Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Mersidoats]

@DownYonder

I’m not sure how they can do that. Aren’t the horses in JK’s name? And the plaintiff in the civil suit is LK alone?

Yeah, I’m not sure this has been proven…? Would be interesting to know.

[Wilbury_Pie]

I think others are better able to comment on these great questions. I had read here that her few assets (home in Florida and 1 or 2 horses) were jointly owned by her father, likely to avoid litigation. I’m not a lawyer, so I can’t comment on the validity of this assertion.

She also doesn’t have a drivers license or motor vehicle in her name. It was speculated that this is to avoid being served any summons (there are apparently outstanding summons for her). Very slippery person.

[lazaret]

There are USEF records listing LK as the owner of those that are registered with the USEF.

In the absence of a bill of sale, whomever paid the bills for the horses such as vet care, board, etc could make an ownership claim. If they were paid out of an account in her name, with bills of sale and import documents in her name, even if you list the horse as someone else’s on say registration papers you can have a court decide who owns that asset.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My point was that, in my use of the word “career”, the endeavor does not need to be a paid one. I think Charlotte Jorst has an amazing dressage career as an amateur. She has progressed to the highest level.

I dare say Ms. Jorst has worked hard at her dressage endeavors. She showed up for lessons, she didn’t scratch more than she rode at competitions, she spent her time when not in lessons doing her homework to make herself and her horses better (instead of spending her spare time trying to torment and terrorize other people via SM). I am pretty sure she also paid for her own living expenses and well as all the costs associated with the upkeep of her horses. In short, she isn’t a grifter or a leech, or a pathological liar, or someone who is only able to get somewhere in life by destroying other people.

[MHM]

@Mersidoats

Does part ownership truly protect the horse from legal confiscation?

Realistically, are LK’s horses worth that much?

I don’t know anything about them or their value. But it would be unfortunate to run up more in legal costs than the horses would even bring on the open market.

[Knights_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

@ekat

Yes, you’re right. I think they expected him to take a plea, therefore they did no prep. He turned down the plea in late Feb and three weeks later, jury selection began.

Wow, I wonder if they were able to delay making a decision on the plea to the last minute on purpose. I can see Bilinkis being savvy evnough to do just that - draw it out to the last miinute, maybe even make the Prosecution think they were going to take the plea, maybe even through a few negotiations in there, so they were so sure they were going to take the plea, they didn’t prep, then at the last possible minute, they said “Awe, naw, I guess we’ll go with the trial after all”.

Honestly, that may very well be why the prosecution was so ill prepared, including RG and LK. They may have thought there would be a plea all along, and never thought they needed to try to get their stories straight. Whatever they told Shellhorn (sorry, spelling?) in the beginning was good enough, because there wasn’t really any further prep or discussion. Then, come to find out, they had been spinning their stories into bizzarre-o land for two years, by the time it came to go to trial with their original stories, they must have forgotton whatever it was they said. Remember (I quote from Cormac McCarthy) “Trouble with a liar is, he can’t remember what he said”.

That’s why the witnesses on the stand were so out of control for whatever shellhorn was going to do. He must have been stunned. He probably assumed all along they were telling the truth, when they told him whatever they told him in the beginning, way back in 2019, and he assumed they rememembered the truth and what really happened maybe needing a refresher, and why wouldn’t he, people who tell the truth tell the same story even years later. He may have not at all prepared for having drug addicted liars for witnesses.

And there was Bilinkis, the whole time, sitting passively, twiddling his thumbs, just letting the prosecution hang its self. Because he was prepared. He had 19,000 pages of SM which revealed oh so much about those witnesses, and he, unlike shellhorn, had read each and every page, miserable as that must have been. So, 0h! By the way! we won’t be taking that plea. So Jury selection is what, next week? We’re ready. We been ready. twiddle twiddle twiddle

Like I said, Masterclass.

[gailbyrd]

@Scribbler

@Sdel

@ohnoO

No it was not for her to sign and it was a bit of time before August 7th. It was for the person she was planning to “employ” (for lack of a better word) to ride her multiple horses.
I would assume (yeah, I know) because she didn’t have the time or stamina to keep them in work and didn’t want JH or MHG or the working students to ride them.

This really doesn’t make any sense….how would liability paperwork for someone else to ride horses be the furtherance on a murder plot for her and RG? She made a big deal about that and the police’s reactions….

Yeah this was the paranoid spiral I vaguely remembered. This is taking a normal business operating procedure into the twilight zone.

What I’m unclear on. Was this a waiver for someone else to ride the horse or for LK

If for LK, why was it being presented at that point? I can believe that LK had been talking about faking an injury and bragging that she had never signed a waiver, and MB getting spooked. But I don’t see the utility in phoning 911 because she won’t sign. I feel like about the time this happened both parties were under some strain, so to speak. I can see where MB calling 911 over the waiver dispute could contribute to the local police thinking he was a frivolous emergency caller.

If it was for another person to sign then LK’s paranoid fantasy here makes no sense at all.

But the episode gives some insight into the mental process here. There was a waiver form in contention, possibly for another rider. LK rolls this fact into a paranoid fantasy about a waiver absolving someone of murder. They don’t, btw. Then she gets hysterical and elicits hysterical behavior from MB and then hopes he looks bad to the police.

I tried to bold the point I want to address. If you listen to the 911 call, Barisone isn’t calling 911 to report LK for not signing the form (whatever it may be). He is calling 911 because LK & RG got verbally aggressive and started making threats. Asking them to sign the form, which Barisone states in the call, is what stated the tirade by LK/RG. Just part of the puzzle that drove Barisone to his breakdown.

[Jillsmith]

I just have to say my heart still breaks so much for MB. It angers me so that he is still in jail, while LK is going about her business, riding her horses, etc. Where is the justice?

[Knights_Mom]

Charlotte Jorst is a class act. I was kind to her while she was feeling low and she reciprocated by inviting me to her place to see the horses, etc.

Her social media is full of happiness and positivity despite what she went through with her marriage ending. She is mean to no one.

LK is no Charlotte Jorst. Never will be.

[ohnoO]

@ekat

But the defense gave us Boyd Martin.

Yes, you’re right. I think they expected him to take a plea, therefore they did no prep. He turned down the plea in late Feb and three weeks later, jury selection began.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Could Mr. Shellhorn have spent that three weeks solely on this case, or would he have others at the same time? Either way I’m sure that office was crazy!

I may love Mr. B as much as I love Mr. Davidson (the hay man)!

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Great point. 2.5 years, and we got barefoot ninja getting barefoot in court, and Mr Sit n Spin. And the Stache.

Mr. Sit n Spin.

[MHM]

@ohnoO

Could Mr. Shellhorn have spent that three weeks solely on this case, or would he have others at the same time?

And even if he had the time to devote to it during those three weeks, weren’t his star witnesses in Florida that whole time? And trying to skip out on the trial anyway?

[Angela_Freda]

@gailbyrd

I tried to bold the point I want to address. If you listen to the 911 call, Barisone isn’t calling 911 to report LK for not signing the form (whatever it may be). He is calling 911 because LK & RG got verbally aggressive and started making threats. Asking them to sign the form, which Barisone states in the call, is what stated the tirade by LK/RG. Just part of the puzzle that drove Barisone to his breakdown

Who does that over a simple, common waiver, all of us who’ve ridden, even jyst once a week lessons, are very familiar with being required to sign?

Their overreaction was exactly what made MB concerned, and now we all see that his concern was fully founded. They admitted there was at least one plot. Anyone who knows people like this, If there was one plot, there probably were more.

Their overreaction is what is often telling.
I had forgotten this. It adds to my thought that this other person riding was part of a scheme of some sort.

Who was it that they wanted allowed to ride her horses? Its becoming a far more interesting thread to this tangled ball of yarn.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@ekat

Great point. 2.5 years, and we got barefoot ninja getting barefoot in court, and Mr Sit n Spin. And the Stache.

Mr. Sit n Spin.

The Barefoot Ninja? You mean like this?

[ohnoO]

@MHM

@ekat

I’d love to be a fly on the wall of Mr B’s office to see what they’re doing now, what they’re doing to prep for a hearing in 17 days, etc.

Will the hearing still happen in 17 days, even if MB is still in jail? Or even if he is transferred by then, but has had less than 30 days for the mental health evaluation?

In my cynical little mind I can’t seem to shake the idea that the powers that be, both in the system and outside influences, are purposely dragging their feet.

I know y’all have said that that is illegal in the state of NJ, but I just can’t shake it.

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

LK is simply an average AA who dabbles in dressage as a hobby, like most of us.

Perfect! She’s nothing more than a dabbler. And not a truly committed dabbler at that!

[MHM]

@eggbutt

@BigMama1

LK is simply an average AA who dabbles in dressage as a hobby, like most of us.

Perfect! She’s nothing more than a dabbler. And not a truly committed dabbler at that!

Dabbling in itself is not a crime. Plenty of people dabble at many different things without torturing anyone else in the process.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

Mr. Sit n Spin.

Also appropriate to describe a kept man who does lots of laundry!

[DownYonder]

@Ambitious_Kate

@Sdel

I know the prosecution is “busy” with a ton of other stuff….but this trial was very gross. We saw almost nothing new. Every claim she had made here was made on the stand. Every claim the prosecution acted like he was eating it up and it was the best stuff since sliced bread….and then every claim the defense either had someone there to directly counter or the prosecution just looked silly.

I mean it really came across as the prosecution just had paid no substantive attention as to what it was that they were really arguing for….

This was the funniest part of the trial - or o ne of the top ones. The prosecution put forth these claims or points like they were so subtantive, but is you knew LK and RG and how they had already undermined themselves they were silly. Then, Mr. B presented the well researched facts that made them useless pieces of disinformation. It made you wonder did the Prosecution research anything about their clients? Did they just think the whole SM thing was silly and meaningless and so they didn’t bother to pay any attention to what these people said or did online? It was such a shallow case, and seemed to miss such obvious points and facts as though it never occured to the prosecution that anyone would care about or ask about, say GSR, or injuries to MB, or question the order of events. Just seriously questionable judgement, it seemed to me.

The prosecutor was no doubt under some pressure to make the case. I am sure he was putting some of that pressure on himself - it would have been a feather in his cap and earned him brownie points with his boss, plus would have looked good on his CV. But I would also not be surprised if there was a fair amount of political pressure involved. Someone high up in the chain of command in that jurisdiction has some kind of connection to someone with a vested interest in making sure the trial turned out a certain way. I feel sorry for the citizens there - the PD, the FD, the DA’s office, and even the judge revealed themselves (on video and the internet, no less) to be either incompetent or biased (or both).

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

Their overreaction was exactly what made MB concerned, and now we all see that his concern was fully founded. They admitted there was at least one plot. Anyone who knows people like this, If there was one plot, there probably were more.

Their overreaction is what is often telling.
I had forgotten this. It adds to my thought that this other person riding was part of a scheme of some sort.

Almost like certain overreactions to “theories” some of us have posted here….