Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[Angela_Freda]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

LK and RG are his star witnesses. The prosecution should have done a LOT more homework on LKs postings. Maybe if he had… he would have decided to decline to prosecute this entire thing. Because it’s a freaking mess

This

[trubandloki]

@EADoug

Simring “I’m getting hungry your honour”
Taylor “Well that cinches it then! We’ll take lunch”

Did this really happen? I just love it.

[eggbutt]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@EADoug

The great distinction - Anyone can be ‘concerned’ - but it’s the preoccupation that leads to the delusion.

Oh. I feel for the Prosecution. I don’t think this is going the way he felt it would be going.

Un.flap.a.ble. - Overwhelming evidence.

This is a weird angle… hypothetical is sounding weird.

I lost all sympathy for the prosecution when he tried to discredit Simring’s diagnosis and report on the basis of one particular LK post. And then, later, the prosecution admits he only researched the details behind that one post.

LK and RG are his star witnesses. The prosecution should have done a LOT more homework on LKs postings. Maybe if he had… he would have decided to decline to prosecute this entire thing. Because it’s a freaking mess.

Especially coupled with the absolutely pathetic police department handling of all of it.

[Angela_Freda]

@Ambitious_Kate

She probably has open warrants. She bounces around from FLA, to NC to NJ and avoids arrest or service, but most drug addicts have open warrants that can stay open for years and years and only get addressed when she gets stopped at a traffic stop, which she won’t because she doesn’t drive, probably because she’s lost her license, or, possibly because having one would track her down for these warrants, or when some other legal issue comes up, the open warrants/arrests get addressed, or, from filing taxes, she can be found. They probably found open warrants or arrests she never came to court for, and this can build up a lengthy list easily for drug addicts who skate on legal issues, which she is known to do

Which must make renting an apt difficult.

[MHM]

@EADoug

I think they may well have been scared. But the distinction will still be that they weren’t scared for their own LIVES. They may have disliked LK/RG, they may have feared them yelling at them or making a scene, they may have feared them making their lives more stressful and unpleasant… but they didn’t think LK was going to KILL them.

Even if we had all their testimony, I do not get the impression that Simring would change his opinion. MB was interpreting LKs behaviour on a different scale the rest of them.

I concur.

It sounded like everyone at the farm was scared, but MB’s fears were at an entirely different level than the rest of them, whether or not everyone else realized it.

[RegentLion]

@EADoug

I think they may well have been scared. But the distinction will still be that they weren’t scared for their own LIVES. They may have disliked LK/RG, they may have feared them yelling at them or making a scene, they may have feared them making their lives more stressful and unpleasant… but they didn’t think LK was going to KILL them.

Even if we had all their testimony, I do not get the impression that Simring would change his opinion. MB was interpreting LKs behaviour on a different scale the rest of them.

At this point, it’s a real shame that they weren’t allowed to clarify that. I understand not confusing the jury with details that are not overall relevant to the case, but it seems like a lot has been thrown out.

A general feeling of unquiet, amorphous fear, concern, would have certainly contributed to someone’s fragile mental state.

[RegentLion]

Yes it did!

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

concur.

It sounded like everyone at the farm was scared, but MB’s fears were at an entirely different level than the rest of them, whether or not everyone else realized it.

Exactly, the horses got cared for, the horses got worked, etc… so the rest of them, while fearful, still were functioning. Bathing, eating, sleeping, etc

[DownYonder]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

She absolutely just pushed to make him snap. No long term thinking on her part. It was about seizing control, and something similar to narcissistic rage. Which is pretty specific and impulsive, and just my opinion. But that’s what I think drove her in the final days and hours before the shooting.

Yes, the “I will win” mentality of someone with major league NPD accompanied by delusions of grandeur and God knows what other mental illnesses (and exacerbated by substance abuse mental disorders).

[trubandloki]

@RegentLion

Yes it did!

I think I love the doctor even more!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Angela_Freda

Which must make renting an apt difficult.

Hmmm . Perhaps this why JK negotiated some of the rentals for her, and writes checks that are drawn from her accounts?

What a mess.

I know little of the background information related to JK, and why some posters have such strong opinions about him. What is clear though is that LK has had addiction problems for years, and on some level, he has enabled her for years. But… this dynamic happens with great parents as well, who love their kids, but then the kids develop addiction issues. It’s all really sad to me. I’ve experienced serious issues within my family… but addiction wasn’t one of them.

[MHM]

I have a few thoughts.

First of all, I think Dr. Simring will be joining the jury in never, ever wanting to hear the word Facebook mentioned again. Ever!!!

Secondly, I think if MB had ever mentioned his mental health issues to or in front of LK, that was a terrible mistake, as it turned out. But of course, he may not have mentioned them in front of her, but in front of a recording device.

Also, I was struck by the fact that pretty much all the defense witnesses commented on how MB always seemed so happy, so upbeat, so much fun to be around before the recent changes in his behavior.

But then it turns out that he had been seeing a therapist for years, and battling depression for years, and I believe the therapist told Dr. Simring that she had been concerned about the risk of MB committing suicide for years.

It just really makes you stop and realize that you can think you know everything about a person, when in fact, you have no idea.

[MorganSercu]

I’m not certain the prosecution read more than 100 of them.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@DownYonder

Yes, the “I will win” mentality of someone with major league NPD accompanied by delusions of grandeur and God knows what other mental illnesses (and exacerbated by substance abuse mental disorders).

Yup. The only caveat I would make? I think she’s a combo of NPD and a sociopath.

Often cluster bs are combo disorders. Such as a Borderline Personality disorder with narcissistic features. Or a narcissistic personality disorder with borderline features.

Or… a narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic features.

But… narcissistic rage is a SERIOUS thing. People who have encountered a full blown NPD person, and had the misfortune to get into a personal power struggle with them? Well… you learn what narcissistic rage is all about, and how these sorts of people go into “scorched earth” mode.

That’s what I think was happening on 08/05 - 08/07 … especially combined with that whole “finish the ba$tard” text LK sent on 8/07. Or whatever that particular text said.

It all reeks of narcissistic rage.

[eggbutt]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I know little of the background information related to JK, and why some posters have such strong opinions about him

He is known for fighting her battles for her including flying to NC to get in the face of a barn owner. It didn’t work. Many people don’t back down to bullies.

Recall that Bilinkas has tried to get on the record that three people conspired to destroy MB and they were LK, RG and JK. He was in on all of it.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

One of the saddest, most unbelievable aspects of this situation is her father knew everything she was saying, posting, doing and did NOTHING. His little girl can do no wrong.

Yeah, I have been wondering how Daddy-O is feeling now, with his daughter’s dirty laundry being aired in court, on TV, on the Internet, by an eminently qualified highly trained and highly respected psychiatrist.

Of course it could be that Daddy-O is also scared of his little girl, so didn’t dare try to interfere in her war games.

[Jealoushe]

Don’t forget, drugs can cause people to become unstable and what not, and if already an underlying issue going on, drugs just make it that much worse.

Drugs can take a normal kind person, and turn them into an absolute monster.

[eggbutt]

I’m curious how much pressure is being put on ABC right now to stop the 48 Hours segment? It’s going to get much uglier for that family.

[MorganSercu]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Often cluster bs are combo disorders. So ch as a Borderline Personality disorder with narcissistic features. Or a narcissistic personality disorder with borderline features.

They definitely can be but another classic combo is a BPD and an NPD starting a relationship. That would be my experience. However - my BPD parent knew from childhood that something was “off” about their reactions and beliefs. After having me said parent was in therapy for YEARS and WORKED HARD at it. So despite the screaming, the beatings and having to be hyper-aware of the mood of the house and my surroundings - I KNEW my BPD parent did NOT want to be like this but had no or few tools in that ‘how to be a parent’ tool kit to deal with a relatively normal child but one with less fear of anger than BPD parent (thanks NPD parent. I guess).

Anyway, it is vanishingly small that a person with BPD wants to overhaul their personality and sets out to do it. In that sense, I won the life lottery. We are on very good terms now and have been for quite a number of years. It really really helped when I found out/figured out how my NPD parent set up BPD parent to go crazy and then look good in comparison.

They’re still together. BPD parent is far less nuts. NPD parent is slightly less so, but now racist and far FAR too interested in collecting guns and ammo.

Anyway. I’m not impressed with clan Kanarek. I doubt Lauren’s basic personality is widely different from more than one member of the immediate and extended families.

[EADoug]

@MHM

Also, I was struck by the fact that pretty much all the defense witnesses commented on how MB always seemed so happy, so upbeat, so much fun to be around before the recent changes in his behavior.

But then it turns out that he had been seeing a therapist for years, and battling depression for years, and I believe the therapist told Dr. Simring that she had been concerned about the risk of MB committing suicide for years.

It just really makes you stop and realize that you can think you know everything about a person, when in fact, you have no idea.

Sometimes the happiest people in your life are the saddest… Robin Williams comes to mind.

People deal with their daemons in different ways and everybody has a story.