Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[RegentLion]

Doesn’t the ear witness lawyer sort of eliminate that, since he called when they’d have been beating MB?

[trubandloki]

@RegentLion

@Ambitious_Kate

The other more realistic possiblity is that they were beating up MB when the ED guy called, and that’s why she didn’t answer, then RG’s phone rings, he gets up momentarily to answer, hands her the phone, MB grabs the gun and shoots her, or RB has the gun and comes back after handing her the phone, and MB wrestles and the gun goes off and shoots her as she’s talking on RB’s phone. That might explain why she didn’t answer her phone, because she had been beating MB with it.

Until I read this I figured the ear witness eliminated the possibility of LK and RG beating up MB before he shot.

But why would you stop beating someone to answer your phone?

Don’t they admit that they choked him out at one point?

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@RegentLion

@Ambitious_Kate

The other more realistic possiblity is that they were beating up MB when the ED guy called, and that’s why she didn’t answer, then RG’s phone rings, he gets up momentarily to answer, hands her the phone, MB grabs the gun and shoots her, or RB has the gun and comes back after handing her the phone, and MB wrestles and the gun goes off and shoots her as she’s talking on RB’s phone. That might explain why she didn’t answer her phone, because she had been beating MB with it.

Until I read this I figured the ear witness eliminated the possibility of LK and RG beating up MB before he shot.

But why would you stop beating someone to answer your phone?

Don’t they admit that they choked him out at one point?

I believe they did.

Did the ear witness lawyer say that he heard MB’s voice? Or he just heard LK say, “MB is here with a gun”?

[Angela_Freda]

@Ambitious_Kate

What if RG shot her? Stood over her and shot her? I can’t get crazy enough to speculate why, but what if? I just don’t think she could shoot herself twice. Once, but not twice. The other more realistic possiblity is that they were beating up MB when the ED guy called, and that’s why she didn’t answer, then RG’s phone rings, he gets up momentarily to answer, hands her the phone, MB grabs the gun and shoots her, or RB has the gun and comes back after handing her the phone, and MB wrestles and the gun goes off and shoots her as she’s talking on RB’s phone. That might explain why she didn’t answer her phone, because she had been beating MB with it.

@Angela_Freda

What if they beat MB, including choking him to unconsciousness, then RG shot her, in an attempt to frame MB?

@MHM

At that point, wouldn’t it have been easier to just shoot the unconscious MB? Rather than LK? And claim self defense?

I’m thinking he didn’t expect her to survive.

[MHM]

Wait, what?

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Killing MB would not have tortured him enough.

Good point

[Danvers]

I too am confused – what was the point of the sweet (looked frightened) girls (Osborne) testimony? That the police didn’t pay attention to her words? And did it sound like the mum is currently in a relationship or was in the past…? This trial is so intense - I had tears watching the witnesses for the defense today - I did replay Philip Dutton testimony… he is a Super Hero! Be still my heart…

[MHM]

@Danvers

I too am confused – what was the point of the sweet (looked frightened) girls (Osborne) testimony?

I think the defense was trying to establish that everybody on the property was afraid of LK/RG, which might have made MB’s fears sound more legitimate. And wasn’t there some discussion on a previous thread about RG threatening one of the working students? But the prosecutor and the judge did not let them get very far with that idea.

I did notice that the judge seemed quite friendly to the working student witness.

[Danvers]

Thank you, and he should have - those poor kids! broke my heart!

[Sdel]

What does everyone think the prosecution’s was thinking about the defense bringing up two Olympic medalists to be character witnesses? Do you think he kind of gave up a bit there? After all of the witnesses today kind of broke up every single justification LK tried to present towards “motive”……

[eggbutt]

@Danvers

I too am confused – what was the point of the sweet (looked frightened) girls (Osborne) testimony? That the police didn’t pay attention to her words? And did it sound like the mum is currently in a relationship or was in the past…? This trial is so intense - I had tears watching the witnesses for the defense today - I did replay Philip Dutton testimony… he is a Super Hero! Be still my heart…

Ms Osborne was not allowed to testify to how terrified she was of RG and why. I can’t imagine why Taylor felt her testimony was not relevant.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@RegentLion

But why would you stop beating someone to answer your phone?

Her phone rings, they don’t answer, his phone rings right after, sounds like an important call. Who knows what calls they were expecting and why.

[haleybot]

It does suggest that doesn’t it. But LK used her left hand/arm to demonstrate him shooting her…

[MHM]

@haleybot

It does suggest that doesn’t it. But LK used her left hand/arm to demonstrate him shooting her…

I believe she used both hands at different times.

[Danvers]

so far we have only heard of two shots, correct?

[MHM]

@Danvers

so far we have only heard of two shots, correct?

The earwitness very clearly said he only heard two shots, and the police only recovered two shell casings at the crime scene.

[Roser123]

@eggbutt

Ms Osborne was not allowed to testify to how terrified she was of RG and why. I can’t imagine why Taylor felt her testimony was not relevant.

They also cut her off when she was asked if she was afraid of the dog, so those were probably 2 things they’d hoped she’d be allowed to testify to.

[libgrrl]

Lefties do many selective things with the other hand. I write with my left, play guitar and tennis with my right. I also use scissors with my right.

[SlamDunk]

I think the dog just gets shut down quickly because it is irrelevant. The working student being afraid of the dog has nothing to do with whether or not Michael was a afraid of the dog. If they wanted, they could introduce evidence of eye witness’s testifying to Micheal’s interactions with the dog but they haven’t (probably because Micheal wasn’t afraid of the dog). They also haven’t entered any evidence of the dog being part of Micheals self defence claim. The defence hasn’t entered any evidence suggesting a version of events with regards to the shooting. They haven’t brought forth an expert in ballistics, any sort of analysis of the crime scene etc. Heck even someone to talk about how it would be possible for Lauren’s shirt to not have gunshot residue but for it to somehow be possible for her to have fired a gun as you guys are suggesting. They haven’t presented any of it, presumably because they can’t, because the evidence doesn’t help them.

In my opinion the defence just throwing the kitchen sink at this and hoping the jury won’t vote him guilty because LK and RG are terrible people. And they definitely are, this isn’t really in dispute. His two expert witnesses were pointless today and did nothing to prove Micheal was criminally insane at the time of the shooting. If anything they proved the opposite, that Michael was struggling mentally but otherwise was pretty coherent (other than the memory loss). One ruled out delusional thought under the prosecution cross examination. I find the defences case extremely weak so far, sometimes I question if I’m watching a completely different trial

[MHM]

@Sdel

What does everyone think the prosecution’s was thinking about the defense bringing up two Olympic medalists to be character witnesses? Do you think he kind of gave up a bit there? After all of the witnesses today kind of broke up every single justification LK tried to present towards “motive”……

I felt like the prosecutor was at a little bit of a loss there.

There wasn’t really anything he could say to AB and PD on the cross examination other than to verify that they were not actually on the farm that day to see what happened. And he did bring up the ancient history of the fire at PD’s barn, for all the good that did him.

I don’t think there was really anything he could say to AB without looking like a gigantic insensitive monster following the testimony she gave.