Barisone Trial This Month

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

Double tap means shot then shot again to make sure the person shot is down and its most notably made famous in the zombie movie with Woody Harrelson “Zombieland”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombieland:_Double_Tap

I got it all from Zombie movies. Oh dear. Sarcasm is a no no in SM. Think about the audience. Right. Leave it here.

Gotcha. When you get caught wrong say it’s a joke. Sarcasm. Woohoo!!

So much for it being police and military!!

[RND]

@Sdel

I think you are purposefully missing the point. Diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia can certainly be caused by blunt force trauma to the head and or partial unconsciousness….both of which LK’s narrative on CotH and the pictures of MB’s head feature and the cops testimony alludes to….but hiding in the bushes is a sign of fear…and LK approached him first.

I think many here do not understand what has to be proven by the defense in order to be successful with an insanity plea.

I’m really not so sure that diminished capacity, delusions, and amnesia are by themselves proof that someone did not know that it is wrong to shoot someone. Plenty of people suffer from those afflictions and don’t shoot people, so there has to be another step after proving that those things were true to show that MB didn’t know it was wrong to shoot LK.

Pictures of someone’s head and/or partial unconsciousness cannot prove that the person did not know it is wrong to shoot someone. Hiding in bushes does not prove that someone did not know it is wrong to shoot another person. Blunt force trauma does not prove that someone did not know it is wrong to shoot someone.

Many people have suffered all of the above and as a result did not think it is ok to shoot someone. If this was all it took to prove insanity, everyone accused of a violent crime could claim insanity due to fear and they all would be acquitted. My question still stands: how does a lawyer prove that his client did not know that it was wrong to shoot someone? Maybe we will find out the answer, or maybe MB will go to jail for a very long time. Or maybe something in between.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

No it doesn’t. Your reaching. Besides…an ear witness is not very reliable. They lack perspective. They can’t tell if she’s shrieking because she’s about to attack him or if he’s about to shoot the dog.

The ear witness will have heard the gun shots and will have heard whether the gunshots were preceded by conversation or by a physical struggle.

I’m not trying to convert you.

[hut-ho78]

Silly. I thought you would be happy I read your post and thought it was funny. Please see my second post right under this one. It’s the military wiki one.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Silly. I thought you would be happy I read your post and thought it was funny. Please see my second post right under this one. It’s the military wiki one.

Sure. I believe you. Really.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Two people talking briefly, then shots fired.

If there is no sound of a “scuffle”, or a dropped connection, before the ear witness hears the shots fired, then he shot her before she bashed him with the phone.

WHERE DID YOU HEAR THIS??? There hasn’t been one word about what this ear witness heard. What’s your source???

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If the narrative is as LK describes, she is on the cell phone talking with someone. What does the ear witness hear? Two people talking briefly, then shots fired.

Big if. And not likely. She’s already claimed results involving the bullets that are physical impossibility.

[Sdel]

@RND

Pictures of someone’s head and/or partial unconsciousness cannot prove that the person did not know it is wrong to shoot someone. Hiding in bushes does not prove that someone did not know it is wrong to shoot another person. Blunt force trauma does not prove that someone did not know it is wrong to shoot someone.

Still working hard to ignore the obvious.

[eggbutt]

I still want to know where @CurrentlyHorseless heard what the ear witness heard!

[hut-ho78]

@Fiesta01

Once I hit field grade, yes we were required to qualify on the Beretta M9. As to the rest of my service of 25 years, I will not discuss on a public bulletin board.

ETA: Military types in my personal experience don’t use military jargon except with other military. In the civilian arena, there is well-known language used to insure understanding of civilians. The ones who I encountered who continue to use the military jargon in inappropriate settings tend to be the ones wishing to appear macho, thus my comment. (We used to call them the Captain America types).

Oh gosh dang it. Here I was thinking of a DMing you to ask when you served, your branch of service, MOS, and where you were stationed. I love the Captain America comment.

[eggbutt]

You really, really are beginning to sound exactly like a long gone poster!

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

Oh gosh dang it. Here I was thinking of a DMing you to ask when you served, your branch of service, MOS, and where you were stationed. I love the Captain America comment.

Why on earth would you think it’s your place to grill another poster on their credentials? Military or otherwise??

[eggbutt]

Anyone else have a sense of deja vu and Yankee Duchess?

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The ear witness will have heard the gun shots and will have heard whether the gunshots were preceded by conversation or by a physical struggle.

You must have much better cell phone service than I do most of the time. I’m glad if I can hear the other person speaking to me, never mind any background noises.

I would also think the credibility of the alleged earwitness would depend a lot on who it turned out to be.

[RND]

@Sdel

Still working hard to ignore the obvious.

I’m really not - how do you think that a picture of someone’s head, or any of the rest that you quoted here, proves that person did not know it was wrong to shoot someone? I am honestly curious; I have worked extensively in root cause analysis and I just don’t see the direct connection between any of those things, in and of themselves, and being declared insane by NJ law’s definition. I am honestly asking you to explain it.

Do you really think that MB’s lawyer can present to the jury a picture of his bloody head and say, “see, he was insane!”, and they will look at the picture and think to themselves, “well his head has blood on it, clearly he did not know it was wrong to shoot someone”?

[Fiesta01]

@rothmpp

I have a 45 that hurts my wrist with the recoil and I know what I’m doing. I also have a 22 that has essentially no recoil.

Ha! I was always happy we were only required to familiarize with the 45, unlike the 22 Beretta and M16 with which we had to qualify. Although quite adept with the 22 and M16, I’m positive I couldn’t hit the proverbial broad side of a barn with a 45. Hate those things.

[Sdel]

@MHM

I would also think the credibility of the earwitness would depend a lot on who it turned out to be.

I don’t think it’s really that much of a mystery.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

The ear witness will have heard the gun shots and will have heard whether the gunshots were preceded by conversation or by a physical struggle.

You must have much better cell phone service than I do most of the time. I’m glad if I can hear the other person speaking to me, never mind any background noises.

I would also think the credibility of the earwitness would depend a lot on who it turned out to be.

Well, you’d hear the gun shots easily enough. I was assuming it would be easy to distinguish between muffled conversation vs muffled grunts and scuffling.

I think the leading candidate for the ear witness would be LKs lawyer negotiating the departure.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the leading candidate for the ear witness would be LKs lawyer negotiating the departure.

Maybe in your movie.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the leading candidate for the ear witness would be LKs lawyer negotiating the departure.

Maybe in your movie.

OK, so who does Sdel think it is?

Recasting the role of the ear witness makes very little difference to the story line of my movie.

If you play a different movie in your head, that’s totally cool; I’m not trying to convert anyone.