Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@eggbutt

I have a suggestion! Why don’t you fan girls start another thread of support for your buddy. Let’s see how many flock to join your team.

I will say I was vaguely wondering about the record on the BB for rate of posts on a new thread.

So it would be interesting to compare and contrast the number and frequency of posts on a pro LK thread, just out of curiosity. And also the ratio of posts to poster, if that makes sense.

Thank y’all for finally being honest and transparent that these are bash LK threads and no other perspective is welcome. So much for the “we are just trying to understand” smoke blowing.

[MHM]

@FitzE

It seems posting about guns and then saying she doesn’t own the guns - or some of the guns - in those posts is kind of a thing. Also like posting about owning cameras but it turns out that there were no cameras.

Or no cameras by the time the police got around to looking for them, anyway.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

Your response does not address my question at all: several posters and LK herself have represented that she was on the farm at the same time VK was on the farm. Is that accurate or not? That was my only question. I don’t know or care about the affair and when it happened. It is not germane to my question.

I remember reading posts that said that MB and MHG were openly carrying on their affair while VK was there and still acting as business partner, and that that situation eventually drove her to leave.

I don’t know when she left. Therefore I don’t know if LK was there before she left, and don’t know if there was a time that MB, MHG, VK, and LK were all on the property at the same time.

[Dee-Vee]

What’s missing this story are all the inconsistent pieces of the testimony. Testimony is what matters. Her are a few that I noticed.

“when she was shot she ran away and I couldn’t see her.” When she was shot I saw two bullet holes in the back of her shirt”

“I pounded his head with phone for 7 minutes.” “No, her phone was on the stairs in the house. We were using my phone (RG) to call 9-1-1.” Let’s add to that…multiple “she ran away” and when she came back (?), she was too weak to pound his head cuz she was dying.”

“She came down the stairs behind me”. “Sorry, no she was in front.”

“I was on the stairs”. “I was on the landing”. “ i was on the patio”. “I was on the first step” “I couldn’t see her. She ran away.”

The only consistent thing said was that MB stepped out from the bushes toward the walkway.

If I have processed any of this incorrectly, I take ownership. But look at it this way. I came into RG’s testimony cold…as a juror woul and not allowed to take notes.

My lasting impression was RG provided conflicting and confusing information even though the line of questioning came from a sworn affidavit. Also found the testimony evasive on all points on who was where when the shots occurred…the landing, the steps, the stairs, the patio, she ran off, she was dying, the phone was inside, the phone was pounding MB for 7 minutes. Not clear on the angle of MB’s arms cuz it wasn’t clear where anybody was.

So…on that testimony alone, I have reasonable doubt on what occurred.

The record will stand for itself.

[rothmpp]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some posters (you and EB) claim the breakup of MBs marriage is irrelevant because you want to blame all the stress on LK alone. I think the break up (clearly caused by the affair with MH) created a huge amount of stress (loss of smooth management of business, losing half his assets, breakup of marriage). If, on top of that, MH was then threatening to leave him, …

IM was clear that LK was not trying to displace MH as girlfriend or assistant trainer, and that it was MH who was bothered by MB devoting time to training LK.

How would you know what caused the break up of their marriage, and frankly, as others have said, how is that any of your business?

Sure business stress affects everyone, and some people cope better than others.

Most of us don’t find IM to be this all knowing insider they claim to be, but you’re welcome to believe IM if you like.

According to LK, she was mad that she was being shunted down to JH, so MHG would have had no reason to demand MB stop training LK or she’d leave. Based on her testimony she was terrified of RG & LK to the point that she had her father come stay at the farm during the end of it all. Some have said she’d sent her kids away to stay with others because she was so worried about everything going on with LK/RG

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

Nobody cares about Vera and MB breaking up and why. Not the sword to die on dude.

Just makes it look like you have nothing else to say and makes us remember IMs posts about LK coveting MHGs position as top noodle.

Some posters (you and EB) claim the breakup of MBs marriage is irrelevant because you want to blame all the stress on LK alone. I think the break up (clearly caused by the affair with MH) created a huge amount of stress (loss of smooth management of business, losing half his assets, breakup of marriage). If, on top of that, MH was then threatening to leave him, …

IM was clear that LK was not trying to displace MH as girlfriend or assistant trainer, and that it was MH who was bothered by MB devoting time to training LK.

That is what I remember.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

. So mush for the “we are just trying to understand” smoke blowing.

Aww…you fail to comprehend our “understanding” was confirmed by LK and RG last week. But keep on doing your job, mkay?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@MHM

@eggbutt

I have a suggestion! Why don’t you fan girls start another thread of support for your buddy. Let’s see how many flock to join your team.

I will say I was vaguely wondering about the record on the BB for rate of posts on a new thread.

So it would be interesting to compare and contrast the number and frequency of posts on a pro LK thread, just out of curiosity. And also the ratio of posts to poster, if that makes sense.

Thank y’all for finally being honest and transparent that these are bash LK threads and no other perspective is welcome. So mush for the “we are just trying to understand” smoke blowing.

Thank you for being transparent in your constant support for someone who has threatened multiple people on this forum AND testified that she lies on social media.

You should be proud.

[CanteringCarrot]

Poster 1: Stop twisting things to fit your narrative! You’re so one sided!

Also, Poster 1: tells a twisted one sided story about what happened

A thought: What if…it was something in the middle? What if details of both speculations could be true? What if there is blame to be placed all around? What if those that say opposite to what you think aren’t LK or MB haters or fans?

stands back as heads explode

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

@MHM

@eggbutt

I have a suggestion! Why don’t you fan girls start another thread of support for your buddy. Let’s see how many flock to join your team.

I will say I was vaguely wondering about the record on the BB for rate of posts on a new thread.

So it would be interesting to compare and contrast the number and frequency of posts on a pro LK thread, just out of curiosity. And also the ratio of posts to poster, if that makes sense.

Thank y’all for finally being honest and transparent that these are bash LK threads and no other perspective is welcome. So much for the “we are just trying to understand” smoke blowing.

Meh, there’s smoke coming from all directions.

[Aurora58]

Contacting the FM about the dryer is just upping the ante to drive MB over the edge. For someone who lies on the witness stand, illegally records private conversations, and flouts barn rules by going in after hours, lights on and music blasting, it would not be out of character to flout the rules and unplug the dryer herself. But if you have a plan to drive someone crazy, calling the FM is the move she makes instead. So devious.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

That and she was shot twice and the house was shot and MB was the last known keeper of the Ruger and he drove over there. I keep going back over testimony for what I missed. I think GSR on MB’s hands, nothing from the other technology on LK’s shirt.

You mean the shirt and jacket where her blood was magically washed away but of course GSR wouldn’t be in your mind?

The half her blood that was lost per the doctor testimony and the clamp on the aorta and blood products used and flatlining?

That was in the hospital in the ER. That’s why that doc could testify to it. He had to deal with it. Then. When they opened her up. At the hospital. With that doctor. In hospital.

Got it?

They opened her up to clamp the aorta to prevent her from losing the other half of her blood.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

MHG testified there were around 40 horses there and I think she mentioned 30 stalls.

However many horses LK had there, bringing in $5000 and or subpar construction work in trade…
It seems to me, her horses leaving would create room for paying (you know, in money) horses to board there.

I don’t think keeping LK was motivation at all, certainly not for her non- payments.

It was testified to that the arrangement was facilitated by her father. That her father was involved in orchestrating some plot with these two to manipulate the arrangement of the work for board and rent, etc to their advantage. It was testified to that MB expressed he was was afraid of JK.
LK admitted to wanting to ruin him over this nonsense arrangement that most horse owners have agreed, clearly gave them a very sweet deal.

[MHM]

@Sdel

I think your missing the key point here……RC was asleep at the time….presumably with the Ruger under her pillow. And then for some reason was trying to get into their apartment the next day when the FM/BI came. Also, wouldn’t that timing match the 8/5 gun charges for RC?

It sounded to me like RC testified that she handed her gun over to MB not long after she arrived in New Jersey on that trip. Maybe the night she arrived, or maybe the following night.

(And maybe the reason he asked for it was so that she would not be sleeping in the barn with a gun under her pillow. Which seems to me like a pretty reasonable course of action under the circumstances.)

So I don’t know if she would have still had the gun under her pillow a night or two before the shooting.

And yes, I realize I am breaking my previously stated rule about not trying to remember testimony from more than 36 hours ago. But still.

[soloudinhere]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Then why didn’t he tell her to leave on July 1 with 30 days notice? Or July 15, of Aug 1?

I have no idea. I’m not him, don’t even know him.

But the idea that he needed a client getting a huge discount for her money is baffling.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

The second police officer on the scene testified earlier before trial about the second clip. It’s been discussed in these forums a great deal. Funny how memories work.

Wasn’t he the one who testified last week that he found the clip in the police car and did not know how it had gotten there?

[splitrockfarmnc]

@CurrentlyHorseless

According to IM, he was telling her to stay (and he’d deal with MH) and at the same time telling MH that he’d somehow deal with LK.

Guarantee MB didn’t ask her to stay, oh, and continue harassing everyone.

Which is exactly what she did.

[hut-ho78]

I think so. It’s one I want to go back over.

[MHM]

@SpicyPRE

@hut-ho78

Regardless of any negatives, he came through when it counted.

What?? I am impressed by your dedication to LK, but this is just shocking.

Yes, after he testified that he ran in the house to hide when LK was shot???

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@rothmpp

@CurrentlyHorseless

Is it in dispute that the affair with MHG started while MB was still married to VK? I have no idea whether VK was driven away sometime in 2018 (when LK was present) or previous to 2018.

You are correct that my view of the tragedy (my narrative) is that huge stress was placed on MB by the breakup of his marriage, which severely damaged the smooth operation of his business and created financial stress when he had to divide assets with his ex wife. It seems even fairly amicable divorces are very stressful.

LK had nothing to do with with MB losing VK as a spouse and business partner. MHG did.

With all that stress, MHG then got into a war with LK. MB needed to keep LK as a client for her money, and he needed to get rid of her to please MHG. More stress.

You do know that divorces can take YEARS to finalize sometime? Especially ones that involve a business with substantial assets that need to be divided.

I know nothing about the dissolution of VK/MB marriage, how long they were separated romantically, when MHG came into the picture, what the arrangement that they made regarding the summer 2018 occupancy of the NJ farm, any of that. But characterizing the relationship between MHG and MB as an affair may be an exaggeration. They all lived on the NJ property together in relative harmony to outside observation in 2018.

Oh, so you’re confirming that MB, MHG, and VK where all on the property in summer of 2018 when LK was there?

At some point MH transitioned from assistant trainer to “girlfriend”.