Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@rothmpp

@Angela_Freda

RG also testified that some of the white surrogates metal lining the barn interior was done by someone else. It was while looking at those pics, and his explanation that he did ‘this part’ and (other guy) did ‘that part’ that RG stated that he didn’t do too much work because he didn’t want to get too far ahead of services MB was furnishing as payment.

I think that RG does not have a grasp on how much everything he & LK were being provided in trade is actually worth. 2 bedroom apartment rent? I’d think $2k would be reasonable. She’s got 4 horses there? Even if only 3 of them were at full training & board - maybe $3500 a piece at market rate in NJ? $2k for the board of horses not in full training? If MB was providing the farrier? $400 per horse every 6 weeks? That’s going to add up really fast. They were only paying $5k per month for everything.

If RG had help doing work from people that MB was paying, that is lowering the value of the work that RG was doing. And any contractor type, licensed or not, keeps track of his tools. They cost $$$. Even if they were MB’s tools, I think RG would know if he’d been working there that day - plus at a high end facility, who leaves a pile of crap like that sitting on the floor unless you’d been working there that day and planned to be working there the next morning? So when there was the pile of tools outside the tack room the night of the shooting, RG not knowing if he was using those tools just sounded…shady.

Everyone should hire reputable licensed contractors and make sure plumbers and electricians and HVAC people are licensed and have clear contracts and completion dates, never pay upfront, hold enough payments back to insure all items are finished to satisfaction. People don’t do that. They DIY, they hire friends and relatives, they hire illegals, neighbors, etc. It’s why we realtors push inspections when property is sold. It’s why Building Code exists and engineers and electricians, and plumbers, etc. are licensed. “Code is written in blood.” Still, people will be people and try to save money by doing it themselves.

Yeah I’m quoting this gem for both posterity AND amusement.

Apologies for the word “we” before realtor. I am not a realtor.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger

Known by whom?

By you? Or by the two people who demonstrated that they lie, even under oath on the witness stand, whether you noticed or not?

RC testimony.

[Angela_Freda]

Well, she did admit, after claiming she only had ONE gun, that she did post her two guns and did have that second gun she purchased in NC but had not yet picked up.

RG also stated he didn’t have guns, but then was presented with his own post talking about a/his gun or some nonsense.

For two people who claim to be nonviolent, non-confrontational, they sure do throw around alotta threats, images of guns, etc.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@soloudinhere

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG.

Considering she wasn’t paying anywhere near market rate, I’m not sure that is/was true. I’m sure he would have been better served bringing in 4 quality horses and their owners paying full freight.

Then why didn’t he tell her to leave on July 1 with 30 days notice? Or July 15, of Aug 1?

According to IM, he was telling her to stay (and he’d deal with MH) and at the same time telling MH that he’d somehow deal with LK.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I have a suggestion! Why don’t you fan girls start another thread of support for your buddy. Let’s see how many flock to join your team.

I will say I was vaguely wondering about the record on the BB for rate of posts on a new thread.

So it would be interesting to compare and contrast the number and frequency of posts on a pro LK thread, just out of curiosity. And also the ratio of posts to poster, if that makes sense.

[FitzE]

@hut-ho78

I’m looking forward to the testimony on the FB post you have told us about, the one you described as LK saying she owned a Ruger, the one LK said she never made.

Well, if we are being honest here, of the two guns in the post she did admit to posting, one had already magically poofed according to testimony under oath. It seems posting about guns and then saying she doesn’t own the guns - or some of the guns - in those posts is kind of a thing. Also like posting about owning cameras but it turns out that there were no cameras. It all does get quite confusing, I will admit.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

Exactly.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

@MHM

@hut-ho78

MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger

Known by whom?

By you? Or by the two people who demonstrated that they lie, even under oath on the witness stand, whether you noticed or not?

RC testimony.

Really?

Did RC testify that she saw MB take the gun out of the safe on his way to his truck that day? If so, I must have missed her saying that part.

[rothmpp]

@hut-ho78

Everyone should hire reputable licensed contractors and make sure plumbers and electricians and HVAC people are licensed and have clear contracts and completion dates, never pay upfront, hold enough payments back to insure all items are finished to satisfaction. People don’t do that. They DIY, they hire friends and relatives, they hire illegals, neighbors, etc. It’s why realtors push inspections when property is sold. It’s why Building Code exists and engineers and electricians, and plumbers, etc. are licensed. “Code is written in blood.” Still, people will be people and try to save money by doing it themselves.

Well, sure, but you skipped over the fact that most mortgage companies require an appraisal and inspection as part of the approval process. It’s not just smart home buying - it’s usually a requirement. A buyer paying cash or using a unconventional financing can waive inspections, but they can’t if their mortgage company requires it for the loan.

None of your word vomit negates the bulk of my comment being about RG overvaluing his work on the house/barn.

[FitzE]

Exactly what? It doesn’t answer my question at all. And you also have not answered my question about the recall failure. Why bother quoting someone if you do not address the topic of their post?

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

Nobody cares about Vera and MB breaking up and why. Not the sword to die on dude.

Just makes it look like you have nothing else to say and makes us remember IMs posts about LK coveting MHGs position as top noodle.

No, IM didn’t say that. Blue Saddle did. LOL.

[MHM]

@rothmpp

I know nothing about the dissolution of VK/MB marriage, how long they were separated romantically, when MHG came into the picture, what the arrangement that they made regarding the summer 2018 occupancy of the NJ farm, any of that. But characterizing the relationship between MHG and MB as an affair may be an exaggeration.

And really, how is any of that the business of anyone other than MB, VK, and MHG??

[Sdel]

@FitzE

But they testified that they heard the drying running and it wouldn’t stop and they heard the WS tell RC that it wasn’t stopping. Thus, they WERE in the barn at that time in order to hear all this. So they could also have unplugged it

I think your missing the key point here……RC was asleep at the time….presumably with the Ruger under her pillow. And then for some reason was trying to get into their apartment the next day when the FM/BI came. Also, wouldn’t that timing match the 8/5 gun charges for RC?

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Regardless of any negatives, he came through when it counted. If he kept running, MB could have put in the second clip and finished him off, left LK to bleed out and gone to the barn to say he solved the problem. What would have happened then to MH and her dad or anyone who tried to intervene JH, RC, barn staff?

what second clip?
Heymer only found the clip that was in the gun iirc.

The second police officer on the scene testified earlier before trial about the second clip. It’s been discussed in these forums a great deal. Funny how memories work.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

Nobody cares about Vera and MB breaking up and why. Not the sword to die on dude.

Just makes it look like you have nothing else to say and makes us remember IMs posts about LK coveting MHGs position as top noodle.

Some posters (you and EB) claim the breakup of MBs marriage is irrelevant because you want to blame all the stress on LK alone. I think the break up (clearly caused by the affair with MH) created a huge amount of stress (loss of smooth management of business, losing half his assets, breakup of marriage). If, on top of that, MH was then threatening to leave him, …

IM was clear that LK was not trying to displace MH as girlfriend or assistant trainer, and that it was MH who was bothered by MB devoting time to training LK.

[anon68314200]

Yes

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

According to IM

Again, I will point out that the three words quoted above should be followed now and forevermore by the phrase “who received his information from LK, who admitted on the stand under oath to lying all the time…”

[eggbutt]

BS. IM says. Malarkey.

I’m beginning to think IM is up to his eyelashes in planning this tragedy.

[SpicyPRE]

@hut-ho78

Regardless of any negatives, he came through when it counted.

What?? I am impressed by your dedication to LK, but this is just shocking.

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

Nobody cares about Vera and MB breaking up and why. Not the sword to die on dude.

Just makes it look like you have nothing else to say and makes us remember IMs posts about LK coveting MHGs position as top noodle.

Some posters (you and EB) claim the breakup of MBs marriage is irrelevant because you want to blame all the stress on LK alone. I think the break up (clearly caused by the affair with MH) created a huge amount of stress (loss of smooth management of business, losing half his assets, breakup of marriage). If, on top of that, MH was then threatening to leave him, …

IM was clear that LK was not trying to displace MH as girlfriend or assistant trainer, and that it was MH who was bothered by MB devoting time to training LK.

You sure do “know” alot about MB’s personal life.

What if they both had problems with each other (LK and MH) and it wasn’t soo one sided? What if thefe were to be pettiness and misunderstanding by both parties?

I don’t know who developed their problem first.

Also, I don’t know why MB and his ex-wife divorced. Are we positive that it was exclusively due to an affair with MH? We also don’t know the details of the divorce. I know it’s popular on this thread, but we should just make assumptions in order to fit our narrative. Maybe what you think is true, and it might be, to some extent.