Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[eggbutt]

Notice please, the Team Captain is ignoring the three and not responding to their fantasies, deny, deflect, destroy!

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The prosecution established the elements of its case without the audio recordings of an alleged murder plot. If they had been introduced, would that have affected the jury’s finding of insanity? To me it would have furthered the evidence of insanity and delusions.

We don’t have information about the evidentiary hearings that took place in camera before the trial commenced.

If you somehow do, I’m sure the attorneys here would find great value in those arguments.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

Are you alleging now that LK was trying to save MB?

That is so wild as to defy comprehension.

No I’m saying I think she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, in the impact area, attracting attention, when he finally lost it.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

There are a lot scarier clients than LK and RG.

Really?

I’ve been around horse businesses all my life. I have never once been around a client that made me think I needed to lock my car at all times to make sure they did not plant any drugs in it. Never. Not once.

[lazaret]

@Sdel

Personally, if I was a prosecutor and I had a legally made recording of a murder plot….I’m running with that in order to establish my motive.

If that was available, it would absolutely have furthered the case that the event could not have been the result of a mental break on the part of the accused. Which the prosecution knew they had to do, as the affirmative defense was declared.

Ergo, I have a strong belief that it doesn’t exist or if it somehow did, it was not admissible.

[MHM]

@lazaret

I still haven’t seen an answer as to why people keep bringing up this divorce involving a person in a new relationship who was, by all accounts, happy - as if this divorce was this huge deal that caused some sort of event that literally nobody (except these two posters) has ever referred to.

Right?

If that was the likely end result every time anyone got a divorce? I can think of plenty of people in the horse business who would have been involved in three or four shootings by this time.

[Scribbler]

I put 3 people on ignore and suddenly there’s a coherent thread again. I can always dip into hidden replies if I want. But what I tend to find is wrangling about how something was said 150 posts back or trying to “score points” by focusing on details of wording.

It’s pointless and confusing and tiring to read. But it is also symptomatic of where many arguments go when the actual logic has been exhausted. It’s also very typical of SM arguments. At a certain point you wonder if the folks really believe their point of view anymore, or are just invested in not being defeated in whatever position they staked out.

If it was an in person debate, one party or the other would eventually walk away, get distracted, or throw a punch. But online people can keep wrangling at the same general intensity level for days or weeks.

In general if you find you are not being your best self in an online debate, if the debate is making you feel ugly or small, you should walk away. That’s a very good self insight, and one you should follow up on.

Also if I can put someone on ignore and it has no effect on the flow of the discussion except to the extent other individuals counter them explicitly, then it kind of shows they aren’t really part of a debate. If they were making substantive points the flow of the thread would be missing key chunks of logic. But if people are just nitpicking and rehashing old points, they can be skipped.

It’s an interesting experiment.

[hut-ho78]

Sidebar. I can’t figure out how to post it but there is a FB post by the ChristianCurmudgeon that says “Remember, you are made in the image of God. And so is the other jerk you are arguing with.”

Made me smile.

[Sdel]

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

The prosecution established the elements of its case without the audio recordings of an alleged murder plot. If they had been introduced, would that have affected the jury’s finding of insanity? To me it would have furthered the evidence of insanity and delusions.

We don’t have information about the evidentiary hearings that took place in camera before the trial commenced.

If you somehow do, I’m sure the attorneys here would find great value in those arguments.

For someone who doesn’t think LK lies but rather grossly exaggerates….they seem to be discounting a whole lot of what LK and her known associate has to say about them.

Would any real lawyers care to provide some suggestions on how legal recordings of a murder plot could be ruled as inadmissible considering six of the prosecution’s witnesses were connected to the recordings, in addition to the former defendant who didn’t testify?

[MHM]

@KurPlexed

I’m not familiar with frozen so I’m trying not to use that reference.

You’re… you’re not familiar with Frozen? How did you get to be so lucky?

I’m amazed there are actually at least two people in this conversation who are not familiar with Frozen.

If you’ve lasted this long without it, by all means, try to avoid getting that earworm stuck in your head. Lol.

[KurPlexed]

Thank you. You said it much better then I ever could.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@KurPlexed

You have to love team LK. All 3 of them.

I don’t post here often but thought this may be helpful (and I’m also sure I’ll prob catch flack for, but whatever)

It IS possible to allow others to have their opinions. You don’t have to try to change their point of view. They obviously march to the beat of a different drum and I’m betting if everyone just stopped trying to be “right” the forum would easily get back on track of discussing the case.

Look at the reaction from the general population re this case (NON MB fan girls) it is almost 100% in favor of MB. What more proof do you need that you are on the correct side of this? Do you really need the 3 posters here to finally agree that you’re right? (Bc that’s never going to happen )

I’m not familiar with frozen so I’m trying not to use that reference.

Calling @smoofox . Is she allowed to refer to me as part of “Team LK”? Can you give your speech here?

Soooo… apparently you did not actually read that “speech” you are being snide about… or you would know that I said I did not like that kind of sh-stuff being said no matter who said it or what “side” they are on… but by all means continue with your righteous indignation…

@hut-ho78

Still waiting on the list of people y’all say she ruined.

If she has ruined even ONE life (aside from messing up her own and even that is sad) - it is one life too many. I am astounded by the excuses that are being made for someone whose stated goal was Finish The Bastard.

Plus we have her own commentary about how she is to be feared and once you are her target, she is relentless… or words to that effect. I do not have that screenshot on hand but it has appeared a few times in this thread. Yeah she “embelllishes”/lies - but it seems like such things are a game to her…

The TBFH we had here who ruined one life (contributing to its early end due to the stress), messed up many others and delighted in doing so… could have used you for a cheerleader and excuse generator. I guess that most of what happened here was simply delusions on our part and not her fault in any way whatsoever. Got it.

[MHM]

That’s an excellent plan if you can stick to it.

It is a challenge when someone categorically states that black is white. It’s hard to then resist the urge to point out that black is, in fact, black.

[MHM]

@smoofox

If she has ruined even ONE life (aside from messing up her own and even that is sad) - it is one life too many.

It is quite amazing to me that that point even needs to be stated. But apparently it does.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have resolved the cognitive dissonance by assuming for now, until there is actual evidence , that the allegations in #1 are just that - allegations of a defense lawyer doing his job to get his client acquitted, and quite possibly not true.

Uh…the multiple emails/texts between LK/JK/RG that were read off by the defense came from somewhere……oh, right, from the discovery on LK’s devices. Those weren’t just made up by the defense attorney. Also, the testimony about how RG couldn’t give MB a bill because it would screw up LK/JK’s plan?

I say we’ve already gotten a sneak peak at the evidence. What we didn’t see, was evidence of a murder plot….despite it being caught on “legally” made recordings.

Or was RC told to bring her gun? Any way a conspiracist wants to look at this, there could be one. I don’t think so. I think the wrong fragile people were put in the same location and it was a disaster for everyone.

I need some air freshener as it smells of desperation up in here

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have resolved the cognitive dissonance by assuming for now, until there is actual evidence , that the allegations in #1 are just that - allegations of a defense lawyer doing his job to get his client acquitted, and quite possibly not true.

Uh…the multiple emails/texts between LK/JK/RG that were read off by the defense came from somewhere……oh, right, from the discovery on LK’s devices. Those weren’t just made up by the defense attorney. Also, the testimony about how RG couldn’t give MB a bill because it would screw up LK/JK’s plan?

I say we’ve already gotten a sneak peak at the evidence. What we didn’t see, was evidence of a murder plot….despite it being caught on “legally” made recordings.

Good grief. Of course there were multiple texts between LK, her boyfriend and her father.

Apparently neither side wanted to attempt to introduce the audio recordings. No one has been charged with illegal recording - not LK, or RG, or JK.

The defense was not permitted to. They tried.

I hear that Ginkgo Biloba is good for memory. How many tons shall i order for you?

It’s a gift. From ME to YOU.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Not much to say there. She said a lot of stupid trash talk she shouldn’t have and I don’t think could follow up on.

Oh? Trash Talk? You’re just going to dismiss it, eh? This from the poster that runs to mommy.

I considered her threats to me actual threats. They were INTENDED to bully, coerce, harass and intimidate.

Again that was her INTENT. The fact that she’s ignorant of law and I’m not doesn’t matter to me. If she could have sued me for my farm she would have. This is not even remotely disputable as evidenced by her little $200,000 extortion scheme brewing prior to the shooting.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

Apparently neither side wanted to attempt to introduce the audio recordings.

It doesn’t matter if they did, they would not be admissible as one party to the conversation was not aware of the recording at the time the recording was made. That applies to both sides and does not mean nobody “wanted” to.

In fact LK seemed quite eager for them to be heard.

Admissible and illegal are two different concepts.

I don’t think they were proven to be illegally made as no one was charged with a crime. Perhaps they were made illegally, but their illegality has not been established by someone being convicted, or even charged, with a crime.

Were the tapes admissible? If neither side attempted to get them admitted, we’ll never know whether they were admissible or not.

The prosecution established the elements of its case without the audio recordings of an alleged murder plot. If they had been introduced, would that have affected the jury’s finding of insanity? To me it would have furthered the evidence of insanity and delusions.

Sure would have been awkward for the Prosecutor’s case to charge his star witnesses with the crime she/he were most certainly triable for.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The prosecution established the elements of its case without the audio recordings of an alleged murder plot. If they had been introduced, would that have affected the jury’s finding of insanity? To me it would have furthered the evidence of insanity and delusions.

They did not establish the elements.

Mens rea was not established. No crime without it.

[lazaret]

And if she HAD been charged with that crime, that charge as a public record would have been fair game for questioning.