Barisone Safe Sport Update

[Maria]

nope he wasn’t.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Even in the extreme case of being told you leave within three days on Aug 6, why would you feel you had to pack out within 24 hours to avoid being shot?

Really? To avoid being shot? Ok.

Even in the extreme case of being told you leave within three days on Aug 6, why would you… call building inspector, call ss, ninja thru the woods, etc etc etc

[MorganSercu]

@DownYonder

he attends regular counseling and receive additional psychiatric evaluations for a certain period of time. And if that is the case, I would not expect SS/USEF to drop his suspension until such time as he has been FULLY released from obligations to the State.

See, I think at that point they could drop him from the suspension because if he attends as required by the state, then really what reason do they have to deny him full membership?

It would be kinda silly to require him to live in New Jersey and attend counseling there, IMO. He can see qualified professionals near his home in Florida where he will have people who support him on hand.

But of course, the judge and the state have to weigh the report from AK.

Hurry up and wait seems to be the theme!

[MHM]

@Maria

So $5000.00 for 5 horses, doesn’t add up in my mind.

I agree that the math doesn’t add up.

But just to clarify, weren’t there four LK horses at the New Jersey property at that time? With the fifth one still in quarantine at a different location?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

Of course SS could impose restrictions on him, up to a lifetime ban, based on their own investigation, even if he is released without restrictions by the criminal justice system.

That would make for a very interesting case for violation of civil rights, esp. since he was acquitted and esp. once he is released with restrictions.

A violation of his constitutional rights? Is that what you mean by civil rights? Your constitutional rights apply to how the criminal justice system treats you, not how SS treats you. That’s why SS may come to a different determination.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@Maria

So $5000.00 for 5 horses, doesn’t add up in my mind.

I agree that the math doesn’t add up.

But just to clarify, weren’t there four LK horses at the New Jersey property at that time? With the fifth one still in quarantine at a different location?

I believe so.

But like the number of bullet holes, gun shots, and many other things, the quantity described changed frequently in LK’s stories.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m glad you’re not worried on MBs behalf. It remains a fact that SS is investigating his role in the shooting. Shooting someone violates the SS code.

I tend to disagree with your statement. The jury has ruled on the shooting and SS changed their description of MB shortly after. My personal belief is SS is waiting for his release and ability to arrange a hearing with them or review any restrictions he may be under once released. I personally believe the only SS/USEF investigation going on currently is directed toward Kanarek via the 700+ page document sent by MHG/MB. Do you have better information than my assumptions?

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@eggbutt

Wait, someone is deleting posts? Oh my. Imagine that. I will freely admit I deleted one post I made yesterday that made no sense whatsoever

It is entirely possible that it was the mods themselves that deleted some posts.

Entirely possible. But I believe when the mods delete a post, there is no trace of it left whatsoever.

I think the post Eggbutt referred to showed a message saying that the post had been deleted by the person who made it in the first place.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

Edited to add that if Taylor wants regular counseling/evaluations, I wonder if he will not allow him to leave the state until such time as he is eligible for full release.

A previous poster with experience in this has said that transferability to another state was highly likely. He is not a prisoner and he does have rights. Mental health commitments are no longer really a thing in the US barring the guilty but insane criminal situations….which we do not have in this case.

[Maria]

Yep it did. Sorry if I got the number of horses incorrect, even so, in NJ in that area, at that type of training facility, where just plain old fashioned horse board can be over $1000.00 per horse. Then you would need to add training to that for I am guessing another $1000.00 per month per horse. I am betting I am using the low end of the cost spectrum. That is a steal of a deal.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@KurPlexed

@CurrentlyHorseless

Even in the extreme case of being told you leave within three days on Aug 6, why would you feel you had to pack out within 24 hours to avoid being shot?

Really? To avoid being shot? Ok.

Even in the extreme case of being told you leave within three days on Aug 6, why would you… call building inspector, call ss, ninja thru the woods, etc etc etc

She didn’t believe in her heart of hearts that she would actually be shot. How was she supposed to know he was delusional and insane if MHG and RC had not noticed?

She called SS because she was being bullied and wanted to report MB for the bullying. She called the BI because at that point she did want to harass him. If I had been in her shoes, I would have interpreted his 5 calls to 911 as attempts at intimidation and harassment. I’m not convinced the ninja through the woods happened.

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

So does anyone have a general idea how long until Safe Sport makes a final determination on Michael Barisone’s membership? I suspect they are waiting until after his evaluation hearing.

I don’t have any knowledge of safe sport’s timeline, but it seems like that would not be an unreasonable plan.

[eggbutt]

@MorganSercu

But of course, the judge and the state have to weigh the report from AK.

And based on Seeker1 saying Taylor had told her MB was guilty after hearing the recordings is deeply troubling to me. Why was a judge involved with any discovery pretrial and why did he form an opinion and share it with Kirby Kanarek? Is he a family friend? Regardless, her comment sure reeks of bias. He should not be involved in the evaluation phase of MB’s AK report.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If I had been in her shoes, I would have interpreted his 5 calls to 911 as attempts at intimidation and harassment.

If I had been in her shoes (which I will never be in her shoes but I am playing along), I would take his 5 calls to 911 as it being VERY clear that I am not wanted and I should leave and I should take the offered help from several friends on Facebook and my unlimited means and get myself out of there.

I would also take those 5 calls to 911 as a man desperate for help in a situation, and the reason there are 5 calls, not just one call or two calls, because the problem in the situation has gone all “finish the bastard”.

[trubandloki]

@eggbutt

And based on Seeker1 saying Taylor had told her MB was guilty after hearing the recordings is deeply troubling to me. Why was a judge involved with any discovery pretrial and why did he form an opinion and share it with Kirby Kanarek? Is he a family friend? Regardless, her comment sure reeks of bias. He should not be involved in the evaluation phase of MB’s AK report.

This is a good point. Is there some way to bring this problem up to the court system? It is kind of scary if this happened.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

@DownYonder

Edited to add that if Taylor wants regular counseling/evaluations, I wonder if he will not allow him to leave the state until such time as he is eligible for full release.

A previous poster with experience in this has said that transferability to another state was highly likely. He is not a prisoner and he does have rights. Mental health commitments are no longer really a thing in the US barring the guilty but insane criminal situations….which we do not have in this case.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m not convinced the ninja through the woods happened.

Didn’t two people see her? And that is a pretty far-fetched thing to “make up.”

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m not convinced the ninja through the woods happened.

Oh goodness. Someone testified to this under oath and you are not convinced it happened. Yet, when I say I don’t believe sworn testimony I am argued with for days on end. Hmmmm.

[roseymare]

Exactly.

Why hire the lawyer unless they were wanting to fight.

This is not seemingly a situation where one is left homeless with an eviction and needed to fight it.

This is a situation where they wanted to fight it.

[Maria]

Perhaps bring is up the the NJ Bar Association