Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[YankeeDuchess]

@Brown Derby

JMO, but I am now firmly convinced that this thread is being cultivated to prevent horse people from serving on the jury. Bonus points for hints and teasers for what might be on the tapes (which most likely would be inadmissible in court.)

@Happy Talk: It’s been going on for centuries. Family pressure, Grandma’s potions, getting pushed down the stairs; you get the picture.

   I think it’s fairly unlikely that horse people would be on the jury, with or without these threads. 

    But if that were the goal, is it pro-MB to try to prevent horse people from being on the jury?  Which side would that favor?

[GiveEmEl]

@YankeeDuchess

My apology to GiveEmEl was not backhanded, but it was insincere. I was tempted to point out at the time that “backhanded” =/= “insincere”, but restrained myself.

I sometimes do apologize sincerely, but also do use the insincere apology. Last time I used it, I think, was to apologize (insincerely) to smoofox for my taking “affront” for what I imagined were insults.

Sometimes, if I want to stress that the apology is sincere, I’ll write “I apologize (genuine)”. Sometimes the simple “I apologize” is sincere, but sometimes it is not sincere.

So, GiveEmEl, I noticed that at one point you did very clearly retract the claim that LK had been asked to leave a barn in NC but had refused to leave, since it was mere rumor, and not known to you based on information from a principal. And apologized. Kudos to GiveEmEl.

However, within about two pages, GreenWithEnvy appears and says she, GreenWithEnvy was not there, she is never at the center of things herself, but she is knows of “others” (multiple people) in NC who are certain that “LK was asked to leave a barn, … “ yadda, yadda, yadda.

Sort of looks like a tag team act. GiveEmEl apologizes for spreading a rumor, and takes it off the table. Very quickly, GreenWithEnvy picks the rumor up off the floor, dusts it off, and gingerly puts it back on the table, asserting that “others” know it to be true. Disgusting.

I’m not responsible for what GWE posts. I stand behind my retraction. I heard it from someone at that farm, doesn’t make it true. Which is why I apologized (sincerely). I wasn’t aware GWE was going to pick it back up.
I even messaged a mod to remove all traces of the name of the farm so it was not perpetuated. I don’t know what more I can do.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@GiveEmEl

I’m not responsible for what GWE posts. I stand behind my retraction. I heard it from someone at that farm, doesn’t make it true. Which is why I apolo

UH-O!!! You, I, and @YankeeDuchess all posted within seconds of each other!! Are we the same person???

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

If LK is supposed to be the Jack Nicholson character, can I remind you that she is not the defendant in a criminal trial?

Please point out exactly where in my post I specified which person was the Jack Nicholson character.

[alibi_18]

@smoofox

Careful. Even though what you are suggesting is absolutely in LK’s best interests, you may be the focus of a stern, sanctimonious lecture from YD about how rude/awful/evil (pick whatever adjective you like) it is of you to actually suggest to LK that posting is not helping her in any way.

Lauren - it is not helping. It may feel cathartic - but ranting about MH is not going to help you…

Thanks for the advice, but I’ve been around for a long time and I really couldn’t care less about YD.

[La-LaPopRider]

@BigMama1

My view, for what it’s worth…

LK clearly played a role in the unravelling of her relationship with MB. Whatever it was that a happened, both she and he bear some responsibility - and likely there are other people involved.

That still doesn’t mean she played a role in getting shot. Getting shot is not a reasonable or predictable outcome of an ongoing dispute with someone, even a nasty one.

The SHOOTING did come out of the blue. The dispute did not.

I just felt the need to say here, (Bc I feel it’s very important) we e honestly didn’t play any sort of role in the souring of the relationship. Mb & MH wanted it soured (Mh most of all) for specific reasons which I can’t share. It had to be done right then. MH had been working on setting it all up for weeks & weeks. Don’t forget, mb took me to Gladstone to grab my 4-3 Q score on July 25 & 26. There was some tension… but he told me the reason - which I already knew. MH was FURIOUS that he took me. But the show went well & police were called not once. We were shot 10 days later.

There is so much people don’t know which will be brought to light at the trial. But, I can absolutely assure you (and anyone else) we had nothing to do with what they did to us- before the shooting and even after!!! (Day my father & Guy went to barn to collect stuff & check the horses & MH called 911 in her fakest “I’m so afraid for my life,” voice, claiming she was called a POS and people were “coming to get them.”) I’ve said this before but- neither my father nor guy ever saw MH. Didn’t even know she was there. Plus, had my father seen MH… he’d have said not two words to her. Pretty low & scummy to falsify a 911 report against a partially deaf, 70 year old man whose daughter maybe dead once he returns. But she had to keep her pattern of lies going- even as I lay in coma - doctors unsure if I’d make it - just to add to my fathers grief. He only accompanied guy to make sure no one tried to kill him & bc his hand was broken. MH is just scum. Absolute scum.

By the time we made the right decision to report him to SS - the damage they caused had been done. It was just a matter of getting the horses safely to another trainer. (whole other story.) Which is why it was so surprising when mb came to apartment asking what he could do to make everything alright again. However ridiculous a notion, once a trainer gets in your head for that long tellling you if you ever leave there- he will destroy your Dressage career w one call, you want to believe him when he comes over & pretends to want to “fix things,” and asks what he can do to help that happen. That is masterminded manipulation. A skill MB had very well honed. As did MH.

[YankeeDuchess]

@smoofox

Careful. Even though what you are suggesting is absolutely in LK’s best interests, you may be the focus of a stern, sanctimonious lecture from YD about how rude/awful/evil (pick whatever adjective you like) it is of you to actually suggest to LK that posting is not helping her in any way.

Lauren - it is not helping. It may feel cathartic - but ranting about MH is not going to help you…

Please use the quote function to document that I called you rude, awful, or evil.

I did point out, in response to your sarcastic (but apparently not contemptuous) instructions to me, that given that Lauren has a lawyer father and a team of lawyers, she would probably take advice from them on the advisability of posting or not posting, rather than from an anonymous poster, such as yourself, however well intentioned your “advice” is.

Perhaps you could give the anti-LK posters some advice on whether they should continue to post, or should attempt to erase past posts, given the possibility of a libel suit against them. Or a USEF bullying investigation.

[MHM]

@La-LaPopRider

I just felt the need to say here, (Bc I feel it’s very important) we e honestly didn’t play any sort of role in the souring of the relationship. Mb & MH wanted it soured (Mh most of all) for specific reasons which I can’t share. It had to be done right then. MH had been working on setting it all up for weeks & weeks. Don’t forget, mb took me to Gladstone to grab my 4-3 Q score on July 25 & 26. There was some tension… but he told me the reason - which I already knew. MH was FURIOUS that he took me. But the show went well & police were called not once. We were shot 10 days later.

There is so much people don’t know which will be brought to light at the trial. But, I can absolutely assure you (and anyone else) we had nothing to do with what they did to us- before the shooting and even after!!! (Day my father & Guy went to barn to collect stuff & check the horses & MH called 911 in her fakest “I’m so afraid for my life,” voice, claiming she was called a POS and people were “coming to get them.”) I’ve said this before but- neither my father nor guy ever saw MH. Didn’t even know she was there. Plus, had my father seen MH… he’d have said not two words to her. Pretty low & scummy to falsify a 911 report against a partially deaf, 70 year old man whose daughter maybe dead once he returns. But she had to keep her pattern of lies going- even as I lay in coma - doctors unsure if I’d make it - just to add to my fathers grief. He only accompanied guy to make sure no one tried to kill him & bc his hand was broken. MH is just scum. Absolute scum.

By the time we made the right decision to report him to SS - the damage they caused had been done. It was just a matter of getting the horses safely to another trainer. (whole other story.) Which is why it was so surprising when mb came to apartment asking what he could do to make everything alright again. However ridiculous a notion, once a trainer gets in your head for that long tellling you if you ever leave there- he will destroy your Dressage career w one call, you want to believe him when he comes over & pretends to want to “fix things,” and asks what he can do to help that happen. That is masterminded manipulation. A skill MB had very well honed. As did MH.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

Please point out exactly where in my post I specified which person was the Jack Nicholson character.

   In the reference to a few good mean, which side do you see as the Jack Nicholson character? The character who disastrously spills the beans?

[GreenWithEnvy]

So we now are being threatened (at least warned by @YankeeDuchess) with libel suits or SS investigations for posting screenshots or anything that does not support LK. Amazing. That warning actually goes both ways. I doubt MH would be pleased at the accusations being thrown at her on a public forum.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

OMG…LK stated MB body-shamed students to other students and insinuated that was one of the reasons she contacted SS. I called her out asking if she confronted him about the statements, played along or ignored them. She made a deal out of how bad that was of a human to do, and I recalled she does the same thing, hence my pot=kettle remark. In my original post, I clearly said the words were my recollection. I don’t have the perfect memory you obviously do. So it was a jumbo jet instead of an 18 wheeler…even worse. I posted the screenshot because LK demanded I provide proof of my allegations. WTH is wrong with you?

As far as me or other posters being argumentative, take a long hard look at your posts. The majority of them are argumentative and condescending.

I NEVER SAID SHE DESERVED TO BE SHOT BECAUSE OF HER POSTS (sorry I forgot to add the obligatory statement to all my posts). BTW, this post was AFTER she was shot…LK has not changed in any way regarding behavior.

I am NOT GEE and will not clarify that again.

The vast majority of my posts are argumentative, and some of them are definitely condescending. True. True. True.

You have many times attempted to construe and have flat out stated that you think MB is the victim. Not going to rehash it, argue it, provide post numbers.

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

In the reference to a few good mean, which side do you see as the Jack Nicholson character? The character who disastrously spills the beans?

Once again, where in my post did I specify which person was the Nicholson character? I did not specify.

However, it’s interesting that you seemed to jump to the conclusion that LK would be the Nicholson character proven to be in the wrong when the facts came out.

[CanteringCarrot]

I really hope that LK is telling the truth here. Otherwise…that’s going to be really awkward. The trial should be interesting either way.

Usually, in my experience, when a relationship sours, the fault is never 100% on one side. However, that’s just my very limited experience.

I still think if what LK says is true regarding MH’s role in this, MH will be/should be changed with something in the near-ish future. Unless there is simply no evidence or something like that. By that I mean she did in fact do something but there is just no admissible proof.

I still cannot imagine what drives people to act like this. To plot to murder someone. To actually shoot someone. Mid-day even. Again, I have no idea where MB was going with this. Nuts.

[CanteringCarrot]

@YankeeDuchess

The vast majority of my posts are argumentative, and some of them are definitely condescending. True. True. True.

You have many times attempted to construe and have flat out stated that you think MB is the victim. Not going to rehash it, argue it, provide post numbers.

Hmmm.

[smoofox]

@YankeeDuchess

Please use the quote function to document that I called you rude, awful, or evil.

Please note that I said you can pick whatever adjective you like. Once again, you focus on semantics…

I did point out, in response to your sarcastic (but apparently not contemptuous) instructions to me, that given that Lauren has a lawyer father and a team of lawyers, she would probably take advice from them on the advisability of posting or not posting, rather than from an anonymous poster, such as yourself, however well intentioned your “advice” is.

As I said, some of us have posted our concerns about some of her posts. That is what you do on a forum. You share thoughts and concerns. And yet you always feel the need to condemn and sneer - even though a concern is “well-intentioned”. Why should you - an anonymous poster on a bb - present yourself as a champion for LK all while seemingly encouraging her to continue on in a manner that does not appear to be in her best interests? How can all this ranting about MB and MH and alters and what not possible help?

Perhaps you could give the anti-LK posters some advice on whether they should continue to post, or should attempt to erase past posts, given the possibility of a libel suit against them. Or a USEF bullying investigation.

ONE LAST TIME. LK is the focus of this thread due to the tragic events that changed so many lives. She is involved in an upcoming trial. Everything she says or does or types could come into play. I was not aware that we all must cowtow to your “rules and regs” about how you think everyone else should post as you brush aside genuine observations and concerns in your rush to gleefully snark back.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

So we now are being threatened (at least warned by @YankeeDuchess) with libel suits or SS investigations for posting screenshots or anything that does not support LK. Amazing. That warning actually goes both ways. I doubt MH would be pleased at the accusations being thrown at her on a public forum.

  I thought LK already has a civil suit against close associates of MB for harassment/defamation. Could be wrong. 

   If she is is alleging bullying, that would be a USEF investigation, not SS. 

   For those still wondering about my identity, it has been noted that I joined July 3, 2019 shortly after the Gage suicide, and according to Denali have participated in only 4 threads. The two SS ones (RG and GM) plus the two most recent MB/LK ones. Weird.

[La-LaPopRider]

@Mersidoats

You should double check that whole CDI thing - You should stop repeating this because it’s just not true. You were not set to compete in the small tour CDI. you were entered into the national classes.

This post might actually warrant a screenshot of my class entry & some emails sent back n forth from me to the show organizer. It’s Sunday. I’ll wait to confirm with lawyers tomorrow if I permission to shut you down on this one. And um… FYI- had I arrived to find I was in the wrong class- it would’ve been changed immediately. I remember signing up for that show like it were yesterday. I didn’t opt to participate in the SWEEPSTAKES CDI class. Believe this- (or don’t/ I really don’t GAF) - I screenshot EVERY single page of an online show entry. There have been too many mistakes over stall amounts & shavings & classes to risk forgetting to take screenshots of every single page once it’s filled out. Bless your heart, though.

[MHM]

@La-LaPopRider

This post might actually warrant a screenshot of my class entry & some emails sent back n forth from me to the show organizer. It’s Sunday. I’ll wait to confirm with lawyers tomorrow if I permission to shut you down on this one. And um… FYI- had I arrived to find I was in the wrong class- it would’ve been changed immediately. I remember signing up for that show like it were yesterday. I didn’t opt to participate in the SWEEPSTAKES CDI class. Believe this- (or don’t/ I really don’t GAF) - I screenshot EVERY single page of an online show entry. There have been too many mistakes over stall amounts & shavings & classes to risk forgetting to take screenshots of every single page once it’s filled out. Bless your heart, though.

[YankeeDuchess]

@smoofox

   Thanks for acknowledging that I did not call you rude, awful, or evil. 

    LK is not the defendant in the criminal trial. The issue (an issue) is whether some of the newbie screen names are people close to the MB side of the case. Since you had well intentioned advice for LK, I thought you might have well intentioned advice for any of the ant-LK posters, such as Green. Apparently not. 

   Standard disclosure: I don’t know for a fact that Green is GEE. I don’t know who Green is in real life. 

   However, on many, many occasions, I have read a post of Green, and thought, well, how would you know that?

   Example  Regarding the Sarah Nir NYT article, Green

stated that the interviews took place in Sept even though the article was published Oct 15. How does Green know when people were interviewed for the NYT article unless she’s an insider?

[Denali6298]

@YankeeDuchess

Thanks for acknowledging that I did not call you rude, awful, or evil.

LK is not the defendant in the criminal trial. The issue (an issue) is whether some of the newbie screen names are people close to the MB side of the case. Since you had well intentioned advice for LK, I thought you might have well intentioned advice for any of the ant-LK posters, such as Green. Apparently not.

Standard disclosure: I don’t know for a fact that Green is GEE. I don’t know who Green is in real life.

However, on many, many occasions, I have read a post of Green, and thought, well, how would you know that?

Example Regarding the Sarah Nir NYT article, Green
stated that the interviews took place in Sept even though the article was published Oct 15. How does Green know when people were interviewed for the NYT article unless she’s an insider?

They could have messaged her here or on FB. She is very responsive to the horsey set and also reads here. Why does it have to be nefarious? Hell her and Sarah could be friends.