Barisone Safe Sport Update

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Add that to the LK post about only needing 3 shots or bullets and it gets even more disturbing,

[BigMama1]

@subk

This is not a accurate statement. A permanent ban as I understand it prevents a USEF member from having any contact with a banned former member regardless of whether they are interacting outside the jurisdiction of the USEF. In practical matters it prevents them from earning a living. That goes far beyond “being kicked out of a club.”

In theory, yes. In practice, no. Have a read of some of the SafeSport threads in the other forums and you’ll find many examples of those with permanent bans who still teach, train, coach, associate with current members and even get paid large sums of money to give clinics.

[subk]

“In theory”–you mean as per USEF policy? " In practice" you are saying they don’t follow the policy. Of course not, the reason people get around it is precisely because the USEF is well aware that their policy is beyond the legal scope of their authority and they can’t challenge people who don’t follow it without risking someone pushing back and exposing it.

You are proving my point here.

You are admitting that this organization that claims they provide “due process” for the accused has policy that is willfully ignored–probably because it is illegal–and apparently everybody knows it. This is why the reality is that as serious as the transgressions dealing with them outside the law is highly problematic. This is the very definition of a kangaroo kourt and no amount of lipstick will change it. This has alway been my fundamental problem with SS.

[roseymare]

@KurPlexed

Betcha you never had to deal with someone like LK and Co.

this is my belief about this poster. I don’t necessarily believe they are connected to the players in this saga at all. Until you have met someone like this you tend not to understand it.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

Seems someone was planning for a trial before the shooting. I wonder how SS will take the fact that LK admits to attempting to manipulate the police.

The very sad thing is the original prosecutor had all this information in discovery and did nothing. They all fawned all over the Kanareks and their revolving door of lawyers. What a shame.

There’s no way all this won’t be introduced in the civil trials.

By the way, I wonder if this screenprint made it into the package sent to USEF?

But wait, she was just kidding and lying, right?

[KurPlexed]

Phew. Thank you for a great post. Some good insight there.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

Did MHG “start a relationship with MB in 2015” or did she attend her first clinic and became friends with him? I don’t know…but I believe those who’s testimony I heard.

She testified she met him as a teenager and their relationship started in 2015.

[GiveEmEl]

For sure! In theory none of the events of August 6th and the last 2+ years would have happened.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

She testified she met him as a teenager and their relationship started in 2015.

So who were you dating in 2015??

[KurPlexed]

@Sdel

Seems

She’s such a peach. Just a little problematic boarder. Nothing to see here. More importantly lets get back to MB and his virility. That’s the bigger issue.

[GiveEmEl]

Wow, I hadn’t looked at SS from this viewpoint and now I’m cringing. So people like Rob Gage (though of course he’s deceased) and GM could train kids if their parents so decided? That’s a dangerous position. You can sanction but you can’t uphold the sanction because it’s not a legal decision. Yikes.

[KurPlexed]

Again. Thank you for the great post. Totally agree.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@Sdel

Seems someone was planning for a trial before the shooting. I wonder how SS will take the fact that LK admits to attempting to manipulate the police.

The very sad thing is the original prosecutor had all this information in discovery and did nothing. They all fawned all over the Kanareks and their revolving door of lawyers. What a shame.

There’s no way all this won’t be introduced in the civil trials.

By the way, I wonder if this screenprint made it into the package sent to USEF?

But wait, she was just kidding and lying, right?

Speculation.

[eggbutt]

[Sdel]

@subk

You are admitting that this organization that claims they provide “due process” for the accused has policy that is willfully ignored–probably because it is illegal–and apparently everybody knows it. This is why the reality is that as serious as the transgressions dealing with them outside the law is highly problematic. This is the very definition of a kangaroo kourt and no amount of lipstick will change it. This has alway been my fundamental problem with SS.

Thank you for your posts. I am uncomfortable with SS because it reminds me too much of civil courts and the various injustices that are put forward there. Judges that simply don’t follow the law, choose who will win a case based on perceived gender bias, wealth, prestige, and /or political connections, and with very little accountability or availability of redress by the average citizen.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@Sdel

Seems someone was planning for a trial before the shooting. I wonder how SS will take the fact that LK admits to attempting to manipulate the police.

The very sad thing is the original prosecutor had all this information in discovery and did nothing. They all fawned all over the Kanareks and their revolving door of lawyers. What a shame.

There’s no way all this won’t be introduced in the civil trials.

By the way, I wonder if this screenprint made it into the package sent to USEF?

But wait, she was just kidding and lying, right?

Speculation.

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

The very sad thing is the original prosecutor had all this information in discovery and did nothing. They all fawned all over the Kanareks and their revolving door of lawyers. What a shame.

There’s no way all this won’t be introduced in the civil trials.

By the way, I wonder if this screenprint made it into the package sent to USEF?

But wait, she was just kidding and lying, right?

At a minimum, the point of claiming to have a plant on the inside is to spread fear, distrust, and create infighting and drama amongst a group. It was specifically designed to prey on someone’s mental state.

[eggbutt]

I seriously doubt she had a plant of any kind. She had no friends there other than RG. She’s so clever. /s

[Scribbler]

@ekat

@IPEsq

And didn’t see it posted - this is the definition of Criminal Disposition.

It is a violation of the Code for a Participant to be or have been subject to any disposition or resolution of a criminal proceeding, other than an adjudication of not guilty, including, but not limited to: an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation, a plea to the charge or a lesser included offense, a plea of no contest, any plea analogous to an Alford or Kennedy plea, the disposition of the proceeding through a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, deferred prosecution, disposition of supervision, conditional dismissal, juvenile delinquency adjudication, or similar arrangement.

In reading the SS code, I find this paragraph interesting, and a little concerning:

“Effect of Criminal or Civil Proceedings

Because the standards for finding a violation of criminal law are different from the standards for finding a violation of the Code, the resolution of a criminal proceeding without a Criminal Disposition is not determinative of (but may be relevant to) whether a violation of the Code has occurred. Conduct may violate the Code even if the Respondent is not charged, prosecuted or convicted for the behavior that could constitute a potential violation of the Code, is acquitted of a criminal charge, or legal authorities decline to prosecute. Apart from the application of the Code as it relates to Criminal Charge(s) and Disposition(s), the Center’s resolution will not be precluded merely because (a) a civil case or criminal charges involving the same incident or conduct have been filed, (b) criminal charges have been dismissed or reduced; or © a civil lawsuit has been settled or dismissed.”

It’s concerning because they say right there that their decision won’t be based on any criminal disposition including an acquittal. That seems concerning for more people than just MB.

It’s interesting because of the blurb about a civil lawsuit. Would they (could they) hold off on doing anything until the civil suit is over?

I know very, very little about SafeSport. And based on my very basic googling today, it appears a lot of their processes, procedures, and investigations are a mystery to a lot of people. Am I wrong there?

Most of SS in all sports has been about sexual abuse of minors. SS will act even if the minor (present or past) refuses to participate in court procedings or if the statute of limitations has passed. Or if the coach wins his court case but its obvious he did mess with minors. Etc.

Sexual crimes are often much harder to successfully prosecute than other kinds of crime, and harder on the complainant too.

I don’t think if a coach was say accused of theft and then proved innocent that SS would continue to penalize. I think this language is specifically with sex crimes in mind.

Also SS will ban for behaviour that does not reach the level needed for criminal prosecution.

[Knights_Mom]

Someone asked for this