Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MorganSercu]

All those little blue pencils, chewed down to a stub and you know she wouldn’t listen.

Hello vanity press (self-publish)!

[Sparrowette]

@Einhorn

@eggbutt

already sat confined without treatment for over 32 months, c

While I totally agree that he needs treatment, he chose to languish there, likely knowing he’d be without treatment until the trial.
So yes, people shouldn’t languish in jail, he did pick that option so I’m not going to blame this on NJ.

But the true question is: Why did he make that choice? If he felt safer in jail than he would have been “out there” where they were, then that would be a somewhat rational choice considering the circumstances.

[Einhorn]

He declined being released when offered.

[eggbutt]

@Sparrowette

@Einhorn

@eggbutt

already sat confined without treatment for over 32 months, c

While I totally agree that he needs treatment, he chose to languish there, likely knowing he’d be without treatment until the trial.
So yes, people shouldn’t languish in jail, he did pick that option so I’m not going to blame this on NJ.

But the true question is: Why did he make that choice? If he felt safer in jail than he would have been “out there” where they were, then that would be a somewhat rational choice considering the circumstances.

It never came down to “his making a choice to stay” because the trial took place and he was acquitted! We have never been told why he would have wanted to stay if the quick trial release date came and went.

[Einhorn]

I’m not saying it wasn’t the right decision, but it’s disingenuous to now moan about how long he’s gone without mental health treatment when he could have been out and working on that privately.

[eggbutt]

@Einhorn

He declined being released when offered.

It was never offered. Please be factual.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I do think they will be stuck working through Ann Klein for the defined 30 day evaluation period.

I wonder if they have to do the whole 30 days starting from the day he arrives? I’m guessing they probably do.

It seems a bit unfair if they don’t have a bed for say, two weeks, and the remaining two weeks gives them enough time to do the evaluation anyway.

[ekat]

That 30 days is from date of verdict. My understanding from what I read in NJ case law last week, is that hearing has to happen, if for no other reason to determine if the patient is cooperating and to lay down a schedule for future hearings.

[Einhorn]

? Did he not decline release when it was offered pre trial? The judge noted it was an unusual request. Did that not happen?
This is the release I was discussing. Of course he hasn’t been offered release in the last week. He’s being transferred to a mh facility.

[ekat]

My understanding was if the trial had been delayed, a mandatory release date would kick in and MB was choosing to decline that future release date. But the trial went forward and here we are.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I believe it is never about money for her. It is totally about destruction and control.

Well, realistically, why would anyone be worried about money if it always magically appears from “the bank, I guess” whenever it’s needed.

[eggbutt]

@Einhorn

? Did he not decline release when it was offered pre trial? The judge noted it was an unusual request. Did that not happen?
This is the release I was discussing. Of course he hasn’t been offered release in the last week. He’s being transferred to a mh facility.

The “release” was never offered. Taylor was speaking of the urgency of the trial moving foward before the quick trial date expired. Bilinkas commented if that date came, Barisone wanted to remain in jail. Taylor said he’d never heard of such a request and didn’t know if he could comply but would discuss that when the time came if necessary,

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I’m told the Kanarek’s civil attorney is on the way over to the Kanarek household with a bottle of DOM.

Actually, in hindsight, maybe that explains the remarks the civil attorney made on camera if it was after the bottle of DOM.

[Einhorn]

@eggbutt

The “release” was never offered. Taylor was speaking of the urgency of the trial moving foward before the quick trial date expired. Bilinkas commented if that date came, Barisone wanted to remain in jail. Taylor said he’d never heard of such a request and didn’t know if he could comply but would discuss that when the time came if necessary,

I stand corrected, but this shows he still would have chosen jail over outpatient treatment on his own, for whatever reason.

Again, yes the system is not good, so go vote.

[eggbutt]

@Einhorn

@eggbutt

The “release” was never offered. Taylor was speaking of the urgency of the trial moving foward before the quick trial date expired. Bilinkas commented if that date came, Barisone wanted to remain in jail. Taylor said he’d never heard of such a request and didn’t know if he could comply but would discuss that when the time came if necessary,

I stand corrected, but this shows he still would have chosen jail over outpatient treatment on his own, for whatever reason.

Again, yes the system is not good, so go vote.

Want to know the reason he would have declined? His concern was if he was released, his trial date would be pushed further and further out. He wanted the trial to proceed as quickly as possible. Thankfully, he rejected the plea deal and the trial was held.

[Jealoushe]

You’re speaking for MB?

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

You’re speaking for MB?

Um, apparently I was told what his reasoning was. Are you really prepared to argue with me?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Einhorn

They will probably have the hearing, the treating physician can do an interim report, or his advocates/attorney can request a continuance if they want to. But having the hearing on the 17th gives them some baseline info to build on toward release.
And just for the record, most facilities are keen to release people when possible, so I don’t anyone there will be trying to “keep” mb longer than necessary.

Edited to add: I didn’t mean to reply directly to you, @Virginia_Horse_Mom

I’m glad you replied directly to me, because you spoke directly to the issues I was trying to point out

[BrownDerby]

@seriously1

I agree. Frankly, I wonder if she could make more money writing a book then suing. She could tell her “truth” lol.

Just like Nick Peronace. What an eye openier bombshell he typed. They could collaborate, maybe use his psych expert to write the forward.

[MHM]

@ekat

But they would still be subject to jail rules which includes possibly being recorded,

Would that matter now?

I mean, I would imagine they can use those recordings in court, but his criminal case is over at this point.

Just as a matter of curiosity.