Barisone Trial This Month

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@Inigo-montoya

There’s a simple reason he didn’t take the plea……he doesn’t suffer from delusional paranoia……he suffers from delusional narcissism. If he took the stand it would take the prosecutor 5 minutes to get him to shout out “damn right I ordered the code red.”
A claim of child abuse 50 years ago or a claim of some form of PTSD is not and should not be a “get out of jail free” card.
If that were the case we could empty the prisons……every violent felon has some excuse.
That said……you never know what a jury will do.

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[Joanne]

Have to say that I watched all the episodes of Southland and I do not recall hearing “double tap” in any of them. /s

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@CurrentlyHorseless

OK. Hut-ho has said she is not connected to any of the principals, and I believe her.

And yet you chose to assign me motives that do not exist and question my integrity (not the word I wanted - but that will do for the moment) …

Ok then.

@hut-ho78

I do not understand what appears to be the excusing of his conduct. Nothing official has come out in any way showing an immediate threat to him. Being verbalized to his knees by LK in a hissy fit does not justify what he did.

I have not seen any excusing of MB’s conduct. Just a lot of speculating about why he did it and how it happened. But unless you are in full throat on these threads constantly screaming for MB’s messed up head, you are labelled a fangirl or must hate LK or are not empathetic to a gunshot victim or what have you…

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@Scribbler

I have certainly seen enough posters on all kinds of topics on COTH and all kinds of platforms who engage just to stir the pot, so it’s not an uncommon phenomena.

As far as screenshots mentioned agsin by @hut-ho78, I can only repeat that this is very common, probably ubiquitous, in more sophisticated SM users, especially content creators. Not something us casual SM users do but obviously the first step in any reaction video or similar.

Agreed. I think some grab screenshots because once captured, they cannot be edited - and if the original gets deleted, there is a copy.

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@smoofox

Agreed. I think some grab screenshots because once captured, they cannot be edited - and if the original gets deleted, there is a copy.

THIS!

[RND]

@3PonyFarm

This is a general legal question for @OneBellBoot and @soloudinhere. I would be curious of others thoughts too.
I was always of the impression that insanity defenses had a low success rate and as a result, not used very often. Are defenses like Black-rage insanity defense and Gay/Trans panic defense gaining in popularity in the courtroom and are they successful? If not, are these people just put into the general prison population if found guilty? That would seem dangerous for all if that was done. Are there other other defenses similar to these making their way into the courtroom? Thanks!

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this. What kind of evidence is going to be presented that will prove that MB went insane because of the situation at the farm? I would think that maybe his interactions with others around the time of the shooting might come into play. Simply presenting social media posts and text messages alone are not going to prove this. Will some of his staff or boarders or others close to him take the stand to say that he was acting in ways that would be considered insane around that time? How do you prove that someone didn’t know that shooting someone is wrong?

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@rothmpp

I’m not Fiesta1, but I can opine if you’d like.

I work in the industry. An industry that by it’s nature is filled with ex/retired military. I’ve never heard the term double tap used outside TV shows and movies. I’ve never heard any of the military personnel use that term in person - maybe they do among themselves, but it’s not something they use around non-military situations IME. The term center mass? Sure, but not double tap.

General observation, not specific to the MB/LK incident:

As far as the ease or lack thereof, there are so many factors that it would be difficult to really state how difficult it might have been. The caliber of the gun. The manufacturer of the gun. The grain of the bullets. Any modifications to the gun. The size of the user’s hands. The hand strength of the user. The experience of the user. All of those factor into the recoil control of a gun once fired. I have a 45 that hurts my wrist with the recoil and I know what I’m doing. I also have a 22 that has essentially no recoil.

Then there is the situational effects. Close quarter vs a distance away can affect what/how the user deals with recoil. We’ve been told this was point blank. If they were wrestling for control of the gun, then how much recoil is hugely affected, to the point that any shots may have occurred completely by accident rather than intentionally. I’m not saying that is what happened, just that once again, it is not an unreasonable hypo. As one poster is fond of saying - run a movie in your head - with two people wrestling over a gun and see how easy it could be for an accidental firing.

Very good. The strength of the hand is not that important though unless the mechanism on the trigger is stiff. Gripping tightly causes bad aim.

Think maintaining one’s correct seat while gripping with the legs or stiffening the back.

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You actually sound as though you are being interviewed as an expert witness for all things firearm related for the trial! May we see charts please?

[MHM]

Thank you for your service. And your input here.

[Sdel]

@RND

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this.

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH and the pictures of MB’s head feature and the cops testimony alludes to….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@RND

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this.

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH feature….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

Hiding in the bushes in fear or ambush?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@RND

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this.

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH and the pictures of MB’s head feature and the cops testimony alludes to….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

But if LK was on her cell phone talking to the ear witness when the shots were fired, her bashing MB on the head with the cell phone obviously occurred after he fired the gun.

[3PonyFarm]

I am certainly not an attorney or have any legal knowledge beyond some Grisham books, but I wondered if the insanity defense was going to be used to mitigate one of the charges such as the gun charge. How it would be done or if it could be done, I do not know. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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OMG!

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@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@RND

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this.

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH and the pictures of MB’s head feature and the cops testimony alludes to….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

But if LK was on her cell phone talking to the ear witness when the shots were fired, her bashing MB on the head with the cell phone obviously occurred after he fired the gun.

Why obviously? Why couldn’t she attack him and beat him with her phone first? What’s your tell-tell sign that she didn’t?

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[Sdel]

No it doesn’t. Your reaching. Besides…an ear witness is not very reliable. They lack perspective. They can’t tell if she’s shrieking because she’s about to attack him or if he’s about to shoot the dog.

[HappyTalk]

LOL, my husband is a former Ranger. He calls it “Hollywood” talk.

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@Knights_Mom

Double tap means shot then shot again to make sure the person shot is down and its most notably made famous in the zombie movie with Woody Harrelson “Zombieland”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombieland:_Double_Tap

I got it all from Zombie movies. Oh dear. Sarcasm is a no no in SM. Think about the audience. Right. Leave it here.

[hut-ho78]

See. Zombie movies. And you can find anything on the internet.

Double tap

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

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@Sdel

@RND

I’ve been thinking about this too - according to NJ law, MB’s lawyer is going to have to prove that MB was not capable of understanding that his actions were wrong at the time of the offense. I get that there is evidence that LK acted in ways that escalated the living situation at the farm, but normal adults don’t go insane and suddenly think it is ok to shoot someone in a situation like this.

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH and the pictures of MB’s head feature and the cops testimony alludes to….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

But if LK was on her cell phone talking to the ear witness when the shots were fired, her bashing MB on the head with the cell phone obviously occurred after he fired the gun.

Why obviously? Why couldn’t she attack him and beat him with her phone first? What’s your tell-tell sign that she didn’t?
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The ear witness will be crucial.

If the narrative is as LK describes, she is on the cell phone talking with someone. What does the ear witness hear? Two people talking briefly, then shots fired.

If there is no sound of a “scuffle”, or a dropped connection, before the ear witness hears the shots fired, then he shot her before she bashed him with the phone.