Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[IdahoRider]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think Charlotte Jorst has an amazing dressage career as an amateur. She has progressed to the highest level.

Because she has poured her own money into buying really, really nice horses and she works hard to improve her riding. I would wager a fudge brownie that Jorst shows up for her lessons on time and in the saddle. I would also bet that she didn’t throw a tantrum if Steffen Peters had her take a lesson with Shannon Peters instead of him.

I know none of these people in real life. But I feel pretty safe in saying this.
Sheilah

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Too bad there wasn’t a written agreement on the scope of work, and the payment schedule. It was all a sloppy, loosey goosey arrangement.

I’ve asked this before and I will ask it again. Why didn’t Daddy-O make sure there was a written agreement? One would think an attorney would do everything he could to make sure his darling daughter and her manservant were protected legally, esp. since he (Attorney Daddy-O) knew his daughter needed his help managing her affairs.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

He did emphasize that MB asked the CPS woman to leave the office, got the gun, removed the dummy magazine, loaded the gun, got in the truck, and drove to the farmhouse.

Wow, talk about lying! Schellhorn never said anything of the kind in the courtroom!! Did you hear him making that wild a$$ assumption somewhere else? NO ONE WITNESSED BARISONE TAKE THE GUN ANYWHERE!

I agreed with Sdel that he heavily implied it, but did not state it. He emphasized that the gun was unloaded when RC handed it to him. The implication was that MB couldn’t just grab a loaded gun, but would have to remove the dummy magazine, load it, etc.

Given the gun “showed up” at the scene, the circumstantial evidence is that he took it out of the safe and transported it in his truck.

I agree with you, Eggbutt, that no one saw him with the gun until LK saw it pointed at her. But the implication is that he asked the CPS worker to leave the office so that she would not see him remove it from the safe. Implication.

Is that better?

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

You said “there is no reason for” MHG or HB to have contacted you. You decline to say a straight out ‘No, I was not contacted by any of MHG, MB, HB, or GJ’.

It’s sort of hilarious that this poster, of all people, is pointing out someone else declining to give a straight yes or no answer.

That’s entertaining coming from such a master chef of word salad.

[Sdel]

@ekat

MB, in his increasingly fragile and frantic state, might have forgotten since it wasn’t his most pressing issue or might have believed it didn’t exist if he couldn’t find it.

Or he knew it should be there and that he couldn’t find it was adding to his hysteria and paranoia….meanwhile she’s refusing to sign the liability paperwork……and posting threatening messages….

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Most addicts use language like that because trying it once was the mistake that led them to full blown addiction. Generally, the first time is what they consider the mistake because without it, there wouldn’t be a second time. Someone near and dear to me, who battled their way back from heroin addiction described it like this:

   That first heroin high is so indescribable, so beautiful, that you become desperate to seek that feeling out again.  Heroin becomes the devil promising you, just one more time, we’ll get there again.  Meanwhile, your body is building up the need to have it.  Without it you feel physically sicker than you’ve ever felt in your life, and the devil is telling your brain, just one more time. You’ll feel better.  So you get more and more desperate for that just one more time. You’d sell your grandma’s soul for one more time.  

It’s not that they tried it once and walked away. It’s just that first time was the mistake that led to more.

Ah, so she was being ambiguous to avoid owning up to the fact that she was a confirmed junkie. I can’t believe that an experienced prosecutor like Schellhorn didn’t get it that she was playing him (since he didn’t drill down on it), but I guess he let it go because it certainly would not have helped his case if she had admitted she was an addict.

[Scribbler]

@ekat

@DownYonder

LK testified that she tried heroin “once, and boy, that was a mistake.” Or words to that effect.

Most addicts use language like that because trying it once was the mistake that led them to full blown addiction. Generally, the first time is what they consider the mistake because without it, there wouldn’t be a second time. Someone near and dear to me, who battled their way back from heroin addiction described it like this:

   That first heroin high is so indescribable, so beautiful, that you become desperate to seek that feeling out again.  Heroin becomes the devil promising you, just one more time, we’ll get there again.  Meanwhile, your body is building up the need to have it.  Without it you feel physically sicker than you’ve ever felt in your life, and the devil is telling your brain, just one more time. You’ll feel better.  So you get more and more desperate for that just one more time. You’d sell your grandma’s soul for one more time.  

It’s not that they tried it once and walked away. It’s just that first time was the mistake that led to more.

It’s hard for me to understand because, well, I’ve never tried it, nor do I intend to. But every addict I’ve known, when they’re being honest, they use very similar language.

A bit curious how long a recovering addict needs to stay on suboxone or similar before they can start to wean themselves off all chemical dependency and the annoying side effects like sleepiness.

Say a person started heroin use at age 20, was an active addict for ten years, then went on suboxone at age 30. If they were really participating in their recovery and staying away from druggie friends, would we expect them to still need suboxone at age 41? Is that the norm? Or does a prolonged use of suboxone suggest that the person has had lapses and temptations?

I think a big part of recovery in every addiction story I’ve heard is wanting to be clean and live a productive lifestyle, and it requires giving up your druggie buddies. If the addicted lifestyle still has an allure you will relapse, game the system or continue to lead an addict lifestyle even while on suboxone or methadone etc.

If suboxone makes you so sleepy that you can not even tack up your own horse, it seems to me that you can’t really function well enough to rebuild your life. You could use it to blunt the physical cravings but you would need to get off it fairly quickly to rebuild a normal life and not just continue nodding off.

Ah. Edited to add this was addressed upthread and being on suboxone alone is not going to fix a junkie. As I thought.

[ekat]

@MorganSercu

In my state, they can be in a world of legal trouble even if they do NOT know. Property can be lost, security clearances (and jobs) too

Also here in my state. Also, even if they did not know, and police were to subsequently find illegal drugs in a common area they could also be charged with constructive possession.

[DownYonder]

@MorganSercu

No. Trying heroin once does not make you an addict.

No. You cannot become physically dependent on or addicted to heroin after one use. Being physically dependent on a drug means that one needs the drug to function properly. Physical dependence on the drug takes time and repeated use to develop…

Anything is possible (lying to sell it illegally), but not terribly likely.

Thanks for confirming what I already suspected!

[MHM]

I’m interrupting this exchange to post the results from Kentucky for the Boyd Martin and Phillip Dutton fans. Also, Michael Jung won the event for the fourth time by finishing on his dressage score, which I believe set a new record.

And the person who finished second was the youngest competitor there and also doing her first five star. Good for her!

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Ah, so she was being ambiguous to avoid owning up to the fact that she was a confirmed junkie. I can’[t believe that an experienced prosecutor like Schellhorn didn’t get it that she was playing him (since he didn’t drill down on it), but I guess he let it go because it certainly would not have helped his case if she had admitted she was an addict.

The reality is Schellhorn had to to address it. Better to come out in direct than when Mr B brings it up. You try to do that as gently and as nonchalantly as possible and move on. She gave him an answer that didn’t sound too bad, so he moved away.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

Too bad there wasn’t a written agreement on the scope of work, and the payment schedule

Unless there was. And the ninja that bragged about having access to his office and MB’s contracts made it disappear. MB, in his increasingly fragile and frantic state, might have forgotten since it wasn’t his most pressing issue or might have believed it didn’t exist if he couldn’t find it.

That’s how it happens in my movie anyway. There’s just as much evidence either way. No one on either side has said a written contract didn’t exist, that I can find evidence of.

Has anyone on either side that any written contract did exist? That doesn’t prove their non existence, but if a contract existed for board, rent, renovations, horse sale, anything, the probability is that a contract would have been mentioned by someone.

To me, the main use of a written contract is not that you can pull it out and use it in court, but that it forces both parties to be clear on what each expects and is promising. I think the lack of written agreements, and in particular the lack of a clear understanding of what each party was expecting/promising contributed to the fear and loathing.

[Scribbler]

@DownYonder

@ekat

Most addicts use language like that because trying it once was the mistake that led them to full blown addiction. Generally, the first time is what they consider the mistake because without it, there wouldn’t be a second time. Someone near and dear to me, who battled their way back from heroin addiction described it like this:

   That first heroin high is so indescribable, so beautiful, that you become desperate to seek that feeling out again.  Heroin becomes the devil promising you, just one more time, we’ll get there again.  Meanwhile, your body is building up the need to have it.  Without it you feel physically sicker than you’ve ever felt in your life, and the devil is telling your brain, just one more time. You’ll feel better.  So you get more and more desperate for that just one more time. You’d sell your grandma’s soul for one more time.  

It’s not that they tried it once and walked away. It’s just that first time was the mistake that led to more.

Ah, so she was being ambiguous to avoid owning up to the fact that she was a confirmed junkie. I can’[t believe that an experienced prosecutor like Schellhorn didn’t get it that she was playing him (since he didn’t drill down on it), but I guess he let it go because it certainly would not have helped his case if she had admitted she was an addict.

She said she was on suboxone. That’s admitting you’re an addict and had a significant addiction.

[Omgitsme]

First is LK talking to me, we are referencing an experience we had in 2016/2017 wherein she posted something nasty about my trainer and I called her out on it.
She and her minion then verbally attacked me, I remained calm during the exchange while they steadily got more nasty. She then used a website to make it appear I had sent her a message demanding money (I have never had LK’s number so it was extra absurd) for “blackmail”. (She never did tell me what I was blackmailing her for.) She then informed she was reporting me for cyber bullying her and the sheriff was headed to my house. She put my private home address on her public Facebook page.

Does any of this look or sound normal to you?
She was also telling me criminal charges Would be brought against me for “doxxing” her. (I posted her NC arrest record which is public information and contains nothing aside from her name and the charge)

Edit: it keeps changing the order these should be posted in, I give up.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I agree with you, Eggbutt, that no one saw him with the gun until LK testified she saw it pointed at her. But the implication is that he asked the CPS worker to leave the office so that she would not see him remove it from the safe. Implication.

Is that better?

There, I fixed it for you (bold is mine). Yep, an impeached witness said all sorts of things on that witness stand under oath.

Reminder: zero forensic evidence collected from anyone.

There, that’s better.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

And did HB contact you as someone else who had a SM spat with LK? Weren’t they compiling a file?

And I would know this, how? I’m really good but I’m not clairvoyant!

You truly are way too concerned about who, when and why anyone would have contacted me about LK.

1. You would know if they contacted you as someone who had a previous SM spat with LK.
2. It’s in the court record that MB filed a SS complaint against LK, aside from your admitting to knowing MHG.

Huh? And, I’m involved in this how?

Let’s make this really easy for you to comprehend, ONE (1) person contacted me after the shooting regarding LK, that is until the past 6 months or so. That ONE (1) person was not HB, as I’ve said, I’ve known her for years. No one contacted me prior to the shooting! Can I spell it out any more clear for you?

Come on, just spit out whatever it is you really are asking and let’s cut to the chase, mkay?

Thanks for acknowledging that you were contacted regarding LK by an insider after the shooting.

Given that MB/MHG were compiling information on others who had had SM spats with LK prior to the shooting, and given that you knew both HB and MHG, I thought perhaps you were involved prior to the shooting as well. But you have now clearly denied that. Thanks.

CH - you have been trying waaaaaay too hard to find some kernel of “evidence” that supports any of the allegations you have been tossing out here willy-nilly. Just like YD did ad nauseum, (the comparison is valid) you are presenting yourself as a Great Defender for LK - one who will right all the wrongs inflicted upon this sweet, innocent lamb who surely is not in any way responsible for influencing any events that led to the shooting. You are The One who sees through all the facts to find the real truth. #frenzied applause

@CurrentlyHorseless

@IdahoRider

@CurrentlyHorseless

LKs position was that MB owed her money and that was one reason she hadn’t moved.

And now, thanks to the criminal trial, we have RG on the record as saying he never worked so much that he “Got ahead of what she owed at that moment”. So there goes her claim of money owed to RG. And unless she had been hired to clean stalls (gasp) or vacuum to help work off training? Her claims regarding the civil case don’t stand.
Sheilah

Did not say that. He said he didn’t work more because he didn’t want to get too far ahead of the $2,500 a month owed for the third horse, and because MB didn’t always have the materials bought. He said that at the time of the shooting he thought he was, in fact ahead.

Too bad there wasn’t a written agreement on the scope of work, and the payment schedule. It was all a sloppy, loosey goosey arrangement.

All of RG’s personal and business dealings seem to be constructed on a loosey goosey basis. What is his current job again? Is there a written agreement as to his exact duties and the hours involved? What is the pay schedule? Does he get an allowance from LK or JK?

The lie that MB “owed” them $50,000 was exposed for the complete manipulative BS it was… but you are still going to bend over backwards to make excuses and toss out random squirrels…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Wait, YOU can now imagine, suspect, theorize, guess, imply but that has been verboten for anyone else since the shooting?

News flash @CurrentlyHorseless, the criminal trial is OVER. MB was found NOT GUILTY. It’s gonna be fun if your SWAG is brought up during the Civil trial!

News flash @Eggbutt, the criminal trial is OVER. MB was found NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY.

[IdahoRider]

@MorganSercu

The term “blackballed” is still in use, and the box was saved as part of history.

Dang, I always thought it had something to do with testicles. I stand corrected.
Sheilah

[ekat]

@Scribbler

A bit curious how long a recovering addict needs to stay on suboxone or similar before they can start to wean themselves off all chemical dependency and the annoying side effects like sleepiness.

I think that a lot of it is subjective, but in a true recovery setting, while you’re working on getting your whole person well, your medical professional is safely “tapering down” the Suboxone (or methadone). The point is for you to come out clean both physically and mentally.

Generally, people who use the crutch of Suboxone (or methadone) indefinitely aren’t actively working on recovery. They’re calling themselves “clean” because they have a legal script, but they haven’t done any of the necessary healing work. Generally.

[ohnoO]

I heard a bit of an NPR program the other day with a recovering heroin addict who described it like this:

“You are riding in a car in a bad rainstorm. The car is just getting pelted. The noise is deafening. Then you come to an underpass and instantly all is lovely and quiet!”