Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m using the word “suing” to include not just a stand alone lawsuit, but also these counterclaims and cross claims within the original lawsuit.

In doing so, you’re making up something that doesn’t exist. The cross-claims do not assert a loss caused by a breach of duty, nor do they allege resulting damages, which is what I just tried to outline for you.

Only the original claim by LK and the counterclaim by MB are actually suing each other. SGF and RC are not suing anyone.

Edit to clarify: LK is suing MB, RC, and SGF. MB is countersuing LK. SGF and RC are suing no one.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re: LK planning to sue MB for $200,000 “being discussed on the board”, I don’t believe everything I read here.

There was court testimony about it. Granted LK said she didn’t remember that amount. You can bet the details will come out in discovery for the civil suit.

LKs position was that MB owed her money and that was one reason she hadn’t moved. Given the apparent lack of written contracts, I have no doubt there was a financial dispute, and that it would be her style to want to litigate, or threaten to litigate.

[iridedressage]

@ohnoO

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

In some states you have to sign a new liability waiver annually. New Jersey may be one of them. Also if your insurer has a new variation of a form to be signed, or the state does.

Anyway, signing one is SOP and to think it is some sort of permission slip to kill you tells me that person refusing to sign isn’t someone who should be on the property.

So you think he had her sign a liability waiver when she first came in spring 2018 and/or in 2019, but wanted her to sign a new one just when he was asking her to leave?

No it was not for her to sign and it was a bit of time before August 7th. It was for the person she was planning to “employ” (for lack of a better word) to ride her multiple horses.
I would assume (yeah, I know) because she didn’t have the time or stamina to keep them in work and didn’t want JH or MHG or the working students to ride them.

Ya’know the “dressage rider life style” is not always compatible with doing the actual work because….they are not a bag of golf clubs!

It could have been a waiver stating that if she was going to have someone come there to ride her horses and her horses injured the rider, the liability would be on her not MB.

[ekat]

@Sdel

One of the original posts on the subject made a big deal about showing the police that the majority of this paperwork was posted on a sign at the barn door and her refusing to “sign” but verbally acknowledging the content on the barn sign.

I was going to ask how a sign on the barn could be a death warrant, but I’m not sure even LK knows the answer to that.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

There was court testimony about it. Granted LK said she didn’t remember that amount. You can bet the details will come out in discovery for the civil suit.

LKs position was that MB owed her money and that was one reason she hadn’t moved. Given the apparent lack of written contracts, I have no doubt there was a financial dispute, and that it would be her style to want to litigate, or threaten to litigate.
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Not a good enough legal defense btw for not leaving. Everyone knows you can sue for money later without staying to harass people.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LKs position was that MB owed her money and that was one reason she hadn’t moved. Given the apparent lack of written contracts, I have no doubt there was a financial dispute, and that it would be her style to want to litigate, or threaten to litigate.

Apparently, per her words under oath, it’s also her style to formulate a “plan to ruin” someone up to and including “finish the bastard.”

[Sdel]

@iridedressage

It could have been a waiver stating that if she was going to have someone come there to ride her horses and her horses injured the rider, the liability would be on her not MB.

Except that begs the question….how does that translate to a murder plot for her? Other than more SM lies, of course….

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m using the word “suing” to include not just a stand alone lawsuit, but also these counterclaims and cross claims within the original lawsuit.

In doing so, you’re making up something that doesn’t exist. The cross-claims do not assert a loss caused by a breach of duty, nor do they allege resulting damages, which is what I just tried to outline for you.

Only the original claim by LK and the counterclaim by MB are actually suing each other. SGF and RC are not suing anyone.

Ok. I accept your terminology.

SGF is saying any judgement assigned to it should fall on MB and/or RC, rather be paid by SGF itself.

[ohnoO]

I tend to think that maybe the new barn didn’t have living accommodations either.

Would JK have gone with that choice if not?

[ekat]

YES. Which brings me back to my original point. They don’t appear to be looking to settle with LK at all.

[ekat]

@ohnoO

Would JK have gone with that choice if not?

JK made the arrangements with Mr Tarshis. He was on board until LK said Nope. And then he called his buddy ED.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@iridedressage

@ohnoO

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

In some states you have to sign a new liability waiver annually. New Jersey may be one of them. Also if your insurer has a new variation of a form to be signed, or the state does.

Anyway, signing one is SOP and to think it is some sort of permission slip to kill you tells me that person refusing to sign isn’t someone who should be on the property.

So you think he had her sign a liability waiver when she first came in spring 2018 and/or in 2019, but wanted her to sign a new one just when he was asking her to leave?

No it was not for her to sign and it was a bit of time before August 7th. It was for the person she was planning to “employ” (for lack of a better word) to ride her multiple horses.
I would assume (yeah, I know) because she didn’t have the time or stamina to keep them in work and didn’t want JH or MHG or the working students to ride them.

Ya’know the “dressage rider life style” is not always compatible with doing the actual work because….they are not a bag of golf clubs!

It could have been a waiver stating that if she was going to have someone come there to ride her horses and her horses injured the rider, the liability would be on her not MB.

In that case, she was right not to sign it. If a rider agrees to ride your horse, they should waive liability for the owner, trainer, and facility.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

his is what I’m most curious about
A) what was in the document
B) why MB thought it was appropriate to call the police (and 911) because his clients declined to sign a document.

Re B, that was the most bizarre of the 911 calls, to me. So bizarre, in fact, that the idea that he was delusional makes sense to me. A person thinking rationally does not call 911 to get the police out because someone refuses to sign a document that you want them to sign.

but her question about her murder isn’t bizarre? mmm-kay

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t believe everything I read here.

We know…we know…you only believe IM. Got it.

[ohnoO]

@CurrentlyHorseless

In that case, she was right not to sign it. If a rider agrees to ride your horse, they should waive liability for the owner, trainer, and facility.

Exactly! So what was the big deal? Give it to your rider to sign!

No murder involved…

[Sdel]

@Sdel

For full disclosure….this screenshot was made on Feb 2, 2022 and is of an edit that was made some time during the night before that and subsequently reset by the moderation staff.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have no doubt there was a financial dispute,

shocker. not.

[BrendaJane]

things get muddled after a few benadryl

[trubandloki]

@ohnoO

@CurrentlyHorseless

In that case, she was right not to sign it. If a rider agrees to ride your horse, they should waive liability for the owner, trainer, and facility.

Exactly! So what was the big deal? Give it to your rider to sign!

No murder involved…

I would think that anywhere one boards, the person riding their horses has to sign a waiver. Clearly this is just another case of someone thinking they are special and rules do not apply to them.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LKs position was that MB owed her money and that was one reason she hadn’t moved. Given the apparent lack of written contracts, I have no doubt there was a financial dispute, and that it would be her style to want to litigate, or threaten to litigate.

MB owed her money? What a joke. She had two horses there on a discounted rate, which included board and training and possibly/probably farrier care. She was getting free rent and utilities for herself and her manservant. Then she bought a third horse from MB, and even if she did actually pay him the purchase price, she expected him to keep it for free and also throw in free training. Then she brought in a FOURTH horse - did she pay him anything for board/training for that one?

Talk about delusional…