Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[skydy]

From the Jaffer article (bolding mine);

“Barisone also was found not guilty by reason of insanity on a charge of possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose in the case of Kanarek and not guilty on other charges–attempted murder, aggravated assault and possession of a weapon in regard to Kanarek’s boyfriend, Robert Goodwin.
Although both had been in court as spectators on one day of the trial, they and Kanarek’s parents–who had been in attendance through much of the proceedings–were not on hand for the verdict.”

[Pocket_Rocket]

Oh, sorry! To shoot oneself in the foot is an expression used when someone has done something that backfires on them instead of the outcome they expected. Perhaps it’s a local idiom?

[erinmeri]

@skydy

From the Jaffer article (bolding mine);

“Barisone also was found not guilty by reason of insanity on a charge of possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose in the case of Kanarek and not guilty on other charges–attempted murder, aggravated assault and possession of a weapon in regard to Kanarek’s boyfriend, Robert Goodwin.
Although both had been in court as spectators on one day of the trial, they and Kanarek’s parents–who had been in attendance through much of the proceedings–were not on hand for the verdict. ”

Weird. Why do we think that is? That is VERY odd.

[jellybean2]

It’s like they knew!

[KurPlexed]

Bla bla bla bla bla

[Callista17]

I didn’t accuse LK of anything…I asked Seeker if she had any comments on what Lala had said. I am sorry if you misunderstood.

[erinmeri]

From the Jagger article “Although both had been in court as spectators on one day of the trial, they and Kanarek’s parents–who had been in attendance through much of the proceedings–were not on hand for the verdict.”

Am i the only one who finds that bizarre? Maybe @seeker1 can enlighten us. Why be at the trial daily and not be there for the verdict?

Edit: be not he. Big thumbs.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

As IM pointed out before being predictably deleted, why should LK care whether MB goes to prison for 20 years or goes to a mental institution until he is deemed no longer a risk?

If MB went to prison, LK could have sought restitution and liens on his property. Don’t fall for the bait.

She has a civil case against MB, RC, and SGF, which has been stayed pending the resolution of the criminal case. It can now proceed.

Don’t you remember the OJ case in which OJ was full on acquitted (not just NGI), and Ron Goldman’s family obtained a large civil judgement against OJ?

In the OJ case, the jury determined that the state had not met its burden on the elements of the case, and the Goldman family still won their civil case.

In this case, the NGI verdict means that the jury determined that MB did attempt to murder LK beyond a reasonable doubt. That court finding can now be used in LKs civil case.

That’s why a hung jury or a straight guilty plea would have been worse for LK. Either those verdicts would have meant that the criminal case remained unresolved.

[Knights_Mom]

To hide the reaction.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

As IM pointed out before being predictably deleted, why should LK care whether MB goes to prison for 20 years or goes to a mental institution until he is deemed no longer a risk?

If MB went to prison, LK could have sought restitution and liens on his property. Don’t fall for the bait.

She has a civil case against MB, RC, and SGF, which has been stayed pending the resolution of the criminal case. It can now proceed.

Don’t you remember the OJ case in which OJ was full on acquitted (not just NGI), and Ron Goldman’s family obtained a large civil judgement against OJ?

In the OJ case, the jury determined that the state had not met its burden on the elements of the case, and the Goldman family still won their civil case.

In this case, the NGI verdict means that the jury determined that MB did attempt to murder LK beyond a reasonable doubt. That court finding can now be used in LKs civil case.

That’s why a hung jury or a straight guilty plea would have been worse for LK. Either those verdicts would have meant that the criminal case remained unresolved.

Civil attorney for MB will ask for jury trial and then those jurors will have same reaction as these jurors.

[Warmblood1]

Exactly.

[erinmeri]

I should probably say that I think some of the attacks on Lauren’s mom on this thread are inappropriate. That said - not even there for the verdict? Wow.

ETA: getting my threads confused!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Callista17

I didn’t accuse LK of anything…I asked Seeker if she had any comments on what Lala had said. I am sorry if you misunderstood.

My post was a response to KM, not you. KM accused LK of perjury.

[supernatural]

Let’s see how the jury feels about all the evidence against LK that wasn’t even allowed to be admitted at this trial. She is opening a show against her. I don’t see people giving her money.

[Callista17]

My apologies!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@skydy

From the Jaffer article (bolding mine);

“Barisone also was found not guilty by reason of insanity on a charge of possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose in the case of Kanarek and not guilty on other charges–attempted murder, aggravated assault and possession of a weapon in regard to Kanarek’s boyfriend, Robert Goodwin.
Although both had been in court as spectators on one day of the trial, they and Kanarek’s parents–who had been in attendance through much of the proceedings–were not on hand for the verdict. ”

Weird. Why do we think that is? That is VERY odd.

Just guessing: they have not been hanging around the courthouse all week during jury deliberations and couldn’t get to the court on 15 minutes notice?

[Fat_Dinah]

I did some reading, and from what I saw, someone can escape criminal liability with insanity but it does not shield them from financial liability. The verdict in this criminal case could bolster the civil case against Barisone and his co-defendants.

[MHM]

Here is the Court TV coverage of the verdict. It includes a split screen and a brief comment at the end from a different judge.

Verdict is IN! Former Olympian Michael Barisone Learns his Fate

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Callista17

I didn’t accuse LK of anything…I asked Seeker if she had any comments on what Lala had said. I am sorry if you misunderstood.

My post was a response to KM, not you. KM accused LK of perjury.

Actually it was Balinkas who accused LK of perjury and then impeached LK.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

[MHM]

Here is the Law and Crime version that was posted on the other thread.

VERDICT: NJ v Michael Barisone - Former Olympic Horse Trainer Shooting Trial