Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[MorganSercu]

I think we can all agree that in this day and age - horses are a luxury item. Very few horses actually work for a living and those that do are subject to the craziness that is PETA trying to suggest it’s cruel or bad for them to do so. They’re going after the carriage horses in NYC, but not the police horses. The arabbers in Baltimore are almost gone.

PETA may not be coming after dressage yet, but with enough time and money they will do so. The fact that PETA now owns significant shares in Facebook is why suddenly it is hard to join breeder groups.

How I loathe PETA. Years ago I went combing through their VDOCs and their kill rate at their shelter was due to a huge loophole in how a shelter was defined.

Sorry - tangential rant. Anyway. Horses are a luxury. Let’s agree upon that and then circle up to protect ourselves from groups chipping away at the ability to own, ride, train, breed, show, vaccinate, euthanize and even SELL them. We have enough troubles with fewer places to ride, the rising cost of land plus the taxes, and how hard it is to get a reliable source of local hay!

[CanteringCarrot]

@BigMama1

So USEF and USDF are partly responsible for Michael Barisone picking up a gun and shooting two people, because the associations don’t stop rich Americans from buying and showing nice horses? Interesting theory! :lol:

Nothing can surprise me anymore.

Perhaps it was the cat, who crawled out from his pile of feces in a childs bedroom, retrieved a pink gun, and handed it to MB. Meanwhile, aliens were in the stable with state of the art listening devices - in fact they were the ones in the mysterious Black SUV.

Little did we know that the cat sent MB to shoot his arch enemy: Dog. However since MB doesn’t speak cat, he could not understand and did not complete the mission. Instead he shot LK and fired at (I forget his initials) the fiance.

The cat fled the scene and is at large.

[AnotherRound]

Wow, that really fell apart fast.

[RainWeasley]

@CanteringCarrot

Nothing can surprise me anymore.

Perhaps it was the cat, who crawled out from his pile of feces in a childs bedroom, retrieved a pink gun, and handed it to MB. Meanwhile, aliens were in the stable with state of the art listening devices - in fact they were the ones in the mysterious Black SUV.

Little did we know that the cat sent MB to shoot his arch enemy: Dog. However since MB doesn’t speak cat, he could not understand and did not complete the mission. Instead he shot LK and fired at (I forget his initials) the fiance.

The cat fled the scene and is at large.

Yall.

MB : MIB. This totally explains the black SUV, cats and dogs shooting people, etc. Maybe LK is an alien.

👽

[BigMama1]

@CanteringCarrot

To be fair, it does cost less to keep, develop, and compete a horse in Europe. Which is why prices are more “friendly” to American buyers and why they often import from Europe.

It is a different system. A different culture and different view toward riding and breeding in general. In America it is different. Not necessarily wrong, but different.

Apparently the fact that I currently do not compete in America disqualifies me from saying anything though :lol:

Wow. That’s amazing if it is $50/year and $11/class to show in Europe. Even I could afford that.

[BigMama1]

@Manni01

😊 Sorry that you obviously have no idea what I wrote. Maybe read it again…

I did.

“it is also USDF and probably also USEF which are partly responsible for this tragic incident.”

That’s bananas.

[MorganSercu]

@BigMama1

I did.

“it is also USDF and probably also USEF which are partly responsible for this tragic incident.”

Bananas.

I don’t disagree with that but I do have a question. Let’s work with the oft-repeated idea that you need to look a certain way while riding too in order to be successful. That without a particular body type, you’re not as likely to do well. I don’t put stock in that theory but for the sake of discussion, let’s say it has merit.

1. Is that a selection bias by the judges, or by the fact that many people who ride upper level dressage are riding a lot of horses, burning a fair number of calories, etc.?
2. IF (IF IF IF) it is the whole “the way you look plays a role in how we score you” (a la gymnastics or figure skating), then USEF/USDF didn’t make it happen, but they do need to look hard at what the judges are doing.

We’re all human. Some of us prefer horses a certain color, or breed and it’s not too much of a stretch to say that a competitor who presents a particular silhouette may grab more attention by a judge. For good or ill. Remember how much influence Balanchine had over generations of dancers and we still haven’t totally moved away from it.

But no, USEF/USDF didn’t make this happen and it’s silly to think they did.

Barisone shot Kanarek. He shouldn’t have done so.

[MorganSercu]

@RainWeasley

Yall.

MB : MIB. This totally explains the black SUV, cats and dogs shooting people, etc. Maybe LK is an alien.

👽

It makes as much sense as some alternate theories we’ve read here so far!

[BigMama1]

@MorganSercu

I don’t disagree with that but I do have a question. Let’s work with the oft-repeated idea that you need to look a certain way while riding too in order to be successful. That without a particular body type, you’re not as likely to do well. I don’t put much stock in that theory but for the sake of discussion, let’s say it has merit.

1. Is that a selection bias by the judges, or by the fact that many people who ride upper level dressage are riding a lot of horses, burning a fair number of calories, etc.?
2. IF (IF IF IF) it is the whole “the way you look plays a role in how we score you” (a la gymnastics or figure skating), then USEF/USDF didn’t make it happen, but they do need to look hard at what the judges are doing.

We’re all human. Some of us prefer horses a certain color, or breed and it’s not too much of a stretch to say that a competitor who presents a particular silhouette may grab more attention by a judge. For good or ill. Remember how much influence Balanchine had over generations of dancers and we still haven’t totally moved away from it.

But no, USEF/USDF didn’t make this happen and it’s silly to think they did.

Barisone shot Kanarek. He shouldn’t have done so.

I think the body type factor is genuine in the hunters and EQ. Way less so in dressage where the judges tend to focus on the horse far more than the rider. Have I scribed for judges who make catty, nasty comments about rider weight? For sure. But do I think those riders were scored lower than skinny riders with comparable performances? No.

[MorganSercu]

@BigMama1

I think the body type factor is genuine in the hunters and EQ. Way less so in dressage where the judges tend to focus on the horse far more than the rider. Have I scribed for judges who make catty, nasty comments about rider weight? For sure. But do I think those riders were scored lower than skinny riders with comparable performances? No.

Man, that is really sad to read that it has that much to do with scoring in some disciplines. It is a bit of a relief to hear that it didn’t affect the scoring in dressage.

Such a pity that people think they can ascertain a person’s value or skills simply by looking at their silhouette. But that is true outside of horses too, of course.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

[BigMama1]

@MorganSercu

Man, that is really sad to read that it has that much to do with scoring in some disciplines. It is a bit of a relief to hear that it didn’t affect the scoring in dressage.

Such a pity that people think they can ascertain a person’s value or skills simply by looking at their silhouette. But that is true outside of horses too, of course.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

As a significantly overweight rider and sometimes blogger who has been fat-shamed here on COTH, it’s a topic near and dear to my heart.

[MorganSercu]

@BigMama1

As a significantly overweight rider and sometimes blogger who has been fat-shamed here on COTH, it’s a topic near and dear to my heart.

I’m so sorry, BigMama1. That’s just not right or necessary. I do hope that the riding you do now is mostly for yourself and you get much pleasure out of it. Improvement is the goal, but sometimes, it’s just enjoying the ride. Yes?

[IdahoRider]

@GreenWithEnvy

I’m still dumbfounded that surveillance equipment was installed in a private barn without the owner’s permission. Insane.

Which is why much of it, if not all of it, may be deemed inadmissible.
Sheilah

[splitrockfarmnc]

@CanteringCarrot

Nothing can surprise me anymore.

Perhaps it was the cat, who crawled out from his pile of feces in a childs bedroom, retrieved a pink gun, and handed it to MB. Meanwhile, aliens were in the stable with state of the art listening devices - in fact they were the ones in the mysterious Black SUV.

Little did we know that the cat sent MB to shoot his arch enemy: Dog. However since MB doesn’t speak cat, he could not understand and did not complete the mission. Instead he shot LK and fired at (I forget his initials) the fiance.

The cat fled the scene and is at large.

No he’s not. He’s in his condo in Wellington!

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@La-LaPopRider

Her “place of residence,” is Newbern NC. Where did she reside on the NJ farm… exactly? STOP PERPETUATING LIES. You think because you’re “anonymous,” you can post falsehoods as fact & no one will question you? Guns should not have been allowed on the premises. Especially in THIS particular case.

If this is the case, then you were not a resident, either. Was she traveling from NC to NJ every day?

[Jealoushe]

@Angela Freda

My bold

ETA but you still went to the barn at night, late, when you weren’t welcome to be there… pushing limits… of people you say you were truly fearful of?
Made alot of noise, when you likely could know that would not be appreciated…

How was she not welcome, when her horses were there?

Made a lot of noise?

Grasping at straws much.

[MorganSercu]

@Jealoushe

How was she not welcome, when her horses were there?

Made a lot of noise?

Grasping at straws much.

After barn hours and mind you - people were sleeping in the barn so extra-disruptive.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Manni01

Yes yes yes!! And I will go even further and will become probably really getting teared and feathered… I think its not only both parties which are partly at fault, but it is also USDF and probably also USEF which are partly responsible for this tragic incident…
.
Why did LK choose Dressage as the Sport she wants to do… Why did she not decide to play tennis…
I supect I know why… In tennis, you have to work and to work even harder and then you have to work more to win any match…

In Dressage you buy some expensive horses, you choose an accomplished trainer, you pay expensive show fees which are a barrier for many potential competitors already and then you are good to go… You see all these beautiful horses and the beautiful fashion which goes with it… And you know that its so expensive that 90 of the people can not afford it… Somehow the hard work and dedication which still goes into it if you want to make it to the top got lost in the US… LK posted a picture of herself and IW… She probably did not even think how IW made her way up… She did not buy expensive horses, she worked her butt up in a barn with a trainer who had a reputation for not being easy… She made it because she worked hard and then she worked harder… And other then that you hardly heard anything about things which went wrong…

In the US showing Dressage is about money… the more money you invest, the more expectations you have that you will be successful…

LK is probably a victim of this system because she has not enough knowledge about what’s going on behind the scenes and believed if she just paid enough money she would make it… The trainer was a victim because he did not fully understand how naive this client was (together with a little tricky personality…). He just thought take the money of this client, which is pretty normal, he had no idea about the missing knowledge and expectations of this specific client… And USDF is partly responsible because they formed the system to the current Status… You pay and pay and pay and the sportsmanship is not really that important anymore…

So this is sarcasm, right?

[Ghazzu]

@Manni01

Hope you are happy that you found a way to do a hit at me…

That seems a bit paranoid.

[Manni01]

@YankeeDuchess

So this is sarcasm, right?

Good question…I don’t know… You tell me…Do you think it is???