Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

Good question.

Again, nobody has been able to find independent confirmation of a warrant or arrest record on RC. Or a news story about it.

 But we do know that if there IS an arrest record for Ruth Cox in NJ, the policy is that it is not entered into the searchable database until after a conviction. For example the criminal charges against Barisone do not appear in the database.

[Jealoushe]

Some interesting info in these news releases involving RC:

https://patch.com/new-jersey/longvalley/war-cops-called-5x-olympians-farm-shooting

https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/2019/12/18/long-valley-olympian-indicted-attempted-murder-shooting/2689678001/

[YankeeDuchess]

@cutter99

Maybe LK would be kind enough to point us that direction since she insists it happened.

She has said that as part of the consideration of victim’s rights, she as the victim was informed of the charges. 

 Others have established that in NJ, criminal charges are not made public via searchable databases until after conviction, so what kind of verification are you requesting?

[CanteringCarrot]

BuT iT wAsN’t A lAnDlOrD tEnAnT dIsPuTe.

Even though to LK’s dad was quoted saying that it was to media, other articles including the ones posted here (above by Jealoushe), point to that, and it is referenced in MB’s 9/11 calls. So, still a bit unclear about that.

[YankeeDuchess]

@CanteringCarrot

BuT iT wAsN’t A lAnDlOrD tEnAnT dIsPuTe.

Even though to LK’s dad was quoted saying that it was to media, other articles including the ones posted here (above by Jealoushe), point to that, and it is referenced in MB’s 9/11 calls. So, still a bit unclear about that.

He was the landlord.
She was a tenant.
They had a dispute.

It is not entirely clear exactly what the dispute was about. It was not necessarily about her tenancy in the apartment. It was probably about money.

But there was an acrimonious dispute between a landlord and his tenant, so it’s fairly described as a “landlord-tenant dispute”, as opposed to, say, jealous husband or attempted robbery.

[CanteringCarrot]

@YankeeDuchess

He was the landlord.
She was a tenant.
They had a dispute.

It is not entirely clear exactly what the dispute was about. It was not necessarily about her tenancy in the apartment. It was probably about money.

But there was an acrimonious dispute between a landlord and his tenant, so it’s fairly described as a “landlord-tenant dispute”, as opposed to, say, jealous husband or attempted robbery.

Of course, but it was said that it wasn’t by a party involved.

[Calling_Duck]

Hello! Scorekeeper here: 71 pages = 703 posts. This is like a never-ending game of badminton on a windy day. Really slow, things being lobbed about, racquets swinging and missing. But carry on. There are points to be made by virtue of sheer persistence.

[Bogey2]

@YankeeDuchess

I assume you are expecting tar and feathers from me. But your post here is light years away from the posts I was characterizing as victim blaming.

Re; “blame for the relationship having gone sour”. A bunch of years ago, my relationship with a previously adored trainer went “sour” and I stayed for another 6 months before leaving.

I did play a “role” in the relationship going “sour”. My trainer was married to a vet and insisted that her clients use (and of course, pay), her husband as their vet, even though I already had a 15 year relationship with my vet of choice. Nevertheless, I used her husband as my vet for a while until there was a soundness issue such that I realized I clearly wanted my “own vet”. As politely and respectfully as I could, I stated my preference for using a vet other than the husband, stressing I meant no disrespect to him personally or professionally. She informed me that since she was the trainer and I was an amateur, she knew better, and her husband was the better vet; and she gets to make the decision. I said, still no disrespect to the husband, but it’s my horse and my money, so I insist on getting to choose my own vet. She told me my desire to choose the vet was disrespectful of her.
I insisted, and switched back to my own vet. From that point I was subjected general disrespect and poor treatment from her.
It is clear in my mind in retrospect that the relationship soured because I declined to let her intimidate me into hiring, and more importantly paying $$$, to the husband. On a related note, my credit card was on file at the feed store supposedly to be used for feed for my own horse, and I strongly suspect I may have been feeding her horse as well as mine, to some degree, but I never brought that up.
When the disrespect and bad treatment got bad enough I left. She never asked me to leave, and tried to manipulate me into NOT leaving! She is frosty with me to this day, 10 years later and my interpretation is that my crime is leaving her program. What she wanted, and apparently expected, was that I would stay and put up with the conflicts of interest, the disrespect, the low level embezzlement, and the bad treatment just because she was the better rider. In fairness to her, she was a newbie trainer at the time, and hopefully has updated her perceptions of what clients will put up with before taking their money elsewhere.

Did something I did contribute to the relationship souring?Absolutely, I insisted on the right to choose my own vet. Is it my “fault” that the relationship soured? Only if you think it is not acceptable for a client to choose their own vet.

I’m sorry but your story does not equate at all to what happened with LK and MB. If you are using it for comparison YOU really need to read what LK writes. Go wayyy back and see how threatening she was in her own words.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Bogey2

I’m sorry but your story does not equate at all to what happened with LK and MB. If you are using it for comparison YOU really need to read what LK writes. Go wayyy back and see how threatening she was in her own words.

Fair enough.

But the purpose of my story is to illustrate the idea that “played a role in souring a relationship” =/= “is morally responsible for” the bad behavior of the other person.

My trainer did not shoot me, but she treated me (and my horse) badly, and ripped me off to the extent she thought she could get away with it before I left. And bad mouthed me to other people for several years because I left. I understand very clearly that had I done things differently, like agree to every greedy thing she wanted, the relationship would be fine from her point of view.

[YankeeDuchess]

@CanteringCarrot

Of course, but it was said that it wasn’t by a party involved.

Huh? Even if the dispute was not ABOUT her being a deadbeat vs fully legitimate tenant, it was still a nasty dispute between a landlord and a tenant.

If a reporter asked you, as her father, why she was shot and you had 4 seconds and 20 words in which to respond, what would you have said?

[Dragonfly90]

@iberianfan

QUOTE: Dragonfly90: I can see these supposed conversations about plotting to kill her, knowing LK could overhear or even being aware it was being taped, as part of the game of trying to get her to leave, along with the 911 calls MB made. All part of harassing her, they wanted her gone.
At some point MB decided to do it. MH could say she really didn’t think he would, it was all just talk. Just like LK didn’t think he really would. END QUOTE

I couldn’t seem to quote two posters. These two ideas conflict. Either MB wanted her to stay, threatening her career, or he wanted her to go. Can’t have it both ways. Unless I have missed something, which is entirely possible.

I don’t have inside information on how it played out. They could have wanted her gone, but for some reason decided to pressure her out(maybe not letting her take one of her horses saying she still owed $) instead of outright telling her to go or through legal means. Maybe at first he wanted her to stay but under new terms. Maybe the terms they wanted for her leaving she didn’t accept(who owed what to whom). By the time he called 911 he definitely wanted her gone and in his mind they were squatters.
I was just offering a theory that maybe MH wasn’t charged because while she may have been involved in the conversation taped or overheard (again no evidence yet there was one) plotting to kill LK and her fiancé, MH could say it was all just talk and didn’t think MB would do it.
I have no evidence of any of this, just like many others trying to make sense of something senseless. Don’t quote anything as fact!

[CanteringCarrot]

@YankeeDuchess

Huh? Even if the dispute was not ABOUT her being a deadbeat vs fully legitimate tenant, it was still a nasty dispute between a landlord and a tenant.

If a reporter asked you, as her father, why she was shot and you had 4 seconds and 20 words in which to respond, what would you have said?

I don’t understand what you’re saying.

[GreenWithEnvy]

Here’s a thought…none of this really had anything to do with MB except for the events of the afternoon of August 7. It very well could all boil down to LK’s rancid envy of Mary Haskins Gray…a mom, gorgeous, talented, respect by most, a Gold Medalist for NAYRC and USDF, accomplished trainer and actually has everything LK lacks and desperately desires. I wonder if it was MH LK wanted out of her life, not MB. Just food for thought.

Anyway, here it is, 1:55 on the East Coast, something much, much, much more important than a narcissist and her alleged attacker is getting ready to begin in Washington, DC.

[RainWeasley]

@GreenWithEnvy

Here’s a thought…none of this really had anything to do with MB except for the events of the afternoon of August 7. It very well could all boil down to LK’s rancid envy of Mary Haskins Gray…a mom, gorgeous, talented, respect by most, a Gold Medalist for NAYRC and USDF, accomplished trainer and actually has everything LK lacks and desperately desires. I wonder if it was MH LK wanted out of her life, not MB. Just food for thought.

Anyway, here it is, 1:55 on the East Coast, something much, much, much more important than a narcissist and her alleged attacker is getting ready to begin in Washington, DC.

What’s about to begin?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@RainWeasley

What’s about to begin?

Chief Justice John Roberts swearing the Senate as jurors in the Impeachment of DJT. No political commentary here, just that this is an important, serious day in our Nation and Democracy.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

Here’s a thought…none of this really had anything to do with MB except for the events of the afternoon of August 7. It very well could all boil down to LK’s rancid envy of Mary Haskins Gray…a mom, gorgeous, talented, respect by most, a Gold Medalist for NAYRC and USDF, accomplished trainer and actually has everything LK lacks and desperately desires. I wonder if it was MH LK wanted out of her life, not MB. Just food for thought.

Anyway, here it is, 1:55 on the East Coast, something much, much, much more important than a narcissist and her alleged attacker is getting ready to begin in Washington, DC.

If LK wanted MH out of her life, she could have ... left?  Even if she was insanely envious of MH, it appears she did not  get her out of her life by criminal means (attempting murder).

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

If a reporter asked you, as her father, why she was shot and you had 4 seconds and 20 words in which to respond, what would you have said?

“No comment.”

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

If LK wanted MH out of her life, she could have … left? Even if she was insanely envious of MH, it appears she did not get her out of her life by criminal means (attempting murder).

You’ve completely missed the point, as usual. I am presenting that LK wanted MB to remove MH from the equation. That wasn’t going to happen regardless of any drama/turmoil LK manufactured.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

You’ve completely missed the point, as usual. I am presenting that LK wanted MB to remove MH from the equation. That wasn’t going to happen regardless of any drama/turmoil LK manufactured.

  Indeed, I did completely misunderstand your point. So your point is that LK was harassing MB in order to force him to choose LK as a student/client over his gorgeous, talented, and accomplished girlfriend.  That had not occurred to me.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

“No comment.”

   Makes sense. You so frequently “quote” posts, but in response offer no comment, not even to say “No comment” or QFP. 
   Indeed, at first I thought you were offering no comment on my post, and wondered why you were being so verbose as to actually say “no comment”!