Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[FitzE]

Ah, okay, ad hominem attacks on other posters followed by deflection rather than a straightforward answer. Got it.

Jokes on me that I expected more from you. Lesson learned.

I do understand it’s a hard one to answer because it defies logic to believe the memory of a person about one thing who claims he cannot remember basically everything else. I’d hate to have painted myself into that corner as well.

[Knights_Mom]

@pony_baloney

LK said that Rosie the dog was a Doxie/Rottie mix. Then it was mentioned that it was a Doberman cross. She was shown two pictures to confirm that it was Rosie; she smiled at each one. Bilinkas pointed at the second and she said “She’s yawning”. He questioned her and asked “That’s a yawn?” or something like that, in total disbelief. I think maybe the dog was barking visciously in the photo and she called it a yawn. I doubt a Doxie cross could reach a man’s groin area when standing. But I don’t know how the dog bit MB when he had RG on top of him. She probably got out of the house thru the laundry room door after the shooting.

I think LK’s horse with shivers was Jay D. Being the curious sort I am I looked up JH’s show record and he showed Jay D quite a few years ago, so he’s probably an older schoolmaster now with health issues that she “fell in love with” (her words, probably easy for her to ride well). Symphony was an older mare with the cellulitis. There was a DD horse mentioned in there too, but not sure where he/she fit in. So possibly only 2-3 horses in full training board.

Why was MB’s white Google phone on the patio table? It was visible in a photo taken after the event. If JK and RG came back the next day, why were they able to do things around the house? Wasn’t there police tape around the crime scene? Did they take incriminating evidence while there?

AFAIK, in NJ squatters have more rights than property owners. Once on your property, it’s difficult and expensive to get rid of them. My friend told me his friend had a newly built house that squatters moved into before his family could get in. He was told he’d have to pay out of pocket to find them a new place and pay their moving expenses. So…the house mysteriously burned to the ground. Will MB’s 911 calls begging for help in removing them from his own property help his case?

Wish I didn’t have to work tomorrow so I could watch it. I can only see bits here and there until I get home.

If MB was on the ground on his back reaching the groin is easy even for a small dog.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

He is supposed to retreat before he shot Lak twice and at RG once. It’s not shoot and run away, it’s run away and DON’T SHOOT.

Only if you believe the order of events stated by LK/RG. There is now a HUGE, reasonable reason to suggest the shooting occurred AFTER RG/LK/Rosie began their attack.

Only the die hard MB fan club creating inventive scenarios based on no evidence. If Bilinkas can come up with some last minute dramatic evidence and save the day, good for him. Right now, he is flailing. I thought it was Columbo imitation but really doubting that now. It is not looking good for MB.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

He is supposed to retreat before he shot Lak twice and at RG once. It’s not shoot and run away, it’s run away and DON’T SHOOT.

Only if you believe the order of events stated by LK/RG. There is now a HUGE, reasonable reason to suggest the shooting occurred AFTER RG/LK/Rosie began their attack.

Only the die hard MB fan club creating inventive scenarios based on no evidence. If Bilinkas can come up with some last minute dramatic evidence and save the day, good for him. Right now, he is flailing. I thought it was Columbo imitation but really doubting that now. It is not looking good for MB.

You seem to be unaware of the consensus at this time here, on L & C and everywhere else.

[Sdel]

@pony_baloney

I doubt a Doxie cross could reach a man’s groin area when standing. But I don’t know how the dog bit MB when he had RG on top of him. She probably got out of the house thru the laundry room door after the shooting.

The pictures previously shown here, show the dog being about half the height of the porch railing.

[Angela_Freda]

@anon68314200

If MB is running a legitimate business, he should have records. Trusting has nothing to do with it. There’s no reasonable excuse for him not to have an accounting. The only reasonable excuse is that he was doing something he know he shouldn’t have done

Who says there aren’t records?

[eggbutt]

Several corrections, Jay-T was Michael’s horse. DeeDee was co-owned by RC and MHG.

The dog shown in the photos was fully capable of jumping to a 6’4" man’s groin, sinking her teeth and ripping away.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

Once again creating alternative facts. He wasn’t pummeled until after he shot.

You don’t know that

[hut-ho78]

@FitzE

Ah, okay, ad hominem attacks on other posters followed by deflection rather than a straightforward answer. Got it.

Jokes on me that I expected more from you. Lesson learned.

I do understand it’s a hard one to answer because it defies logic to believe the memory of a person about one thing who claims he cannot remember basically everything else. I’d hate to have painted myself into that corner as well.

Dude or dudette, watch the trial. It’s on YouTube. Look up the New Jersey articles on self defense by insanity and self defense and imperfect self defense. If the defense train wreck has you so upset you have to bark at other posters ok, fine, if it makes you feel better. I’m just watching the trial and looking stuff up I’m confused by.

MB was the last person known to have the Ruger. He shot LK twice and shot at RG once. He agrees with that. Now, he is trying to be declared not guilty by insanity and self defense.

Good luck with your creativity.

Why do I think RG remembered things better than LK? Gee, blood loss, anesthesia, flatlining, 8 days on a ventilator, heavy pain meds, opioid dreams, PTSD. RG may have a little PTSD too. Don’t forget it happened 2.5 years ago.

I just love y’all’s personal attacks when your little dream bubbles pop.

[LookinForSpace]

@pony_baloney

LK said that Rosie the dog was a Doxie/Rottie mix. Then it was mentioned that it was a Doberman cross. She was shown two pictures to confirm that it was Rosie; she smiled at each one. Bilinkas pointed at the second and she said “She’s yawning”. He questioned her and asked “That’s a yawn?” or something like that, in total disbelief. I think maybe the dog was barking visciously in the photo and she called it a yawn.

Is that picture available? Or was it shown only to LK?

[MHM]

@pony_baloney

There was a DD horse mentioned in there too, but not sure where he/she fit in.

I believe DD was the horse owned by RC, maybe in partnership with MHG. I believe MHG still has and shows that horse, since I think I just saw it in a Facebook post with her quite recently.

Here is the diagram of the crime scene showing two vehicles plus a trailer towards the bottom of the picture. I can’t zoom in enough on my phone to see if the writing in the diagram is legible there.

Tangent. Now I’m watching the Seinfeld episode where George meets Marisa Tomei in the park, and she just smacked him in the face and stormed off.

Omg. And then in the other plot line of the episode, Jerry‘s dad is getting impeached on his condo board, and I just had another Hamilton flashback when somebody said:
”You don’t have the votes.”

[KarenK]

Ya know…you would think that MB would have had the entire property covered, inside & out, with security cameras…it’s common sense…no?

[MHM]

@LookinForSpace

Is that picture available? Or was it shown only to LK?

I think it was only shown to LK. Or I don’t remember seeing it on the screen, anyway.

[pony_baloney]

@eggbutt

Several corrections, Jay-T was Michael’s horse. DeeDee was co-owned by RC and MHG.

The dog shown in the photos was fully capable of jumping to a 6’4" man’s groin, sinking her teeth and ripping away.

Ah. I’m not such a good investigator.

[Sdel]

@KarenK

Ya know…you would think that MB would have had the entire property covered, inside & out, with security cameras…it’s common sense…no?

I thought we saw the defense reference a text about LK talking about disabling his cameras….but honestly, I don’t think he was there yet.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

He is supposed to retreat before he shot Lak twice and at RG once. It’s not shoot and run away, it’s run away and DON’T SHOOT.

Only if you believe the order of events stated by LK/RG. There is now a HUGE, reasonable reason to suggest the shooting occurred AFTER RG/LK/Rosie began their attack.

Only the die hard MB fan club creating inventive scenarios based on no evidence. If Bilinkas can come up with some last minute dramatic evidence and save the day, good for him. Right now, he is flailing. I thought it was Columbo imitation but really doubting that now. It is not looking good for MB.

You seem to be unaware of the consensus at this time here, on L & C and everywhere else.

That is noise. It has nothing to do with what is happening in court. It’s not the court of social media.

[Angela_Freda]

@anon68314200

Yeah so whatever their deal was it is easy to conclude that it was sketchy from the outset. Which likely greatly contributed to the tensions when things fell apart. So if the deal had been on the up and up initially, it wouldn’t have crumbled so disastrously. Which makes me think MB was in not so great shape (mentally/financially) at the outset.

The deal was arranged by Jonathon Kanarek, maybe that’s where the “sketchy” comes in?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@FitzE

Ah, okay, ad hominem attacks on other posters followed by deflection rather than a straightforward answer. Got it.

Jokes on me that I expected more from you. Lesson learned.

I do understand it’s a hard one to answer because it defies logic to believe the memory of a person about one thing who claims he cannot remember basically everything else. I’d hate to have painted myself into that corner as well.

Dude or dudette, watch the trial. It’s on YouTube. Look up the New Jersey articles on self defense by insanity and self defense and imperfect self defense. If the defense train wreck has you so upset you have to bark at other posters ok, fine, if it makes you feel better. I’m just watching the trial and looking stuff up I’m confused by.

MB was the last person known to have the Ruger. He shot LK twice and shot at RG once. He agrees with that. Now, he is trying to be declared not guilty by insanity and self defense.

Good luck with your creativity.

Why do I think RG remembered things better than LK? Gee, blood loss, anesthesia, flatlining, 8 days on a ventilator, heavy pain meds, opioid dreams, PTSD. RG may have a little PTSD too. Don’t forget it happened 2.5 years ago.

I just love y’all’s personal attacks when your little dream bubbles pop.

Personal attacks???

Yeah that’s rich!!

[Sdel]

Anyone think it’s funny that only after RG’s testimony did Hut-ho really come into the thread? Another attempt to shut down the thread so we can’t discuss the trial?

[MHM]

@pony_baloney

I doubt a Doxie cross could reach a man’s groin area when standing. But I don’t know how the dog bit MB when he had RG on top of him.

Personally, I sort of wonder how much value the dogbite evidence really has in the big picture. In a scene like that, with people scrambling around on the ground, and the dog running around in hysterics biting multiple people? Including the cop? It seems hard to really hang your hat on anything definitive there.