Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[BrownDerby]

@Sdel

Considering her abdominal incisions…this could actually be true.

Not if she’s taking lessons with Ulf Moeller.

[MorganSercu]

@trubandloki

Why would they find the fire marshal anymore in trouble than the police or the DA who said that Bob could go anywhere at anytime?

Because that individual isn’t well paid/most recent hire?

[BrownDerby]

@eggbutt

What an amazingly telling comment… sort of like a ditch digger, or cotton picker, or any migrant farm worker, or hell, ANY service profession. Wow! You truly are a piece of work.

Well, they don’t understand English, you know.

[iridedressage]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would not talk about a career as a house cleaner, even though paid.

Strange, I have a friend whose job is a house cleaner. It is her career. She has lots of very long term clients because she is do dependable and good at her job.
Why would one not call that a career and talk about it?

Not a made up dig job either. Her real job.

The definition of “career” includes a trajectory or arc of achievement over time. It does not necessarily require that the activity be paid.

I think that all legal work has dignity and deserves respect, including mucking stalls, waiting tables and cleaning houses. In high school I worked at two of these jobs for the earnings, however modest. Neither had the progressive arc of achievement that goes with the idea a career.

I suppose that some would call any continuous employment for most of their working life in a given field as a career, but given the concept of a progression of achievement as part of the definition of career, I see a distinction between a “long term job” and a “career”. I don’t see the paid aspect of the endeavor being a necessary attribute of a “career.”

What about a teacher? What if that teacher has taught 5th grade for 30 years? Career or long term job?

[Sdel]

@Graymaresrule

She wouldn’t need a log in to read posts here, just CE and the menagerie.

She apparently has a need to comment on what she reads. She has to threaten people or explain why others are too stupid to see the reality of a situation so she can feel superior. She needs a login to do those things.

[EADoug]

@BrownDerby

Well, they don’t understand English, you know.

I lived in NC for 5 years and fully understand this statement.

I now live in Quebec where ENGLISH is the frowned upon language. And you know what? I now speak English, French, and a few remaining words of Spanish from my time in NC.

Life is so much richer with more languages. I wish more people valued this.

[MorganSercu]

@lazaret

As long as there was a lot of coffee at hand.

You deserve the best. A solid silver samovar.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The definition of “career” includes a trajectory or arc of achievement over time. It does not necessarily require that the activity be paid.

Wait! What about career criminals? A term used by even the court system.

Is it escalation of crimes from say, for example, underage drinking to drug charges to burglary and/or assault that shows the trajectory or arc of achievement?

[eggbutt]

Amen!

[Knights_Mom]

So neither my law job nor my vacuuming is a career?

Damn!!

[eggbutt]

Perfect! Finally something she has become “better” at!

[lazaret]

Guess you’ll need a do-over, third time’s the charm right??

[ekat]

Always important to have goals. And apparently a trajectory.

[Graymaresrule]

I’ve had 4 abdominal surgeries, belly button to pubic bone. Six months after the last I rode 100 miles in 6 days in Ireland.

My lung issues however may have grounded me permanently, though not without A fight.

[MorganSercu]

Yeah, but can you do this?

[eggbutt]

Barisone update: two weeks and he is still confined in jail. A citizen with a not guilty verdict still sitting in a jail rather than alternative solutions provided by the state. Really does appear to be punitive at this point.

[Sdel]

@Graymaresrule

I’ve had 4 abdominal surgeries, belly button to pubic bone. Six months after the last I rode 100 miles in 6 days in Ireland.

Well then I guess I got the crap end of the stick. I’ve had one c-section and have been riding through my pain for years…. Sometimes it’s enough to make me black out…

[EADoug]

@Sdel

Well then I guess I got the crap end of the stick. I’ve had one c-section and have been riding through my pain for years…. Sometimes it’s enough to make me black out…

Oh that’s horrendous. I’m so sorry you are dealing with that.

[ekat]

Any chance Mr B and team can get this back into court? Is there any discussion of doing so? NJ’s law is pretty clear on this, and it just doesn’t seem the availability of beds at one facility should be the fallback position.

(Not a lawyer, not in NJ, not sure if I have a career or a job right now, just my two cents and my questions)

Thanks.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@McGurk

Re: IIED and her “career”

and first the disclaimer: IANAL

My limited understanding of this branch of law is that you have to show ACTUAL damages.

So if someone left Barisone’s barn and training program because of the atmosphere at the barn, and they’re willing to be deposed or testify to that, Barisone can recover those actual cash losses.

If someone wanted to come and join the Barisone program, he had empty stalls, and they wouldn’t come while Karanek and Co. were there, again, if they’re willing to be deposed or testify to that, there are actual cash damages.

The problem with LK’s suit is that there aren’t any actual cash losses. IF she were a more likable plaintiff, she might be awarded her medical expenses and some pain and suffering. That would be legit.

I also believe your claim of injury/disability has to be VERY specific in order for you to collect damages. As in; because of the injuries I sustained by the actions of the defendant, I have decreased range of motion in my hips which means it is extremely painful/difficult for me to ride at the level I did previously. Also, you have to get doctors to agree to the severity of the injury and the subsequent limitations and be deposed/tesitfy. In other words, if you’re struggling at second level prior to injury, it’s really hard to claim the injury ruined your chances of getting to FEI, unless you get some really compelling expert witnesses to testify that you are the second incarnation of Charlotte Dujardin who was robbed of your chance because of the injury. And still, determining damages for not be able to pursue a hobby at the same level is a crap shoot. Especially with such an unsympathetic plaintiff.

Now, if the Barisone side wants to try to collect for the 2 1/2 years he was unable to ride, train, teach or compete, when that has been a life long occupation, well, let’s just say, the damages would be easier to determine. Like, look at his tax returns for the past 5 years, average them, and pay 2 1/2 times that amount.

Again, IANAL

ETA: It’s also very, very hard to collect for IIED without physical manifestations of that emotional distress. It’s not enough to say you were traumatized, you have to able to say the trauma left you with headaches and an inability to focus, for instance.

Re bolded. Only likeable gun shot victims can sue for medical bills and pain and suffering? Are you talking about the law or about the likely feelings of jurors?

I doubt MB can sue either LK or the state of NJ for his loss of earnings since August, 2019. Since we now know that he was delusional in August, 2019, and a danger to himself and others, it was a fault of SGF to have him employed as a trainer for as long as they did. That’s what the civil suit is about.