Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[MHM]

@FitzE

For me the issue was that their stories (i) didn’t match each other; (ii) didn’t match what they each told the police at various times; and (iii) didn’t match what has been repeated here for 2+ years. They also were revealed to have lied many times and the gamesmanship on the stand came across as dishonest/shifty and left an overall impression that their recall and version of events was not trustworthy.

Because of that, many people across the various platforms started to say things like, “Did he even shoot her?” [NB: I’m not saying he did or didn’t; just reporting the reactions to esp RG’s testimony] Even though they are not on trial, as you note, their version of events is THE version and, if it falls apart - or even if it just creates room for reasonable doubt - then the whole case starts to fall apart. I’m particularly disturbed by no forensics on the gun - no finger prints or DNA analysis. If I’m a juror, that’s a HUGE hole for me. Show me evidence that MB every held that gun.

Even if I want the defendant to go down and I’m convinced he’s guilty as sin, I cannot put the gun in his hand other than from the testimony of two people who were proven to lie (i.e., said under oath that they lie plus where shown to have given differing accounts of many things at different times though different media, not just their accounts of the incident), one of whom was belligerent, arrogant, and disrespectful of the court and jurors, and both of whom were VERY evasive on the stand. Add the illegal drug stuff, the vow to ‘destroy’ people, the SM posts, etc., never was there a better use of the phrase,“not a good look”.

All excellent points, although the jury probably won’t know or care about what’s been posted here for the last two years. But their stories didn’t even match under oath for two DAYS, either with each other or with their own previous testimony.

I can imagine giving someone a little leeway for fuzziness on some details due to the passage of time or stressful circumstances, but that comes up against a brick wall once you hear that they were plotting MB’s destruction in advance, with the receipts to prove it. That casts an entirely new light on the whole situation.

How could anyone not have reasonable doubt when they are the source of the whole version of events with no corroboration?

[Angela_Freda]

@FitzE

So, I agree that the heavy involvement of the father was a bombshell for me. I also thought that, as an attorney and a parent and a grown up,

Lets not forget, LK is also a grown up, of over 40

[3PonyFarm]

I was watching some of the legal people who were commenting for the various shows covering the trial and they were saying what a great job MHG did for the defense being that she was a prosecution witness.

Also, does anyone remember if the first cop to arrive testified to giving MB the painkiller at the scene?

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

I also felt some pity that this is how these people move through life with such aggression, entitlement, anger, hatred, and vengeance. But, one thing brought me up short on the pity party: the almost pathological lack of self-awareness and empathy of any kind.

Your entire post was fantastic. I am quoting this part only to say that I feel revulsion - not pity - about how they move through life. They remind me of a documentary I watched about Cleopatra - how the Egyptian pharaohs and their families were trained from earliest childhood to exterminate anyone who got in the way of what they wanted, with absolutely no sense of empathy or remorse. (Only difference is that the pharaohs would murder their own parents, children, siblings if they thought they might be or become a threat.)

[MHM]

@3PonyFarm

I was watching some of the legal people who were commenting for the various shows covering the trial and they were saying what a great job MHG did for the defense being that she was a prosecution witness.

Also, does anyone remember if the first cop to arrive testified to giving MB the painkiller at the scene?

I don’t remember that subject coming up with the first cop. But would the prosecutor be likely to include it in the ground he wanted to cover?

Also, where are you guys finding all these legal discussions online? I haven’t seen any of those yet.

[DownYonder]

That is a wonderful story of redemption. You have every right to be so proud of her.

[haleybot]

Thanks, I am ok. I had really wanted to testify. However, LK did such a great job proving/admitting that she lies on SM that I feel a lot better now that EVERYONE knows she LIES and her written posts can’t be taken as truth. I still need to have my cyber stalking case heard, but I wonder if I can file for defamation now that it’s in evidence that she lies on SM?

[Angela_Freda]

@3PonyFarm

I was watching some of the legal people who were commenting for the various shows covering the trial and they were saying what a great job MHG did for the defense being that she was a prosecution witness

DH and I watched RC testify and felt the same, she was credible, and really not a witness that made the prosecution case, but rather added to the defenses case.

[Angela_Freda]

@3PonyFarm

Also, does anyone remember if the first cop to arrive testified to giving MB the painkiller at the scene?

What? Heymer, I believe is EMS trained, which is why he had and used the first aid items he had (if I’m remembering correctly) while waiting for the ambulance which transported her to the hospital (not medivac chopper as previously claimed)

[LiberalSnowflake]

I honestly don’t even know if MB shot her anymore, and there was ZERO doubt in my mind about that before the trial started. Even though he’s admitted it, he’s also claiming insanity, so he might not have that right. Until I watched these few days of the trial, I would have said 100% that MB shot LK, now there’s reasonable doubt - and I can’t believe I’m saying that.

[eggbutt]

@3PonyFarm

Also, does anyone remember if the first cop to arrive testified to giving MB the painkiller at the scene?

MB was given nothing by the police at the scene.

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

one of whom was belligerent, arrogant, and disrespectful of the court and jurors

@FitzE

RG couldn’t be bothered to prepare even so much as to bring his glasses (though he did so the day before for the prosecution, hmmmm) and that failure was causing delays as he used huge amounts of everyone’s time for totally avoidable nonsense. He was shockingly aggressive, evasive, and rude to Mr. Bilinkas.

I have been able to see only a couple minutes of video but RG’s expression of utter contempt, disdain, and scorn when he looked at Bilinkas reminded me the way Hillary looked at Trump during that debate. As though they truly believed the other person was so far beneath them they couldn’t believe they were having to interact with them in a civilized way. The arrogance and aura of superiority really creeped me out. (And yes, I know Trump had/has his own issues with arrogance, but that is not the point of my post.)

[eggbutt]

@haleybot

Thanks, I am ok. I had really wanted to testify. However, LK did such a great job proving/admitting that she lies on SM that I feel a lot better now that EVERYONE knows she LIES and her written posts can’t be taken as truth. I still need to have my cyber stalking case heard, but I wonder if I can file for defamation now that it’s in evidence that she lies on SM?

I wonder if Ed Bilinkas would take your case??

[3PonyFarm]

I think one of the posters who watched and reported on the hearing that included the first cop said that he gave MB fentanyl for pain. I thought there was a discussion about how it could have been responsible for mb’s comments that the State wanted admitted into evidence. I do remember the cop testifying that he was emt trained.

[3PonyFarm]

I must be going crazy!

[MHM]

@FitzE

they even thought that RG looked most likely to be the bully in the situation given his aggressive obstructionist schtick on the stand and his open contempt for the proceedings and everyone’s time.

The other story that really showed some true colors was the part about getting the building inspectors involved. It seemed pretty clear that the whole series of events regarding the dryer and the letter to the authorities was strictly motivated by spite, even if that word was not used.

And that was another time when the accounts from LK and RG under oath did not match regarding whether RG showed the building inspectors around the property to point out any code violations, if I recall correctly.

So again, it demonstrated that they were ready to twist anything that happened into another opportunity to cause trouble for MB and try to “ruin his life,” which seemed to be their overall goal.

Which could certainly make the jury wonder if they did the same thing a couple of days later.

[3PonyFarm]

If you go to Law & Crime and Court TV website, I believe they are listed there.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I wonder if Ed Bilinkas would take your case??

Omg. Think how much money in billable hours/legal fees anyone could save by using him and not having to explain the whole background situation with LK.

[MHM]

Thanks!

[LexInVA]

Imagine a class-action lawsuit against Team Kanarek. I wonder how many plaintiffs could be lined up for that.