Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

I don’t know. In August it looks like two parties using SS as a weapon which by itself is a violation. That would mean banning MB, MHG, and LK. At this point, it’s all in the courts, everyone was scared and stressed, and MB’s deteriorating mental condition was scaring and grieving everyone. LK’s and RG’s behavior was scary to everyone. If it is correct that LK was/is in recovery from heroine use, then his deteriorating mental state could have been a large factor in her increased agitation, then hers feeding his, etc. I suspect this is two people crossing paths at the wrong time. I suspect that he was on his way to a breakdown anyway, which in a perfect world may have led to a quiet placement in a mental treatment center provided someone else then did not become his obsession. I suspect, his instability had a strong effect on LK at a time she needed to be in a stable stable environment. I suspect that not only is MB high risk of suicide or as he has shown, worse, this puts her at risk of dropping out of recovery and more self harm including suicide. I think all of their parents and friends are distraught over how all this turned out and felt helpless to stop it. His lawyer friend testified to screaming at him. The parent bashing is odd. Once kids are in their teens, they are hard to control and once drugs are involved, help is limited.

I don’t think SS will act on this because it’s too complicated and murky but future behavior may receive swift action. If SS went after every rude, high stress, person who could be a jerk to others, and misused drugs and alcohol, who would be left?

Hmm. Again, sounds a lot like someone who “knows everything,” but with a bit of a slant towards one side.

Nope. Just horrified at the whole situation, reading, and watching testimony. Don’t know anyone involved.

[chancellor2]

Did someone say that 48 hours was going to do a show about this case? If that is true, does anyone know when it is on?

[MorganSercu]

Generally speaking it takes months of arguing & editing then having lawyers vetting it before they are available.

[hut-ho78]

@Warmblood1

I wouldn’t be surprised if IM = LK.

Please do not attempt to dox anyone and get the thread shut down.

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

Fake tears = no runny nose

Unless you snort wasabi. That works.

The extremely wide range of things you can learn on this BB never ceases to amaze me. Lol.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Nope. Just horrified at the whole situation, reading, and watching testimony. Don’t know anyone involved.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

Well, as Ghazzu (sp) pulled up USEF does anyone think USEF will find a reason to boot her?

GR702 Violations

1. A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not limited to the following:
   a. Violation of the Code of Conduct or any rules of the Federation.
   b. Disqualification by a Licensed Competition.
   c. Determination that disciplinary action has been taken by an administrative agency, arbitration or other
   tribunal body, humane society, other National Governing Body, or a court of law. (impeachment? - MS)
   d. Acting or inciting or permitting any other to act in a manner contrary to the rules of the Federation, or in a
   manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best
   interests of the sport and the Federation.
   e. Any act committed or remark made in connection with the competition considered offensive and/or made
   with the intent to influence or cast aspersions on the character or integrity of the licensed officials, (Did she do this? - MS) approaching a judge before or after a decision without first obtaining permission from the show committee or steward/technical delegate, inspecting a judge’s card without the judge’s permission, or public verbal abuse of competition officials.
   f. Physical assault upon a person and/or cruelty to a horse as defined in GR838.
   g. Failure to obey any penalty imposed by the Federation.
   h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer.
   i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended
   person.
   j. Failure to pay indebtedness to the Federation or indebtedness for hearing transcripts or other hearing
   expenses arranged through the Federation.
   k. Participating in any manner at a licensed competition while not in good standing or competing horses not
   in good standing at a licensed competition. (See GR137)
   l. Prescribing, dispensing, or administering a drug by a veterinarian which results in a finding of a prohibited
   substance. In the event a positive report is received by the Federation for a horse or pony to which a prohibited substance has been administered in any manner and the veterinarian is identified in any manner as the source of said prohibited substance, said violation will be addressed pursuant to GR412.
   m. Any action which is subject to Reciprocity by the Federation under the Federation Bylaws. (Yes? No? - MS)
   n Retaliation may be considered any adverse action taken by an individual against a person participating in a USEF proceeding. BOD 11/22/21 Effective 12/1/21

Ooo, good catch regarding 1.e, given her sworn testimony on the stand about dressage judges. That sounds like a completely valid charge for USEF.

[kris0227]

Regarding all of these suspensions, etc. it’s really rather simple. There are drug tests for sports, most people think of the horses being drug tested, but the IOC also has requirements (followed by FEI and I believe USEF as well) for the human athletes. Obviously, Heroin would be a banned substance, I would bet money that Suboxone would be as well.

I don’t have time to research the specifics about this at the moment, but maybe someone else does. That would be far more concrete than going down the harassment route.

[KarenK]

I’m new to this forum and I’ll be more than happy to give her my name to save her the time lol

[eggbutt]

I completely understand how my posts came across as an obsessed stalker of LK and her supporters followed her lead at bashing anyone who spoke out against her. I hope it can be understood exactly WHY I was compelled to continue pushing back her extremely exaggerated and fantasized posts about me and my family. Her goal is to always make the criticism go silent by threats or lies.

[Ghazzu]

@Jealoushe

CoTH has previously dealt with someone similar…I’m sure they learned a thing or two from the NP thing.

Didn’t the Rev. Buck also threaten to sue, or was he just in litigation with Dr. Cook?

[MHM]

@RegentLion

Yeah, I have been watching. Just seems odd that CoTH waited until the trial and cited as the reason for finally banning.

Let’s not forget that for as much as we all enjoy the BB here, it is an offshoot of the website for a niche magazine in a very niche market.

So they are probably not in a hurry to get in legal tangles with anyone if they can possibly avoid it by erring on the side of caution in that regard.

[LiberalSnowflake]

Spawn?

[Syrynx]

I just queued up Youtube on my TV to watch today and it already shows 303 people waiting.

[Warmblood1]

@kris0227

Obviously, Heroin would be a banned substance, I would bet money that Suboxone would be as well.

Suboxone is a prescription medication?

[MHM]

@Jealoushe

@RegentLion

Didn’t realize The Maestro was banned.

I am surprised I guess, that they waited until now. But as a private BB they can do what they want! It’s not a criticism, by any means, just musing

oh yes, he took CoTH to court and everything. And lost. LOL

I did not know that, but I managed to stay only vaguely aware of him anyway.

[Jealoushe]

@Warmblood1

I wouldn’t be surprised if IM is an alter.

I think the mod can tell, and block if there are alters being used under the same IPs.

[kris0227]

That is correct. But there are many prescription medications that are considered banned substances by the ioc, some you can get exemptions for, but that one would be a hard one to get by.

[LiberalSnowflake]

Sorry, great minds! Just catching up.

[trubandloki]

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

I wouldn’t be surprised if IM is an alter.

I think the mod can tell, and block if there are alters being used under the same IPs.

I am not saying it is or is not an alter, but even if it is, there are lots of ways around that whole IP address thing.