Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[Denali6298]

@Sparky

Not my first post on this thread Manni01. Whenever there’s an opportunity for a wisecrack, I try to fill the void.

And YD asked if you were being sarcastic. Since I didn’t want her laboring under the impression that what you wrote was a joke, I simply told her your perspective on wealthy amateur dressage riders, which you are quite open about. Actually, quite on topic.

Holy hell take it to PM.

[Angela_Freda]

@La-LaPopRider

Quote feature used! Your turn. For the love if God speed a minute doing something other than victim blaming. Read a book. Go to the gym. Take up yoga! Yes, I’m imploring you to change your life habits. Seriously, it’s brain killer. At least learn how to use critical thinking skills and logic! Even if you have to use crayon. Any color! Any font! Any critical thinking or other hobby I’ve suggested will do.

:lol:. Classic.

[Jealoushe]

@Denali6298

I don’t think we can positively say that the original mods are no longer mods. That being said, who cares. They are part of our community here on CoTH. I can’t imagine moderating a board I have zero interest in.

well it is interesting, because on one thread I commented and someone commented immediately afterward that I was there to report the thread to mods to have it shut down again. How would they know, I reported an innapropriate post the first time on the other thread??

I mean, I agree mods should partake but they also have to leave their personal agendas at the door then, and also shouldn’t out posters who report posts.

I saw it mentioned on another board, so then I figured maybe there was some truth behind it. But again, just speculation.

[BigMama1]

@Manni01

Well, whatever you say… I did elaborate why I think so, but obviously you are not reading everything… So just for you I will try to explain again…

USDF and USEF run their Organisations in a way which is not focussed on the participants but only on money… They do not care if everybody who cannot afford it will drop out and stop showing. As a result the classes get smaller and smaller… Many times you get a blue ribbon no matter what because you are the only participant…

And this is the point… You buy a nice horse and you enter a class then you will get a ribbon… If you play tennis, you loose in the first round if you are not good enough and that’s it… Not very satisfying…

I hope I made myself clear now…

And that all makes them responsible for Michael Barisone shooting someone how, exactly?

[Denali6298]

@Jealoushe

well it is interesting, because on one thread I commented and someone commented immediately afterward that I was there to report the thread to mods to have it shut down again. How would they know, I reported an innapropriate post the first time on the other thread??

I mean, I agree mods should partake but they also have to leave their personal agendas at the door then, and also shouldn’t out posters who report posts.

I saw it mentioned on another board, so then I figured maybe there was some truth behind it. But again, just speculation.

I don’t think that was a mod. I think that poster was sad you ruined their day by not agreeing with their behavior. Let’s face it the most rude, hateful, obnoxious posters are the ones that crow the most when called out on their BS. The rest of us who get rude agree by apologizing or just stay silent.

There are people here who ignore my posts and have publicly said so, who have reported me, and I own I get out of line. The ones who dig deep or say “well it’s on the reader” are legitimately offensive. If someone reads my posts and thinks I’m being rude when I’m not, I clarify. My words are on me. The mods, have never been like that.

[GiveEmEl]

@trubandloki

Manni actually has the money and the very nice horses, that she brought to this country. She just does not like how we do things here in the US.

All these people saying everyone is having PM conversations. My last PM conversation was me asking someone about a recipe they posted about. The one before that was me asking someone specifics about a product they posted about. No one includes me on the PMs about LK having or not having an alias or anything about Manni. Should I be feeling left out?

Can we add them to the list of people who might be JB? :lol:

To some people (general people, no one specific) everything is a personal attack. Just smile and nod.

My best guess is their intent is to side track here… go with that whole ignore thing.

At this risk of sounding extra dumb, who is JB?

also, no one PM’s me about conspiracies either. Maybe we aren’t “cool” enough.

ETA: please do not actually PM me about any conspiracies.

[Jealoushe]

@Denali6298

I don’t think that was a mod. I think that poster was sad you ruined their day by not agreeing with their behavior. Let’s face it the most rude, hateful, obnoxious posters are the ones that crow the most when called out on their BS. The rest of us who get rude agree by apologizing or just stay silent.

lol that’s true.

[BigMama1]

@Manni01

Well, whatever you say… I did elaborate why I think so, but obviously you are not reading everything… So just for you I will try to explain again…

USDF and USEF run their Organisations in a way which is not focussed on the participants but only on money… They do not care if everybody who cannot afford it will drop out and stop showing. As a result the classes get smaller and smaller… Many times you get a blue ribbon no matter what because you are the only participant…

And this is the point… You buy a nice horse and you enter a class then you will get a ribbon… If you play tennis, you loose in the first round if you are not good enough and that’s it… Not very satisfying…

I hope I made myself clear now…

Lord, I may regret this but I do have to ask…

How on earth does that add up to USEF / USSF being “partly responsible for this tragic incident?” How did the relative affordability of dressage competitions etc. due to USEF policies that you disagree with make Michael Barisone pick up a gun and shoot a client?

[trubandloki]

@GiveEmEl

At this risk of sounding extra dumb, who is JB?

Oops, bad typing. PB. I meant PB. I will go fix my other post.

[trubandloki]

@BigMama1

Lord, I may regret this but I do have to ask…

How on earth does that add up to USEF / USSF being “partly responsible for this tragic incident?” How did the relative affordability of dressage competitions etc. due to USEF policies that you disagree with make Michael Barisone pick up a gun and shoot a client?

I understood Manni to mean that the fact that LK did not know the rules about the sport she participates in… which is one of the points of animosity.
Not that USEF, etc made MB do anything.

[Denali6298]

@BigMama1

Lord, I may regret this but I do have to ask…

How on earth does that add up to USEF / USSF being “partly responsible for this tragic incident?” How did the relative affordability of dressage competitions etc. due to USEF policies that you disagree with make Michael Barisone pick up a gun and shoot a client?

Because someone with lots of money and lots of time can buy horses to win without knowing the rules.

Can we for the love of god stop pretending we don’t know why Manni is getting at! And if you don’t ask her to clarify instead of attacking her? Is that possible?

[YankeeDuchess]

@trubandloki

Oops, bad typing. PB. I meant PB. I will go fix my other post.

At the risk of sounding extra, extra dumb, who is PB?

[Denali6298]

@YankeeDuchess

At the risk of sounding extra, extra dumb, who is PB?

Read the forums. Beyond the drama threads. I know legitimate training and horse care issues don’t interest you but ffs try to get involved in our community if you want people to take you seriously.

[WildLittleWren]

[quote="“YankeeDuchess,post:879,topic:464825”]

@WildLittleWren

I think LK was comparing herself to the parent, not the child.

Okay, I find it hard to follow her posts because they seem to bounce everywhere.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

Because someone with lots of money and lots of time can buy horses to win without knowing the rules.

Can we for the love of god stop pretending we don’t know why Manni is getting at! And if you don’t ask her to clarify instead of attacking her? Is that possible?

My asking how USDF was partly responsible for LK getting shot was entirely genuine and I was not “pretending that I did not know what she was getting at.”

I’m assuming
@BigMama1 ‘s
question is genuine as well. I honestly did not see
@Sparky ‘s
comment as an attack either.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

GWE said straight up that she and others were PMing each other speculating that I was an alter for LK. I find it mildly amusing that they would waste their time doing that.

NO, reread my post (once again). I said others were PMing each other. I couldn’t care less but when someone PM’s me asking what about so and so, I generally do not reply. I don’t care about carrying on private conversations with alters. If I definitely know who a person is, that might be different, but I’m not going to play PM games.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@Denali6298

@CanteringCarrot Jealoushe has a point. In the past threads on this topic, posters close to the situation (who probably have been interviewed) launched all out verbal assaults on LK. When questioned as to how they would know such a thing or be privy, they claim to just be an outsider looking in. Notice these posters are absent from this thread. People on the previous threads who outright bashed LK, causing others to do the same who have no knowledge of the players, should worry about that court decision. Granted an appellate court or Supreme Court could change it, but somehow I think those posters are absent for a reason. Or they are here under the new comers who only commented on this one thread.

Or they became bored and moved on with their lives after the same arguments repeatedly.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

Read the forums. Beyond the drama threads. I know legitimate training and horse care issues don’t interest you but ffs try to get involved in our community if you want people to take you seriously.

Thanks for cluing me in on the “fact” that “legitimate training and horse issues don’t interest” me, something which you would obviously know better than I, along with how long it’s been since I’ve shown, which USEF rules I know about, etc, etc. I mostly try to get information on legitimate horse training issues from real life sources rather than the internet, so that’s why I’m not on those threads.

If you don’t want to disclose who PB is, you could, well, IGNORE the question instead of using it to attack me.

But that’s pretty much your style, right? (Rhetorical question; please don’t order me to “read old threads” to find the answer.)

I certainly don’t care if you, in particular, choose to “take me seriously”.

[Denali6298]

@GreenWithEnvy

Or they became bored and moved on with their lives after the same arguments repeatedly.

With the amount of emotion involved highly unlikely. They are staying silent because attorneys or they created an alter… hmmmmm newbie

[BigMama1]

@Denali6298

Because someone with lots of money and lots of time can buy horses to win without knowing the rules.

Can we for the love of god stop pretending we don’t know why Manni is getting at! And if you don’t ask her to clarify instead of attacking her? Is that possible?

1. I did not attack her.
2. I did ask her to clarify.
3. Of course I understand the point she’s making about wealthy riders in the US being able to buy upper level horses and compete them at the upper levels without first working their way up from the lower levels.

What I still don’t understand is how the USEF /USDF policy that allows competitors to enter any level, regardless of their competition experience or results, in any way caused Michael Barisone to shoot someone.

Not knowing the rules doesn’t seem to have anything to do with somebody trying to murder someone. I genuinely don’t understand the link, and according to posts above others don’t either.