Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[smoofox]

@hut-ho78

@roseymare

That is not promoting violence it is stating what happened. Someone who was alledged to be villainous was shot.

SillyHorse said villains get shot. KarenK said yes they do and did.

I said those were examples of people promoting violence.

If SillyHorse wanted to say a villain got shot, then SillyHorse could have stated that.

It is possible that in trying to look cool, SillyHorse and KarenK overstate. I hope so. It is unsettling to see these posts especially after LK was shot twice.

Oh for heaven’s sake…no one was promoting violence, try as you might to twist that to be the case.

Throughout all of recorded history, some villains have gotten shot/stabbed/hit with an arrow/run through with a sword… etc.
At the same time, some good guys have gotten shot/stabbed/hit with an arrow/run through with a sword… etc.

In the best case scenario, no one gets shot/stabbed/hit with an arrow/run through with a sword… etc.

[SillyHorse]

@hut-ho78

@KarenK you and SillyHorse promoted violence. I did not. Nothing I typed is a threat to you or SillyHorse.

SOMEONE CALL THE COPS! The Keystone Cops would be appropriate, I think.

[SillyHorse]

@hut-ho78, if you would, please refrain from “liking” any of my posts. It makes me nervous.

[KarenK]

@hut-ho78

@KarenK you and SillyHorse promoted violence.

The comment I made was in NO way promoting (“further the progress of something, especially a cause, venture, or aim); support or actively encourage.) violence but instead making light of an issue that happened in Past tense (“a tense expressing an action that has happened or a state that previously existed.”) NOW for intellectual enrichment (” **the act or process of increasing one’s intellectual or spiritual resources") The world does consist of Very Very bad individuals who perpetuate ( carry out or commit a harmful, illegal, or immoral action) Very Very bad things against others and BAD things happen to those people and I do NOT lose sleep if they do!

[SillyHorse]

@KarenK

@hut-ho78

@KarenK you and SillyHorse promoted violence.

The comment I made was in NO way promoting (“further the progress of something, especially a cause, venture, or aim); support or actively encourage.) violence but instead making light of an issue that happened in Past tense (“a tense expressing an action that has happened or a state that previously existed.”) NOW for intellectual enrichment (” **the act or process of increasing one’s intellectual or spiritual resources") The world does consist of Very Very bad individuals who perpetuate ( carry out or commit a harmful, illegal, or immoral action) Very Very bad things against others and BAD things happen to those people and I do NOT lose sleep if they do!

You might as well give up. Everyone but Hut Ho knows neither of us was doing anything remotely resembling promoting violence. My hunch is that Hut Ho knows it, as well, but is getting a charge out of our responses. Let’s just ignore his/her silliness.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@iberianfan

@Virginia_Horse_Mom, you were attempting to answer, @CurrentlyHorseless, I believe, in explaining how Michael Barisone could be afraid of JK. I went back and listened to some of LK’s testimony. In the days before the shooting, she said that MB was afraid of her father. A couple of days before, she said he was “deathly afraid”.
So, we don’t know the reason, but we do know that MB was, in fact, afraid of JK. We also don’t know when that started. But we do know that JK and LK were planning to sue MB before the shooting. And things were falling apart as early as April when MHG said LK and RG had to leave. And, LK had a plan to destroy MB.

Who stays in a situation where it’s made clear you are not welcome? CH would like to place blame squarely on MB. I think not.

Thank you for following up on this.

Again… why in the world would MB be “deathly afraid” of a 70 something year old lawyer, who had a lifelong white collar career?

And LK is the one who testified to that. She CLEARLY didn’t believe MB was insane. She didn’t want him to get the NGI verdict. Her civil attorney went on Court TV after the verdict and outright claimed MB was faking.

So what RATIONAL reason exists that LK clearly knows something about, that caused MB to be “deathly afraid” of JK?

I will not speculate anymore… especially since certain posters are going NUTS, twisting people’s words, and reporting things said on this thread to prosecutor’s offices, and apparently USEF and SafeSport.

I will simply reiterate that this whole thing where JK allegedly terrified MB… then LK and RG and all of LKs horses stayed at MBs facility for the next several months, at what seems to be a below market rate, with no contract covering the terms and conditions of the rental or boarding arrangement…

That’s very weird. Again… JK is an older lawyer from NJ - I think in his early 70’s. How exactly did he “terrify” MB… who is 6’3”, much younger, and a professional athlete? And let’s be clear, being concerned about someone filing a possible lawsuit is a very different thing than being “terrified” of someone …

[Sparrowette]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Djones

I’ve never eaten good food in Ohio, either. Nor have I ever eaten a cream horn.

Am I still wrong? I wonder if I’ll be reported to the AUTHORITEES.

You will be reported to a federal prosecutor, most likely. That’s how things are going on this thread now. You can’t discuss ANYTHING without people getting outraged, and a few key sock puppets jumping in and trying to use the outrage to spin new and creative counter attacks.

@Virginia_Horse_Mom, I’m becoming more and more convinced that some who are posting that way are just alters for people we are very familiar with. Not going to mention names because: A) they will deny, and B) rules.

So, it leaves us with more than a few reasons to love the ignore feature.

On another note: Many others have been asking why MB let people do things that in retrospect seem like maybe not such a great idea… My take is, that MB is in general a pretty nice guy. He may have his good days and his bad days, but for the most part, he’s a good guy and looks at others as good people too. So far in his life, he hasn’t had any reason to think differently. The people at the level he deals with all, so far, have understood contracts, and keeping one’s word, so when LK says, “We will do/pay X” he says okay, and assumes that they are good for “X”.

The fact that LK lied, and continues to lie, is not a reflection on MB. This is ALL ON HER.

[eggbutt]

Just gonna drop this here for a particular poster who has been dropping in frequently.

Romans 14:12: So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

I believe this verse sums up accountability.

[SillyHorse]

@eggbutt

Just gonna drop this here for a particular poster who has been dropping in frequently.

Romans 14:12: So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

I believe this verse sums up accountability.

Not good enough. We should have to account for ourselves and how we treat other human beings while we are alive.

[ASB_Stars]

@eggbutt

Just gonna drop this here for a particular poster who has been dropping in frequently.

Romans 14:12: So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

I believe this verse sums up accountability.

I am a big believer in Karma. Big. Now, I do like being there to see what goes around come around, but that doesn’t often happen.

After having LK PM me personally, attempting to be menacing, I am here to tell you that “she ain’t raht”, as they say down south. Not only not right, but she, IMHO, is deeply troubled as well as being somehow able to fixate and focus on individuals, and make their lives a total hell, apparently. Her own testimony in this case verifies this.

Moreover, she revels in the idea that she can do this. I have no way of knowing how successful she has been in her missions in the past, but this was just a heinous example of someone with means being able to plan and carry out a vulnerable individuals near destruction. Think about that. Having the time on your hands, and your druggie flunky to aid and abet this? Unreal.

As I’ve said before, I believe that the civil suit is toast. I hope that it goes forward just long enough for a jury to laugh her right out of court, after she spends some more of Daddy’s money to assuage an ever so damaged ego and psyche.

But that’s just me.

[Sparrowette]

@BrownDerby

@DownYonder

Or perhaps she wanted to buy it but Daddy-O wasn’t going to give her the funds. So she and MB had a discussion that she could “make payments” but the horse stayed in his barn. Perhaps he was skeptical that she would actually pay for the horse and he wanted to use it for lessons for other students to help recoup some of the expenses for its upkeep (not an uncommon scenario).

And perhaps she decided that since she basically had no way of paying for it, that RG could “work it off.” Perhaps she even suggested that to MB. And perhaps she led RG to believe that MB was going to pay him for renovation work. Perhaps she led JK to believe she had a suitable arrangement with MB regarding accommodations, plus care/training, etc. for her horses. I can totally see how she might have not only misconstrued a conversation with MB about arrangements, but also totally see that she may have either consciously or subconsciously misled RG and/or JK about the situation. (I am not sure she is above lying to even her own people if it suited her purposes.)

And yes, I am speculating and we may never know the full details of that strange arrangement unless it comes out in the civil trial.

As usual this whole (possible) situation is so crazy. She bought two horses through agent Rosanna Williams (who self-identified as LK’s friend in the original COTH report). The agent was based in far west USA and sold via FB, Ultimate Equine. The horses had shown in Europe and were $35-45K, shipping included, so probably not high caliber horses. One was in NY at the time of the shooting, according to LK. So someone was paying for these transactions. Why would LK be yammering for money and yet go on shopping sprees?

RW has closed her FB and now sells via an App. It is interesting is that she identified as a friend but was not called as a witness, so it is doubtful they ever met.

So how does this mesh with 48 hours beating bushes for people who ACTUALLY KNEW LK who had anything nice to say about her? As I understand that bit, they couldn’t find anyone. Was RW just hiking the Adirondacks?

[Sdel]

@Sparrowette

So how does this mesh with 48 hours beating bushes for people who ACTUALLY KNEW LK who had anything nice to say about her? As I understand that bit, they couldn’t find anyone. Was RW just hiking the Adirondacks?

Please be nice. She has been here posting, and has not once said anything against anyone else for their posts. She has maintained some level of public neutrality and it seemed she was was being lied to based on LK’s testimony.

[FitzE]

Interesting how many posters have mentioned threatening LK posts. I feel like a see a new one or more every day. Maybe there should be a thread just to start a support group! But, maybe there would be so many members it would crash the site again.

Big shout out to @Knights_Mom for being the first to really out - and post - the threats to her. Given what she was dealing with in LK, it was brave and allowed loads of us to see that we were not alone. Some people who were chased off by those PMs even came back after that. She used her legal expertise for good to counter other people using it for evil. Brava, Knights_Mom!!

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

@Sparrowette

So how does this mesh with 48 hours beating bushes for people who ACTUALLY KNEW LK who had anything nice to say about her? As I understand that bit, they couldn’t find anyone. Was RW just hiking the Adirondacks?

Please be nice. She has been here posting, and has not once said anything against anyone else for their posts. She has maintained some level of public neutrality and it seemed she was was being lied to based on LK’s testimony.

I agree with Sdel. This poster does not need to be brought into this. They did nothing to be dragged back in.

[FitzE]

Plus, I think she was an example of someone who is a kind person who had the impulse to reach out and care about LK during the time right before the shooting. She is also someone who might have said positive things about LK, however, it was subsequently shown to her that LK was lying to her/using her/just stirring up drama that got other people worried.

So she, herself, is just one more victim of LK’s MO. She is certainly the living proof of no good deed going unpunished.

[Sparrowette]

@trubandloki

@Sdel

@Sparrowette

So how does this mesh with 48 hours beating bushes for people who ACTUALLY KNEW LK who had anything nice to say about her? As I understand that bit, they couldn’t find anyone. Was RW just hiking the Adirondacks?

Please be nice. She has been here posting, and has not once said anything against anyone else for their posts. She has maintained some level of public neutrality and it seemed she was was being lied to based on LK’s testimony.

I agree with Sdel. This poster does not need to be brought into this. They did nothing to be dragged back in.

I thought I was. It really was just a question, primarily to the board. Does this person know LK and if so, why didn’t they go to 48 hours and say, “Yeah, LK’s a great gal!”.

Anyone who doesn’t want to be “drug into” anything, all they have to do is ignore the post. I won’t mind a bit.

Peace.

[ekat]

So, due to reasons, I have way too much time on my hands lately.

Going back through some of the old threads is certainly interesting. Current top of my “post that didn’t age well” list:

LaLaPop:

“One last thing- whatever you believe I may “sound like,” on my fb page- is, I guarantee- not going to be an adequate reason to be murdered. Good luck arguing that one.”

Post 240 in the thread called That’s a Twist.

[Knights_Mom]

@ASB_Stars

@eggbutt

Just gonna drop this here for a particular poster who has been dropping in frequently.

Romans 14:12: So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

I believe this verse sums up accountability.

I am a big believer in Karma. Big. Now, I do like being there to see what goes around come around, but that doesn’t often happen.

After having LK PM me personally, attempting to be menacing, I am here to tell you that “she ain’t raht”, as they say down south. Not only not right, but she, IMHO, is deeply troubled as well as being somehow able to fixate and focus on individuals, and make their lives a total hell, apparently. Her own testimony in this case verifies this.

Moreover, she revels in the idea that she can do this. I have no way of knowing how successful she has been in her missions in the past, but this was just a heinous example of someone with means being able to plan and carry out a vulnerable individuals near destruction. Think about that. Having the time on your hands, and your druggie flunky to aid and abet this? Unreal.

As I’ve said before, I believe that the civil suit is toast. I hope that it goes forward just long enough for a jury to laugh her right out of court, after she spends some more of Daddy’s money to assuage an ever so damaged ego and psyche.

But that’s just me.

I’m betting it’s learned behavior.

It’s sure that karma comes around. It is also sure that the crapple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

I said to LK a long time ago I’d gladly put my “record” up against hers any day of the week. After seeing all this stuff with other persons that revolve around her I’m good with adding them to the mix too.

My dad would have caste me into an institution to learned how to properly function in society.

Someone asked where LK gets the time to do this stuff. SHE HAS NO JOB.

Idle hands are the devil’s workshop.

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

Interesting how many posters have mentioned threatening LK posts. I feel like a see a new one or more every day. Maybe there should be a thread just to start a support group! But, maybe there would be so many members it would crash the site again.

Big shout out to @Knights_Mom for being the first to really out - and post - the threats to her. Given what she was dealing with in LK, it was brave and allowed loads of us to see that we were not alone. Some people who were chased off by those PMs even came back after that. She used her legal expertise for good to counter other people using it for evil. Brava, Knights_Mom!!

Thank you @FitzE!

I’m glad that my job came in useful here.

And now I’m really glad we have a number of posting attorneys because it’s important truth comes out as it applies to law as I’m no litigator.

[SillyHorse]

@Knights_Mom

And now I’m really glad we have a number of posting attorneys because it’s important truth comes out as it applies to law as I’m no litigator.

But I’ll wager you leave beautiful lines when you vacuum.