Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[eggbutt]

@Sticky_Situation

If LK was never on the farm before MHG was around, how do the ever-omniscient IM’s claims that things between LK and MB were A-ok until MHG stepped in and ruined it make any sense?

MHG WAS involved from the beginning. Michael’s wife, Vera was not.

[DownYonder]

@Libby2563

. Bullet trajectory once inside the body is extremely unpredictable because it can be influenced, fragmented, and redirected by the tissues it hits. For example if a bullet hits a bone: the bullet could shatter the bone, the bone could fragment the bullet, the bullet could travel along the bone and exit elsewhere, etc etc. I

Good point. I had not considered that a round might have been deflected by bone. I can’t remember if the surgeon mentioned damage to ribs, etc., but I would think a round entering the upper chest would have had to hit the first or second rib in order for such deflection to occur. And it seems that such a shot at “point blank range” would have certainly damaged the rib - maybe even shattering it (?).

[SpicyPRE]

To clarify - did Barisone’s hands test positive for GSR? And nothing else was tested for GSR?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

A poster said way at the start that MB recruited LK away from her former trainer with words to the effect of “not doing anything for you.”

Per testimony reached deal with father for two horses $2500 each per month. Sold her a what appears to be a very well trained horse with shivers and Cushings for $40,000 with an understanding or misunderstanding that the horse would continue to live with MB for life. She bought another horse that was to be imported and was in shipping and quarantine for most or all of this time. She brought her retired horse over from NC with the understanding or misunderstanding that RG would repair the house and barn for board and training for those two. The first summer, she lived in the house with RG along with VK and JH and working students. MB and MH were in the barn apartment. MB and MH had a relationship since 2015. MB divorce was 2018 I think with partnerships dissolved in 2019 I think. VK did not return to New Jersey in 2019 and googling the internet it appears she established her business early summer or spring of 2019 in Florida. Everything seems ok until late July 2019.

Per testimony from the defense lawyer (which he is not allowed to do but he does it anyway along with repeated attempts to elicit hearsay and asking unclear questions and ignoring court procedure and judge instructions with repeated admonishment from the frustrated judge) MB wanted the work completed faster than the board amount (water damage from ice could be a few thousand to over $100,000 or more damage) and RG testified he was providing more value than the board amount per month. The defense attorney also let RG and LK ramble on and they were able to testify on the complaints and actions MB and MH took to harass them. Not impressed by the defense attorney.

Both RG and LK testified to being former heroine users and addicted to opioids. LK said she had not used while in training. RG said he had a couple of times but not at the facility.

MB told the farrier not to shoe LK’s horses. RG had words with the farrier.

Per LK on this forum, at some point MB presented them with a contract for boarding and living in the house which changed the understood or misunderstood terms.

LK became frustrated and reactive to the difference in the perceived verbal agreements.

The timing is unclear but per LK’s testimony MB at some point texted someone who posted the text on a tweet that he was going to negatively affect LK in the dressage community and he also told MH on texts something about he was going to drive them out of the barn by being mean and bad service. MH called other barns to complain/warn/blackball them. MB called USDF, SafeSport, and other agencies to complain about them. It seemed like this was in the same time period LK was posting trash talk and complaining about MB. No formal eviction procedures were done in accordance with New Jersey laws and procedures though at some point they received a letter from MB’s lawyer telling them to leave.

RG and LK testified they called the township for code violations at the barn and house apparently after learning of a clothes dryer that would not turn off running at night and barn staff not responding to their requests to check because MB had instructed barn staff to not respond to them.

Per the defense attorney and LK’s posts and testimony, MB became dissatisfied with the work on the house sufficing for board for the retired horse and the imported horse and the understanding or misunderstanding of whether or not board was due for the horse she bought from MB. If a discussion of how much was paid for the imported horse and who paid was had, I missed it.

If MB was saving money by hiring an unlicensed contractor, RG, and letting them work off board with a promise of cash for work done more than the board amount with no contract and no delivery date and decided not to honor those terms then RG could not use a mechanics lien etc. because of the 3X amount MB could have gone back after him. Turning in code violations means the township requires those to be corrected by a licensed contractor and presumably pay a lot more is pretty common when dealing with code and contractors. LK testified their apartment just need the smoke alarms rewired which they did.

RG’s and LK’s stories were similar and supported the same events. She admitted to posting really nasty stuff online. They both admitted drug use. They seemed pretty honest, not evading all the hard truths that make them look bad. The basic events of the shooting were similar. MB came. He said he didn’t want a war and asked if they could work it out. RG said no, that MB brought lawyers in and let the lawyers work it out and turned to walk away. LK approached MB. MB started shooting. The defense and MB filed not guilty through insanity and self defense so they have acknowledged MB shot LK twice and shot at RG once.

The doctor testified that LK lost half her blood. Flatlined. They opened her up on her side from the front going under her arm to her back to stop the bleeding. They opened her up on her abdomen that night to allow her swelling to have room because it was stopping her breathing. She was on heavy pain medication for some time after that. Can’t imagine the pain medication/PTSD nightmares

MB’s lawyer has yet to address the insanity and self defense. An outside lawyer stated that New Jersey does have an imperfect defense established by case law where the attempted murder charges could be dropped to manslaughter. That might explain the plea deal and why he is trying so hard to make LK and RG look bad.

It seems like once VK was out of the picture, relationships fell apart. She seems to be quite a remarkable person.

Far from creating code violations, RG could have recognized several, may have suggested correcting them or been in the process of doing so.

If LK is encouraged and supported with the horses to help her get her life back on track by her parents and they thought MB was a safe and professional, it sounds like from JH’s testimony that MB was well on his way to a breakdown behind all the charismatic front at clinics, etc. and this was a terrible place for her to be. I don’t think anyone expected this to happen.

Weirdly, the defense lawyer testified that MB wasn’t happy about RG coming with LK. So MB just wanted single women? That sounds untrue though because RG testified he worked on the barn as well and MB would work with him on the repairs for no pay, just helping out. JH testified that everything was cordial at first and it sounds like it was.

I wish them all well. I feel sorry for MB and how his life has turned out. I a horrified for LK. I am still impressed with RG. He saved everyone. That extra clip could have changed everything.

HOLY GUACAMOLE! So LK still has at least one poster here ready to twist and justify the events of last week to her advantage. Seems some of LK’s fantasy drifted into this post, but whatever.

“I am still impressed by RG. He saved everyone.” This statement says it all.

Edited to ask, was this post written by committee? Sure sounds like it!

I agree almost 100% with Hut-ho’s synopsis.

Duh. We already knew that.

To us, that just makes 2 of you wrong.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

That and she was shot twice and the house was shot and MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger and he drove over there. I keep going back over testimony for what I missed. I think GSR on MB’s hands, nothing from the other technology on LK’s shirt.

You mean the shirt and jacket where her blood was magically washed away but of course GSR wouldn’t be in your mind?

[hut-ho78]

@FitzE

@hut-ho78

I think RG has a better memory of the event.

What? This man claims he cannot remember most of his texts/SM posts, cannot remember conversations he had that were recorded, cannot even remember having words with the farrier a few hours before the shooting. Did you hear how many times he said he “couldn’t recall” on the stand? And did you see how, even when he was able to literally read what he wrote or told the police he would answer that he STILL didn’t recall his own statements?

I mean, it was shocking how little he claimed he could remember or recall and even having his memory refreshed for almost every single question, he maintained he still lacked recall. I don’t even know what to say about that, it’s so bizarre. But, one thing that could be said: this man’s recall of events is not his strong point, to put it mildly. He cannot claim to not be able to recall most of his own actions and simultaneously ask the jury to believe his recall of the shooting is 100% accurate. It just doesn’t work both ways like that.

He was asked a very simple question early on by the friendly prosecution and he choked up and had to have water. It was a nothing intro question, no pressure, but he was unable to speak and looked like he was going to be sick. There was a long on-line discussion about how it appeared like he knew he was about to embark on a less than honest performance under oath and was at least in that moment rightfully scared of what he was about to do.

I actually felt bad because I know he must be under enormous pressure from the family and the prosecution. He nodded to someone up in the gallery before he was sworn in, so he was well aware he was being closely watched. He’s literally singing for his supper up there, as he has no job or income on his own and if he falls out of favour with the family, he’s homeless/jobless. It’s a really sad situation and as arrogant and disrespectful as he was up on that stand, I did feel a bit sorry for him.

I nearly threw up testifying in a civil case on a regulatory/technical issue on a case that started long before I was involved just from not wanting to be there. He has to remember a traumatic event where he could have been killed and thought LK was dying. The defense attorney is asking questions in a way to illegally testify instead of cross-exam. No one remembers traumatic events 100%.

Regardless of any negatives, he came through when it counted. If he kept running, MB could have put in the second clip and finished him off, left LK to bleed out and gone to the barn to say he solved the problem. What would have happened then to MH and her dad or anyone who tried to intervene JH, RC, barn staff?

[eggbutt]

What a surprise! I never saw that coming. We you a member of the committee?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@FitzE

@hut-ho78

I think RG has a better memory of the event.

What? This man claims he cannot remember most of his texts/SM posts, cannot remember conversations he had that were recorded, cannot even remember having words with the farrier a few hours before the shooting. Did you hear how many times he said he “couldn’t recall” on the stand? And did you see how, even when he was able to literally read what he wrote or told the police he would answer that he STILL didn’t recall his own statements?

I mean, it was shocking how little he claimed he could remember or recall and even having his memory refreshed for almost every single question, he maintained he still lacked recall. I don’t even know what to say about that, it’s so bizarre. But, one thing that could be said: this man’s recall of events is not his strong point, to put it mildly. He cannot claim to not be able to recall most of his own actions and simultaneously ask the jury to believe his recall of the shooting is 100% accurate. It just doesn’t work both ways like that.

He was asked a very simple question early on by the friendly prosecution and he choked up and had to have water. It was a nothing intro question, no pressure, but he was unable to speak and looked like he was going to be sick. There was a long on-line discussion about how it appeared like he knew he was about to embark on a less than honest performance under oath and was at least in that moment rightfully scared of what he was about to do.

I actually felt bad because I know he must be under enormous pressure from the family and the prosecution. He nodded to someone up in the gallery before he was sworn in, so he was well aware he was being closely watched. He’s literally singing for his supper up there, as he has no job or income on his own and if he falls out of favour with the family, he’s homeless/jobless. It’s a really sad situation and as arrogant and disrespectful as he was up on that stand, I did feel a bit sorry for him.

I nearly threw up testifying in a civil case on a regulatory/technical issue on a case that started long before I was involved just from not wanting to be there. He has to remember a traumatic event where he could have been killed and thought LK was dying. The defense attorney is asking questions in a way to illegally testify instead of cross-exam. No one remembers traumatic events 100%.

Regardless of any negatives, he came through when it counted. If he kept running, MB could have put in the second clip and finished him off, left LK to bleed out and gone to the barn to say he solved the problem. What would have happened then to MH and her dad or anyone who tried to intervene JH, RC, barn staff?

I’ve been through some major traumatic events and I remember them to this day.

BIG ONES.

I’d like to say that the one where I walked into a house being burglarized by 2 peeps in black ski masks who were holding hostages on the floor and I walked in to have a gun tip meet my left temple was it but that doesn’t even make my top 3.

So there’s that.

[FitzE]

You did not address at all the main point of my post: that he claimed almost no recall at all on any of the other questions he was asked by defence - no recall even when refreshed! What are your thoughts on that and how that can be squared with his recall of the shooting (which, you stress is traumatic and that impacts memory)? If he cannot remember the farrier was there or what he told the police even though he reviewed it in prep for the trial, how can the jury trust his memory of anything?

And he choked up with the prosecution question, not the defence.

[hut-ho78]

@rothmpp

@Angela_Freda

RG also testified that some of the white surrogates metal lining the barn interior was done by someone else. It was while looking at those pics, and his explanation that he did ‘this part’ and (other guy) did ‘that part’ that RG stated that he didn’t do too much work because he didn’t want to get too far ahead of services MB was furnishing as payment.

I think that RG does not have a grasp on how much everything he & LK were being provided in trade is actually worth. 2 bedroom apartment rent? I’d think $2k would be reasonable. She’s got 4 horses there? Even if only 3 of them were at full training & board - maybe $3500 a piece at market rate in NJ? $2k for the board of horses not in full training? If MB was providing the farrier? $400 per horse every 6 weeks? That’s going to add up really fast. They were only paying $5k per month for everything.

If RG had help doing work from people that MB was paying, that is lowering the value of the work that RG was doing. And any contractor type, licensed or not, keeps track of his tools. They cost $$$. Even if they were MB’s tools, I think RG would know if he’d been working there that day - plus at a high end facility, who leaves a pile of crap like that sitting on the floor unless you’d been working there that day and planned to be working there the next morning? So when there was the pile of tools outside the tack room the night of the shooting, RG not knowing if he was using those tools just sounded…shady.

Everyone should hire reputable licensed contractors and make sure plumbers and electricians and HVAC people are licensed and have clear contracts and completion dates, never pay upfront, hold enough payments back to insure all items are finished to satisfaction. People don’t do that. They DIY, they hire friends and relatives, they hire illegals, neighbors, etc. It’s why realtors push inspections when property is sold. It’s why Building Code exists and engineers and electricians, and plumbers, etc. are licensed. “Code is written in blood.” Still, people will be people and try to save money by doing it themselves.

Edited to take out “we.” I am not a realtor. That was a typing error.

[soloudinhere]

@Angela_Freda

Why do you think that is?

I LOLed.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@rothmpp

@Angela_Freda

RG also testified that some of the white surrogates metal lining the barn interior was done by someone else. It was while looking at those pics, and his explanation that he did ‘this part’ and (other guy) did ‘that part’ that RG stated that he didn’t do too much work because he didn’t want to get too far ahead of services MB was furnishing as payment.

I think that RG does not have a grasp on how much everything he & LK were being provided in trade is actually worth. 2 bedroom apartment rent? I’d think $2k would be reasonable. She’s got 4 horses there? Even if only 3 of them were at full training & board - maybe $3500 a piece at market rate in NJ? $2k for the board of horses not in full training? If MB was providing the farrier? $400 per horse every 6 weeks? That’s going to add up really fast. They were only paying $5k per month for everything.

If RG had help doing work from people that MB was paying, that is lowering the value of the work that RG was doing. And any contractor type, licensed or not, keeps track of his tools. They cost $$$. Even if they were MB’s tools, I think RG would know if he’d been working there that day - plus at a high end facility, who leaves a pile of crap like that sitting on the floor unless you’d been working there that day and planned to be working there the next morning? So when there was the pile of tools outside the tack room the night of the shooting, RG not knowing if he was using those tools just sounded…shady.

Everyone should hire reputable licensed contractors and make sure plumbers and electricians and HVAC people are licensed and have clear contracts and completion dates, never pay upfront, hold enough payments back to insure all items are finished to satisfaction. People don’t do that. They DIY, they hire friends and relatives, they hire illegals, neighbors, etc. It’s why we realtors push inspections when property is sold. It’s why Building Code exists and engineers and electricians, and plumbers, etc. are licensed. “Code is written in blood.” Still, people will be people and try to save money by doing it themselves.

Yeah I’m quoting this gem for both posterity AND amusement.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

What a surprise! I never saw that coming. We you a member of the committee?

Twist twist twist. No other perspective/observation but yours is allowed. Why is that?

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger

Known by whom?

By you? Or by the two people who demonstrated that they lie, even under oath on the witness stand, whether you noticed or not?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a surprise! I never saw that coming. We you a member of the committee?

Twist twist twist. No other perspective/observation but yours is allowed. Why is that?

Maybe because yours is based on the word of someone who just testified that they lie on social media?

[soloudinhere]

@hut-ho78

Twist twist twist. No other perspective/observation but yours is allowed. Why is that?

Well, for starters, you left a whole lot of crime scene bungling out of your executive summation.

Then called the defense attorney out for not presenting his case when he does not have the floor to…present his case.

So, as they say, rose colored glasses…

[Sdel]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger

Known by whom?

By you? Or by the two people who demonstrated that they lie, even under oath on the witness stand, whether you noticed or not?

That also texted about being able to access the office and could therefore engage in nefarious acts.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

[eggbutt]

But wait!!! Hold your horses!! I have posted “what ifs” for over two years based on the knowledge I had at the time and was pounced on by you literal fan-girls! Now it is perfectly okay for your far fetched what ifs just to attempt to make your case and drum up support for Ms Kanarek? Give us all a break here. She and her boyfriend, employee, whatever he is are toast as far as credibility.

I have a suggestion! Why don’t you fan girls start another thread of support for your buddy. Let’s see how many flock to join your team. At this point you are wasting others’ time posting your narrative here.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

What a surprise! I never saw that coming. We you a member of the committee?

Nope.