Superior Court, will display in your search results. No other defendants will display

[Dragonfly90]

@GreenWithEnvy

Apparently you and @Jealoushe need more reading comprehension classes. Let me share the full quote with you: As far as “being accused of being her alter”, if the shoe fits. Posters are still PMing each other wondering this exact thing. As you can see, those privately asking questions are about @YankeeDuchess identity, NOT about how vile LK is. She does that well enough all by herself in her posts.

I love how you people pick apart a post and twist it to match what you want to attack.

I believe I put a question mark after that sentence. My reading comprehension is just fine.

[Jealoushe]

@GreenWithEnvy

Um instead of addressing your original statement saying I had said posters are PMing about how vile LK is, you decided to change the subject (deflect) to the age of my account and what forums I’ve posted on. How did that relate to your OP on this topic?

Dude, I never said that. I said you were obsessed…as a reply to someone elses comment. Are you actually here to have a discussion or just pick apart every single persons post word for word because they aren’t agreeable to yours.

To show you were obsessed, I said you made an account just to comment on these threads. I did not deflect at all, I showed my evidence to support my case. You say otherwise however, my research indicates you are indeed, obsessed with LK and proving to the world she is a bad person or a professional victim to use your words.

This is all MOO. You do not have to agree. However there is no point taking what bits and pieces you can from my posts and arguing over semantics and sentance structure. I’m not about that life.

I’m about justice, which will be served swiftly to MB in the summer. Can’t wait.

[Jealoushe]

@GreenWithEnvy

How would I know this??? Are you his friend or part of his close circle? Do you have any proof of who anyone is, because I sure would like to ask his friends some questions via PM!!

QFP, also more proof of how much you enjoy those PMs :lol:

[Moderator_1]

We’re getting into a lot of bickering, personal commentary, etc., so this thread’s days are likely numbered until there’s another significant development in the case, but we were able to tie the YankeeDuchess account to a real person who is not LK, so the murmurings about that can be put to bed.

[FatDinah]

@caffeinated

I saw a couple questions in this thread but I’m too lazy/busy to go searching for them to quote them.

1. from @MorganSercu : regarding recordings in which the participants don’t know they’re being recorded:

NJ law says it is a one-party consent state. That means one party IN the conversation needs to know there is recording. This means any footage that LK recorded may be inadmissible in open court. HOWEVER - this only applies to private spaces. In public, if the individuals do not “have a reasonable expectation of privacy,” then it’s fair game. I expect that there’s a point at which multiple parties involved in conversations in the barn knew there were recording devices present. Depending on when they became aware, conversations AFTER that point would be fair game as well, as best I can tell. But I would expect if these recordings exist, the defense will work really hard to exclude them.

2. from various folks about the public record system, regarding RC:

I searched the NJ criminal cases system (PROMIS/Gavel) and did not find any records for Ruth Cox. HOWEVER, and this is a big caveat - their system sort of sucks. Here in Maryland you can easily search one system for the entire state, and it’s updated almost instantly (so if someone is arrested on Monday, it will show up within a day or so. Same with charges being laid). When I searched this same system for Michael Barisone, a week after the crime, it was still not showing up. And in fact, when I searched his name TODAY, it’s still not coming up despite the fact that we know he’s in jail, charged with attempted murder, and going on trial for it.

If I find a better system somewhere, I’ll probably search there too, but I haven’t found it yet. It may be they don’t update that system until trials/cases are complete. Either way, my point is that there IS a public records search available to the public. But that the easiest one to find is not updated immediately or incomplete. If RC was arrested/charged it may not be big enough news to be published anywhere (it would be big news to US, but probably not to the general public).

EDIT> Answer to the above on public criminal records:

LK alleged that RC was going to be taken into custody in Florida by federal marshals but she returned to NJ to be charged. So, could it be a federal charge? Maybe she had the gun registered in Florida and did not register it in NJ?