Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

That’s a good point. I would hope MH has a support system/protection surrounding her from any harm or harassment whatsoever.

That’s a good point. I would hope LK has a support system/protection surrounding her from any harm or harassment whatsoever, too.

[CanteringCarrot]

@GreenWithEnvy

That’s a good point. I would hope MH has a support system/protection surrounding her from any harm or harassment whatsoever.

I would hope the same for LK! She’s already been through enough.

I think both women need a good support system after this whole thing. Possibly for different reasons.

[CanteringCarrot]

@BigMama1

My wild guess is because there isn’t sufficient evidence that she was a co-conspirator. If that evidence does come out during the discovery or trial, I assume further charges could still be laid.

Maybe it will. LK said she has recordings and all sorts of evidence. Who knows.

[YankeeDuchess]

@ladyj79

there’s a great comedy to public haandwringing about the woman who wasn’t shot while calling the woman who was shot a lying loser reprobate.

Well, the lying, loser, reprobate woman who was shot did seem to post on SM that MH won young riders just because her parents bought a really fancy horse and she was favored by the judges because she was young, thin, and blonde. 

 That was indeed an unkind and ungenerous post by LK, unfairly directed at the girlfriend of the man WHO SHOOT HER TWICE IN THE CHEST AT POINT BLANK RANGE.

[Jenerationx]

@CanteringCarrot

Maybe it will. LK said she has recordings and all sorts of evidence. Who knows.

It’s going to get interesting if that gets admitted.

[Wilbury_Pie]

@BigMama1

My wild guess is because there isn’t sufficient evidence that she was a co-conspirator. If that evidence does come out during the discovery or trial, I assume further charges could still be laid.

Yes, it would seem that if there was enough evidence to charge him with premeditation, there would have been enough to have charged any alleged co-conspirators as well. I’m not holding my breath that MH will be charged.

There is also the the possibility that he was charged with premeditation by the DA as a pressure tactic to plea. If so, it hasn’t worked thus far since trial is set for June. Time will tell.

[kande04]

@GreenWithEnvy

OMG…what state?

It’s gotta be California!

[Dragonfly90]

LK has been very harsh in her comments on the people that she feels were involved in her being shot. I however am astonished that people criticizes her for that, should she have sent them flowers and a box of candy? She fights back. You or I may not be comfortable in how she does but it is understandable.
One of the women she feels (knows?)encourage MB to do it, the other she feels(knows?) provides him with the gun.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Dragonfly90

LK has been very harsh in her comments on the people that she feels were involved in her being shot. I however am astonished that people criticizes her for that, should she have sent them flowers and a box of candy? She fights back. You or I may not be comfortable in how she does but it is understandable.
One of the women she feels (knows?)encourage MB to do it, the other she feels(knows?) provides him with the gun.

No, I can understand where she is coming from. I’m not going to criticize that.

[Wilbury_Pie]

@Dragonfly90

LK has been very harsh in her comments on the people that she feels were involved in her being shot. I however am astonished that people criticizes her for that, should she have sent them flowers and a box of candy? She fights back. You or I may not be comfortable in how she does but it is understandable.
One of the women she feels (knows?)encourage MB to do it, the other she feels(knows?) provides him with the gun.

We don’t know anything about what’s been recorded etc. Of course there is a possibility of broader context of recordings that may not be apparent to a shooting victim who may or may not be suffering from PTSD. The SM record shows that LK can be absolutely horrendous with her comments about people she feels have wronged her, and she does not appear to have any filter. This is a fact, both pre and post MB shooting.

Of course, shooting anyone is never ok. Some ER physicians in your country had wanted to post graphic photos of shooting aftermath a few years ago in relation to gun laws and mass shootings. I’m not an American, so I have no opinions on your laws and culture on this issue.

However, shooting anyone is reprehensible, and there was a lot of push back to not show real life photos.

[Haybert]

@kande04

It’s gotta be California!

Maryland per the poster

[Haybert]

@Dragonfly90

LK has been very harsh in her comments on the people that she feels were involved in her being shot. I however am astonished that people criticizes her for that, should she have sent them flowers and a box of candy? She fights back. You or I may not be comfortable in how she does but it is understandable.
One of the women she feels (knows?)encourage MB to do it, the other she feels(knows?) provides him with the gun.

Yes, to a degree understandable, but truthfully her screedy posts only serve to bulwark the anathema felt by many.

If you practice and hone your drama mama skills, don’t screech too loud when things go extremely wrong.

Whatever was between them that triggered such a strong and vehement reaction by both can only be speculated, even after the thing is done (trial, etc). I tend to think her sh!t backfired, in a bad way. MB was the wrong person to eke out a “win” from.

Most people would have left. No excuses. Period. Especially if this whole “planned to kill me” stuff has one inkling of truth, I’d be surprised anyone would stay. So there was something else between them that sparked this strong sense of “must win” that shed common sense.

[MorganSercu]

@Haybert

Maryland per the poster

Montgomery, Howard or Anne Arundel County?

[ladyj79]

Or they charged him with premeditation because he went and found or borrowed someone else’s gun, before driving over and shooting Lauren.

Just a thought.

[CanteringCarrot]

@ladyj79

Or they charged him with premeditation because he went and found or borrowed someone else’s gun, before driving over and shooting Lauren.

Just a thought.

Well, yeah.

I’m not well versed in the New Jersey legal definition of premeditated when it comes to murder, but the above seems like it would suffice from a common sense/obvious stand point.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@La-LaPopRider

I just wanted to add here- you ARE right in a lot of ways. Judges have a type - not all- but plenty. When I mentioned “body shaming,” as one of the things I reported MB to SS for, it wasn’t a little “no big deal,” thing. He did this & he did it cruelly. For example, if 4 thin, long legged (bigger chested) girls were riding in the arena - but one or two more were short, overweight & not his taste of “pretty,” he would decide to make a whole speech about it.
Personally, a coach telling students that others need to adapt their body types to look like “these 4,” or they will go nowhere I I t’s inappropriate to pin point the reasons (it’s Pervy). Plus, imagine how the other girls felt! I wish I could say competitors aren’t judged on their fashion coordination & fanciness of the horses- (despite mistakes) but that wouldn’t be entirely true.
Even people who who were around back in the day & know MB’s gf from when she was a YR & had some success - almost all of them say “it wasn’t her riding ability, for sure. Her parents bought her this big black GP stallion & add to that a thin, young blonde girl, perfectly fashioned to horse show attire - she stood out & was scored accordingly.” Mb told us all the time if he were the judge for that competition (which is where he first saw her & “fell in love” - gross- think of that fir a second) she’d have been scored a 100%” . He told us to keep that in mind & im sure those with a less than satisfactory body type (according to him,) DID keep it mind… too much.
I have ALWAYS fought really hard for 2 things re competition:
1.) Handing in your freestyle floor plan ahead time - so people can’t just make things up if they miss their next musical cue.
2.) Live-streaming all recognized shows on a YouTube Dressage channel so everyone can see whoever they want riding any test. Or, at the very least, hiring videographers for each ring to then post each persons video on a subscription only Dressage channel via YouTube.
Show costs are enormously expensive anyway. If every competitor contributed 5-10 dollars per test extra- the videographers are paid by the show management & if there is a discrepancy in the score - or, if it seemed subjective, there’s video!
Turns out, all that HAS been done is making the necessary score to perform a freestyle much higher than even a score needed for GAIGS. Which is obviously ridiculous.

One begs to wonder if you were around when this conversation was occurring, did you admonish MB for such awful remarks, were you silent, or did you participate as “one of the gang”? Forgive me, but I actually read with my own two eyes a FB post of yours recently where you and someone with the name of Rosie, Lily or Daisy (a flower name) were commenting about someone hiding behind their keyboard and the remark was made they would need to be hiding behind an 18 wheeler to not be seen, or words to that effect, and then laughing and laughing and laughing and posting your cutesy little emojis of laughter. Pot meet kettle. You apparently are known for your biting nasty remarks to those you feel are inferior to you (or you are envious of) when you have an audience of admirers.

Did you get your boob fixed before arriving in FL? One needs to present the best possible image for the best possible score since it’s all about image and not good training and ability to ride, so you say.

I would also call a 74% from the NAYRC of 2003 and a Gold Medalist more than “some success”. Back in '03 anything above 69 was considered phenomenal, particularly by someone so young. She then went on to the 2003 Waldfried Euro Cup Final in Frankfurt, Germany and placed 3rd. I wouldn’t just call that “some success”, but it is obvious you do.

(Other posters, please forgive me…I’ve seen way too many people shamed about their sexual orientation, body image, handicaps, etc to take any of this lightly. I have no idea if MB practices this type of shameful behavior, but I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes from Lauren.)

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

One begs to wonder if you were around when this conversation was occurring, did you admonish MB for such awful remarks, were you silent, or did you participate as “one of the gang”? Forgive me, but I actually read with my own two eyes a FB post of yours recently where you and someone with the name of Rosie, Lily or Daisy (a flower name) were commenting about someone hiding behind their keyboard and the remark was made they would need to be hiding behind an 18 wheeler to not be seen, or words to that effect, and then laughing and laughing and laughing and posting your cutesy little emojis of laughter. Pot meet kettle. You apparently are known for your biting nasty remarks to those you feel are inferior to you (or you are envious of) when you have an audience of admirers.

Did you get your boob fixed before arriving in FL? One needs to present the best possible image for the best possible score since it’s all about image and not good training and ability to ride, so you say.

I would also call a 74% from the NAYRC of 1993 and a Gold Medalist more than “some success”. Back in '93 anything above 69 was considered phenomenal.

(Other posters, please forgive me…I’ve seen way too many people shamed about their sexual orientation, body image, handicaps, etc to take any of this lightly. I have no idea if MB practices this type of shameful behavior, but I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes from Lauren.)

Oh my goodness. Clutching my tiara.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

Oh my goodness. Clutching my tiara.

Do you even have a clue what the “tiara” refers to in this situation? It isn’t about you and your duchessness.

[Moderator_1]

@Jealoushe

well it is interesting, because on one thread I commented and someone commented immediately afterward that I was there to report the thread to mods to have it shut down again. How would they know, I reported an innapropriate post the first time on the other thread??

I mean, I agree mods should partake but they also have to leave their personal agendas at the door then, and also shouldn’t out posters who report posts.

I saw it mentioned on another board, so then I figured maybe there was some truth behind it. But again, just speculation.

I have no idea of the posting habits of previous mods, but I absolutely do not participate in threads, other than one I started years ago to ask for some information for personal use.

[Mersidoats]

@La-LaPopRider

perhaps you should “verify,” my score averages… lowest, highest, and medians. The ONLY horse my score average could possibly be in the high 50’s… is , ironically, the GP schoolmaster I bought from Michael. The horses I bought to train myself (who cares they were imported?) with a trainer on the ground- have mid 60’s medians. One really bad score can bring an otherwise high score averaging horse to a median which isn’t the same as “your average score.” No one has perfect rides … or we’d all have 100%s every time. For example, my 4th level average is 62 or something. I’ve ridden 4-3 once and that was my score. Hardly an “average.” Had I not been shot, I’d have been at HITS on the 15th riding it again every day plus my first CDI at PSG. I’d have been riding my other horses at 3-3 to practice for GAIGS which were just a few weeks away. Qualifiers were earned prior to that.
If you ever DO bother to “investigate,” you’ll find most horses and riders (even the best one’s) have scores ranging from the 40’s to high 70’s. That’s the result of competing at as many available shows as possible. Another result of doing that is… experience & learning. And, year end awards- national, zone/region & all breed awards.
Ftr- the two “BNT,” trainers I have now have scores all over the place. But, they’ve both ridden in the Olympics and have other world class competition victories… That’s good enough for me! No complaints here.

You should double check that whole CDI thing - You should stop repeating this because it’s just not true. You were not set to compete in the small tour CDI. you were entered into the national classes.