Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[CanteringCarrot]

@Denali6298

@CanteringCarrot Jealoushe has a point. In the past threads on this topic, posters close to the situation (who probably have been interviewed) launched all out verbal assaults on LK. When questioned as to how they would know such a thing or be privy, they claim to just be an outsider looking in. Notice these posters are absent from this thread. People on the previous threads who outright bashed LK, causing others to do the same who have no knowledge of the players, should worry about that court decision. Granted an appellate court or Supreme Court could change it, but somehow I think those posters are absent for a reason. Or they are here under the new comers who only commented on this one thread.

Yeah, I can understand this. I do think she has a point. I just stated some extraneous thoughts on the matter.

[Denali6298]

@YankeeDuchess

It was not you who made me aware of the mileage rule, Denali6298! I don’t appreciate you opining that I have not showed in years, when I last showed about a year ago.

I pointed out that the economic constraints of showing, and the economic impact of the mileage rule may well be different in different parts of the country. So what you see in Virginia or Florida may be different from what I experience in my part of the country.

It’s what I saw in Connecticut, Florida, Virginia and Washington state as well as reading about people’s experiences here from the numerous threads on the matter.

[GiveEmEl]

@Manni01

Oh getting personal again?? Warning one more time and I will report it to the mods…

Report what, exactly? Someone disagreed with your opinions and that’s totally acceptable on these forums.

[Denali6298]

@CanteringCarrot

Yeah, I can understand this. I do think she has a point. I just stated some extraneous thoughts on the matter.

I felt the need to clarify for the people who are probably reading and screech about how we don’t understand because we never met her or know people who have met her and therefore that’s an excuse to get people whipped into a frenzy and be ugly.

[Denali6298]

@GiveEmEl

Report what, exactly? Someone disagreed with your opinions and that’s totally acceptable on these forums.

You’re new here let it go.

[ladyj79]

@Denali6298

You’re new here…

But are they? :lol::lol:

[Manni01]

@smoofox

Manni01 - the post you are so outraged about was not a personal attack. Saying that you have a unique view of amateur dressage riders is not vicious. We all have unique views about things. Saying “adopted country” is not personal. The US is my adopted country as well. I do not see that as an insult - or anything personal - of any kind.

I am not sure that threats and getting in people’s faces is the way to go here.

I am always puzzled by the persistent conspiracy theories that large groups of posters constantly communicate by PM in order to coordinate an attack on some particular poster in a particular thread… that is a lot of paranoia going on there - and paranoia will destroy ya. IF it happens, it is an extremely rare occurrence. IF I get a PM about a thread (very rare), it is just a very short discussion about a particular point… no coordination, no plots, nothing. Sorry to disappoint.

If a moderator is posting on some threads under their own screen name… ummm… who cares?

I wish I could be like Manni - have some nice warmbloods and live where it was warm and go to clinics and show… if wishes were horses…

But no - I just finished digging out of another gawdawful Snowmaggedon mess. I no longer have my own horse - my retired pasture puff was put down last summer. I am the only groom, barn cleaner, midwife, nutritionist, pimp, vet tech etc. for someone else’s 25 horses. I load the youngsters on the trailer to go off to the BNT to start their show careers.

I do get to school some lovely horses at another barn. Most fun: a Fjord who is amazing at lateral work and outshines many of the warmbloods!

I look back fondly on when I was able to go to dressage shows on weekends… and only had one or two horses to tend to… but the current herd here does not allow me to wallow in such thoughts for long.

:lol:

Smoofox, thank you for your nice post!! I appreciate it and you are welcome to come and visit!!!

Just saying, this was Sparkys first post in this thread and it had nothing to do with the topic…

[Denali6298]

@ladyj79

But are they? :lol::lol:

Not likely but I can still play in fantasy world right?

[GiveEmEl]

@ladyj79

But are they? :lol::lol:

Is this you hinting I’m an alter? I thought we went over this in the last thread. 🙄

I AM new, and I don’t understand what she has to report. Did I miss a personal attack somewhere?

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

In this post you weren’t sure of it being a USEF rule. Seriously, quit arguing for arguments sake.

oh and you were responding to my post bringing up the mileage rule.

I have known for a long time about the USEF mileage rule, and have complained about it in real life.

What I was trying to say was that USEF should only be blamed for specific rules that make the sport more expensive, as opposed the general fact that showing is expensive.

Manni was blaming things like grounds fees that are almost as expensive as stabling, and indeed I am not aware that USEF sets grounds fees, nor that a weekend show must be two separate shows. I think those costs come from show management decisions not USEF rules.

Since you know all the USEF rules, perhaps you could let me know if USEF sets the grounds fee, or the stabling fee.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

It’s what I saw in Connecticut, Florida, Virginia and Washington state as well as reading about people’s experiences here from the numerous threads on the matter.

I don’t compete in Connecticut, Florida, Virginia, or Washington state. The impact of USEF rules on the economics of dressage shows may well be different from their impact HJ shows, no?

The issue is not just what the rules are, but how the rules impact the cost of showing. I think that the economics of putting on dressage shows is quite a bit different from the economics of HJ shows, but what do I know?

[Denali6298]

@YankeeDuchess do a search here and you will find the answers to your questions regarding AAs and the price of showing. Let. It. Go. Or start a new thread in off course to get cross discipline answers.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

In this post you weren’t sure of it being a USEF rule. Seriously, quit arguing for arguments sake.

oh and you were responding to my post bringing up the mileage rule.

What I meant to say is;
To the extent that the cost of showing is high because of a constraint imposed by USEF, such as, for example, the mileage rule (of which I am aware), then it is fair game to slag USEF.

On the other hand, to the extent that stabling fees or grounds fees are high just because of basic economics and not because of any USEF requirement, it seems not useful to me to slag USEF about those costs.

[Denali6298]

@GiveEmEl

Is this you hinting I’m an alter? I thought we went over this in the last thread. 🙄

I AM new, and I don’t understand what she has to report. Did I miss a personal attack somewhere?

Sent you a PM

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

@YankeeDuchess do a search here and you will find the answers to your questions regarding AAs and the price of showing. Let. It. Go. Or start a new thread in off course to get cross discipline answers.

The question to you about whether USEF sets grounds fees and stabling fees was rhetorical, so I’m not inclined to search old threads for the answer!

Should I be careful to denote which of my questions are rhetorical? (That one. That’s a rhetorical question.)

[ladyj79]

@GiveEmEl

Is this you hinting I’m an alter? I thought we went over this in the last thread. 🙄

I AM new, and I don’t understand what she has to report. Did I miss a personal attack somewhere?

Or it was a joke. I don’t really care one way or another, but I do love a running joke.

[Denali6298]

If you ignore it does it go away?

[trubandloki]

@La-LaPopRider

FTR- IW is criticized ALL THE TIME (wrongfully, IMO) for using bad training methods … being “abusive,” to the horses in training- having a foot in the door “unfairly,” for getting to the O games repeatedly… So, there goes your entire theory. She works her ass off. As do I. If you want a quality horse- go buy one! They’re cheaper in Europe & if you spend some time really looking with a few expert set of eyes, you’ll likely end up with a horse who is talented, forward, light in the bridle with excellent self carriage. It’s worked beautifully for me three times now in the past 2 years. They don’t “come,” as “push button,” test takers. No. Sorry. It takes W O R K. Riding & more riding. Get acquainted with that or stop complaining.

Manni actually has the money and the very nice horses, that she brought to this country. She just does not like how we do things here in the US.

@smoofox

I am always puzzled by the persistent conspiracy theories that large groups of posters constantly communicate by PM in order to coordinate an attack on some particular poster in a particular thread… that is a lot of paranoia going on there - and paranoia will destroy ya. IF it happens, it is an extremely rare occurrence.

All these people saying everyone is having PM conversations. My last PM conversation was me asking someone about a recipe they posted about. The one before that was me asking someone specifics about a product they posted about. No one includes me on the PMs about LK having or not having an alias or anything about Manni. Should I be feeling left out?

@ladyj79

But are they? :lol::lol:

Can we add them to the list of people who might be PB? :lol:

@GiveEmEl

Did I miss a personal attack somewhere?

To some people (general people, no one specific) everything is a personal attack. Just smile and nod.

@Denali6298

do a search here and you will find the answers to your questions regarding AAs and the price of showing. Let. It. Go. Or start a new thread in off course to get cross discipline answers.

My best guess is their intent is to side track here… go with that whole ignore thing.

[Sparky]

@Manni01

Smoofox, thank you for your nice post!! I appreciate it and you are welcome to come and visit!!!

Just saying, this was Sparkys first post in this thread and it had nothing to do with the topic…

Not my first post on this thread Manni01. Whenever there’s an opportunity for a wisecrack, I try to fill the void.

And YD asked if you were being sarcastic. Since I didn’t want her laboring under the impression that what you wrote was a joke, I simply told her your perspective on wealthy amateur dressage riders, which you are quite open about. Actually, quite on topic.

[ghst13]

@Manni01

if you ask show management they will tell you they have to do it because of all the money they pay to USEF…

And again my fav argument the AA rule…
In the US your time as an AA is over once you earn any money with riding…
Theoretically there would be the possibility for the show management to find local sponsors to sponsor price money for the classes… That way the riders could at least get some of the money back they spend for the show… But wait… not possible because then they would loose their AA status…

Amateurs are absolutely allowed to receive prize money without impacting their amateur status.

GR1306
3. Permitted activities by Amateur. An Amateur is permitted to do the following:
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d. Accept prize money as the owner of a horse in any class other than equitation or showmanship classes.Accept prize money in Dressage.
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