Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Mersidoats]

@Angela_Freda

She did H/J before Dressage, correct?
And that came about, when?
She didn’t have a string of Hunters?

Nope. Just some OTTBs.

[StB.YM]

If I recall correctly, RG also said during his testimony that they couldn’t afford to pay for board and training of all four horses, hence the working agreement. So that also goes against the “unlimited means.”

[ohnoO]

I wonder if she periodically sits around at night watching the video of her testimony and thinks she was “smart and clever”?

[ekat]

He also specifically said that they couldn’t afford rent in NJ and wouldn’t have gone if they’d had to pay for a place to live.

[LexInVA]

According to someone who claimed to have met them in FL, RG told them that JK wasn’t willing to pay for anything in NJ beyond the horses, so they had to work out the agreement to get the living space for themselves and later, more horses.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

Dunno….but I seem to recall IM saying that JK wasn’t paying the legal fees for that….so I assume that he has no power to actually stop the suit, even without MB having filed a counter suit. I guess the bills were being taken care of on a contingency basis. I wonder how much that will affect things going forward. I bet that there is yet another lawyer who is going to find out the hard way what kind of mess they just walked into….

Interesting.

I did find IMs comments about SGF theoretically agreeing that they owe RG something, and how SGFs insurance will pay out because they were negligent with respect to guns on the premises…

Well… that actually sounded to me like, “Hush up everyone. We just want this all to be settled and walk away with some cash in hand.”

What will they do if MB says “NOPE.” And it all goes to court?

It seems like there is some anxiety and posturing happening now on La-las Instagram.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@LexInVA

According to someone who claimed to have met them in FL, RG told them that JK wasn’t willing to pay for anything in NJ beyond the horses, so they had to work out the agreement to get the living space for themselves and later, more horses.

I think this is what I am remembering.

So… the easy translation is that as of 2019, in the months before the shooting, JK capped the monthly cash outflow that he was willing to contribute to the Dressage diva lifestyle at $5000 .

[jvanrens]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

She didn’t even get a college degree. I think one of the sisters went to NYU law school.

I’ll give her a pass on that. I didn’t get a degree of any sort (though I did pass a real estate agent series of courses if that counts, but didn’t follow through), one of my brothers, has two degrees and a masters. I hated school and didn’t know what I wanted to be when I grew up, still don’t.

[LilRanger]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

What will they do if MB says “NOPE.” And it all goes to court?

Lose again, most likely, and possibly have a judgement to pay! D’oh!

[Sdel]

I wonder if the plan for suing RC was to try to take her half of MHG’s horse? Remember all the horse stealing comments as part of the motive? Projection?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@jvanrens

I’ll give her a pass on that. I didn’t get a degree of any sort (though I did pass a real estate agent series of courses if that counts, but didn’t follow through), one of my brothers, has two degrees and a masters. I hated school and didn’t know what I wanted to be when I grew up, still don’t.

Oh - I definitely don’t judge skipping a degree. There are many ways to have great, productive, professional careers without one. I just think in this particular family, there was an expectation of getting a degree or doing something productive. The others all appear to be a driven, professional bunch. LK? She didn’t even finish her program of study at Hollis. And has had next to no identifiable professional experience since then.

[ohnoO]

Well, I’d guess that she was a better stripper than I would have been at that age—of course, I couldn’t afford implants and would have just spent the $$ on horses, anyway.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@LilRanger

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

What will they do if MB says “NOPE.” And it all goes to court?

Lose again, most likely, and possibly have a judgement to pay! D’oh!

I also wonder if the choice to buy a home in Florida for LK might have been a strategic one on JKs part. Above and beyond just something LK wanted, in terms of burrowing into the horse scene there. If she does come out on the losing end of the civil suit she launched, and has to pay off some of MBs attorney fees… she can declare bankruptcy, but keep the equity in that home.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@roseymare

@DownYonder

the money could be in a trust established by grandparents for LK, with JK named as the fiduciary. And continued in that role for some reason even though LK is of legal age.

I’m being really really stereotypical here but…around here when it happens it is always the third generation that bankrupts the companies and runs out the trust funds. Grandparents build solid company. Second generation keeps it afloat and third generation runs it aground.

You’re correct.

But here’s the odd thing. There is no evidence of a family company. Kirby has a linked in account. Looks like she has worked most her adult life, but had a few career changes along the way. She did work for CIT group at some point - which makes sense, as I believe they are headquartered in that area. She also got a series 7 license at some point. Which also makes sense. It seems that Livingston Twnshp. is a bedroom community to NYC, and the financial district is a major employer. She also was an assistant principal of an elementary school for a while, and operated her own children’s dance studio.

As for JK, he graduated w/ a law degree in the late 70’s, from Hofstra, and was licensed to practice in NY. I’m not sure about anywhere else. He has public photos up on sm, and mentioned he worked for EF Hutton in the 80’s. EF Hutton not only went through legal scandals, but financial ones in the 80’s. Following the ‘87 stock market crash, they merged with Shearson Lehman/American Express. But there was an exodus of brokers following the merger, many leaving to join competitors. In the early 90’s, American Express dropped out, and the merged firm became Lehman Brothers.

So who knows what JK did after working for EF Hutton in the 80’s. There is no public info. But… it does not seem there was some sort of family business or inherited wealth. It seems he was someone who was a white collar professional, with a law degree, working in the financial district of NYC.

Then there is the family home purchased in ‘93. It’s in a nice bedroom community of NYC, with many upper middle class residents. It’s an hour long commute by public transit into NYC. Sooooo… it’s a reasonable guess that JKs career was tied to the financial district.

There is no public information out there that shows JK climbed to the top of the Wall Street food chain. And, they still own and live in the same single family home they purchased in 1993. It also seems, from what little information I have seen, that the children attended public schools.

By all appearances, they are thoroughly professional, upper middle class family, who values education, and has pursued white collar careers in the greater NYC area.

Also… consider that there are 3 daughters in this family. Not one. And if there was a trust established by a very rich relative from a generation prior to JK and Kirby… there likely would have been three of those trusts - one for each daughter.

So what about LKs two sisters? What are they doing with all their income from the theoretical trust funds? Which seems to be over $100,000 per year, given LKs lifestyle? Well… it’s not hard to look both of them up via a quick Google search. Both seem to be very well educated women, who followed through on college, and have worked hard in the greater NYC area, and have gotten good careers going for themselves. Good for them! But neither seem to be living the life of a trust fund child. Both are pursuing full time careers.

Anyway… just thought I’d spell it all out. The only indication of any sort of trust fund with this family seems to come from LK herself. And the significant amounts of money involved in supporting her horse habit, which must come from SOMEWHERE… even though she and RG have no identifiable source of income.

At this point, I think the other possibility… that the source of money is from litigation or legal settlements at some prior time? That has to be considered. And… I wonder if the litigation was specific to LK. It doesn’t seem like anyone else in that family experienced a significant windfall recently. Their profiles are consistent. But LK? At one point, over a decade ago, she was allegedly working as a dancer somewhere in NC. But now? Now she has 6 figures a year of disposable income, for multiple years in a row, to spend on a Dressage hobby.

It’s all a bit strange.

She testified she had been in a car accident. That settlement could be part of it. Invested well and left alone for a number of years it could have some value now.

Never mind cancel the above LOL after reading subsequent posts.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

She testified she had been in a car accident. That settlement could be part of it. Invested well and left alone for a number of years it could have some value now.

LexinVa commented a little further back that it was a single vehicle accident - she hit a tree, while driving distracted.

[Angela_Freda]

Maybe she was the passenger?

[DownYonder]

@ohnoO

I wonder if she periodically sits around at night watching the video of her testimony and thinks she was “smart and clever”?

I re-watched that video yesterday. From the looks on the faces of the prosecutors during the cross-exam, I don’t think they thought she was “smart and clever.” The assistant prosecutor was stone-faced, as though he couldn’t believe what he was hearing. Shellhorn (sp?) could barely conceal his dismay at times as he watched his star witness making a fool of herself on the stand. And apparently the jury felt the same way.

[LilRanger]

Not if she’s an owner, depending on the laws of FLA. JK as owner may impact that, or may not. I don’t know NJ or FLA laws at all.

[ohnoO]

I may have to rewatch it……hmmmmm, maybe not!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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