Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[MHM]

Was the outdoor camera pointed out towards the barn driveway? I thought it was pointed towards the back porch.

[Angela_Freda]

Referring to EDs testimony, LK did not run around anywhere, wasn’t up and down the steps looking for a phone…
in the call with ED She declared she’d been shot, was losing consciousness, then dropped the phone

No sounds of her beating MB after the two shots.

The injuries to MB couldn’t have happened after she was shot according to that testimony.

[Sdel]

In case anyone is interested…it appears that you can change your vote on the poll.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

There is zero proof that a third shot was aimed and fired at RG. ZERO. Other than RG and LKs testimony.

Ditto for everything else that happened at the house that day until the first police officer showed up.

[Angela_Freda]

If her hands are covered in blood, and officer testifies she had a little but if blood in chest, but MB head was covered in blood…
Why didn’t they test blood on her hands to determine where it came from, since it clearly wasn’t from her wound?

[Libby2563]

@Knights_Mom

@MHM

Funnily enough, I was thinking of this case when I watched one of the new episodes of Law and Order a couple of weeks ago.

On Law and Order, the crime happened in I think early February, and they were in court trying the case in late March. Very, very, very different from what we’ve seen here. Even with a pandemic thrown in.

Cases never ever EVER go to trial that fast in my jurisdiction.

Same. Circuit Courts typically take 12-18 months to go to trial, maybe 9 months if everything goes really smoothly. District Court is faster on average, typically within 6 months, but can stretch on much longer. The most common reasons for delay are defendants failing to appear and defense attorneys seeking continuances.

[KurPlexed]

@Angela_Freda

The injuries to MB couldn’t have happened after she was shot according to that testimony.

Yes this. This is what I’m thinking too. The time stamps of all phone calls would be very helpful.

[EADoug]

@Libby2563

@Sticky_Situation

So ED heard 2 shots. LK had injuries consistent with being shot twice. 2 casings were found at the scene.

So why are LK and RG insisting there was a third shot aimed at him, that there is no evidence of when the other 2 are easily accounted for?

What about the bullet that entered the house through the door and exited out the other window? The 14-degree upward angle is consistent with somebody firing up towards the porch from ground level. The state’s argument is that this is the third round, fired at RG after the two that hit LK. To me the evidence of that round’s trajectory is pretty consistent with RG/LK’s (very muddled) story that MB shot LK first after stepping out from behind the bush, started to follow LK as she ran off towards the side yard, then turned and fired one shot at RG as he was on the porch (or maybe just coming out the door).

I caught part of ED’s testimony and it sounds like the call ended pretty quickly after the first two shots, possibly before that third one was fired, so he might not have heard it.

I agree with this, however, I felt ED was a bit iffy (if not argumentative) on his testimony of how long after the two shots it was, after the phone fell to the ground, before he hung up. I think Bilinkis opened the door for the case that he should have heard the 3rd shot, if there was in fact a 3rd.

[Justice_for_Horses]

I did not say it was a crime to be mentally I’ll. I just wouldn’t want to be around him and thankfully I wont need to be. If he shot someone once he could do it again.

[Angela_Freda]

I think it supports that the shot that hit the hpuse could have been fired from low to the ground at 14* angle upwards during a scuffle between MB and RG with LK over them, who gets hit with two accidental shots fired by who knows, as she leans over them, beating MB in the head. One of the shots to her chest is also the shot that hits the house.
There is no evidence that there was a third shot.

MB is so much taller, to get an upward angle on the shot that hit the house, wouldn’t he have to be on his knees at least??

[MHM]

I think a lot of animal communicators now do it remotely, so maybe Rosie wouldn’t have a chance to bite anyone.

I will say I’ve never used an animal communicator, but I’ve been tempted a few times

Poor Rosie. I’ll bet she could tell some scary stories.

[Libby2563]

@Angela_Freda

If her hands are covered in blood, and officer testifies she had a little but if blood in chest, but MB head was covered in blood…
Why didn’t they test blood on her hands to determine where it came from, since it clearly wasn’t from her wound?

a) She was in the hospital receiving emergency medical treatment, which is pretty good at destroying evidence (around here the police jokingly call the firefighters the Evidence Eradication Unit…their priority is life-saving, not evidence preservation).

b) How would it affect the case, since she already admitted to beating him with her phone? No test on earth could tell which blood got on her hands first, hers or his.

c) DNA testing ain’t free and many jurisdictions have testing backlogs months and months long. Each DNA test conducted in one case directly delays testing in another case, many of which need it much more than this one (think stranger rape or unsolved murder). I guess in an ideal world every piece of evidence in every case would be swabbed and tested for everything imaginable, but sadly we don’t live in that world.

[DownYonder]

@LilRanger

@Justice_for_Horses

So then a mentality I’ll guy walks?

It’s not a crime to be mentally ill. And the state has a high Burden to prove any crime, which is how it should be. It’s the state you should be mad at, not the defendant.

I am so glad you figured out what a “mentality I’ll guy” meant. I have been struggling to determine what the heck that referred to!

[MHM]

@Libby2563

I caught part of ED’s testimony and it sounds like the call ended pretty quickly after the first two shots, possibly before that third one was fired, so he might not have heard it.

He definitely said he only heard two shots. Has there been any witness besides LK/RG who said they heard more than two shots?

[Justice_for_Horses]

Sorry I cant quote on this phone.

[MHM]

@Libby2563

@Knights_Mom

@MHM

Funnily enough, I was thinking of this case when I watched one of the new episodes of Law and Order a couple of weeks ago.

On Law and Order, the crime happened in I think early February, and they were in court trying the case in late March. Very, very, very different from what we’ve seen here. Even with a pandemic thrown in.

Cases never ever EVER go to trial that fast in my jurisdiction.

Same. Circuit Courts typically take 12-18 months to go to trial, maybe 9 months if everything goes really smoothly. District Court is faster on average, typically within 6 months, but can stretch on much longer. The most common reasons for delay are defendants failing to appear and defense attorneys seeking continuances.

Well, in the Law and Order case, the defendant was a big celebrity. So maybe that explains it. Lol.

[erinmeri]

@MHM

Actually, it was interesting that some of the people in the courtroom were wearing masks, but not the major players. Maybe that was a voluntary choice on their part to mask up.

Have you spent time in that neck of NJ? Almost nobody wears masks anymore. I am often the only one in a neighboring county when in stores. That said, perhaps it’s so jury can see faces and understand testimony and questioning? I noticed the thoracic surgeon was wearing one he took off when he took the stand.

[EmilyM]

She said this lawyer OR her father. So if this guy doesn’t remember wouldnt it default to the father assuming it is true? Which I’m not sure we can assume.

[LilRanger]

@Justice_for_Horses

If he shot someone once he could do it again.

The key word is if. The state has to prove he did shoot someone and knew what he was doing was a crime. If the state doesn’t price this then yeah, he can say he didn’t do it.

Trials are far from perfect, but it’s currently the best system available. Vote to increase the pay for your local DAs. Or increase their budget so they can do the work that needs to be done to convict people.

[MHM]

@KurPlexed

@Angela_Freda

The injuries to MB couldn’t have happened after she was shot according to that testimony.

Yes this. This is what I’m thinking too. The time stamps of all phone calls would be very helpful.

If they would be helpful, I’m guessing we will hear about them from the defense. They seem to have been quite thorough on checking their records so far.