Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[RND]

@BigMama1

Please point out where I have made up any stories about LK.

I said “a mob of people” are making up stories about LK. I did not name names. If you don’t think you are part of that mob, congratulations: you don’t need to worry about it. My god you people are petty.

[RND]

@BigMama1

So it’s ok for her to “trash” posters for discussing LK and her family but not ok for anyone to “trash” LK and her family. Got it.

Where did I trash anyone here?

[Scribbler]

About the civil suit. If LK hadn’t come on hard with a civil suit back at the start, I doubt SGF and MB would have launched their own suits. But now they are locked into suit and counter suit after the terrain has really changed for LK, and after a great many things have come out that might have surprised her legal team. I expect LK can’t just drop her suit though, because now the counter suits have some momentum. At this point LK has most to lose by a civil suit, and her family has a certain amount of reputation to lose. It will be interesting to see if they try to settle out of court.

[smoofox]

@MHM

@smoofox

I apparently was also watching a completely different trial than a few people here. Maybe I was confusing Johnny Depp for RG??

I have not been watching the Johnny Depp trial, or keeping up with him lately. But if you actually mixed those two up, you might want to go see an eye doctor immediately. Immediately!!

My glasses work just fine - here is a selfie I just took…

@eggbutt

NOOOOOOoooooooo! I imagining both giving their testimonies. One was professional, thoughtful, confident, sincere, didn’t say “I don’t remember” every other question, compared to…yeah, no comparison! Captain Jack and the thug.

@erinmeri

She does have to help herself. And people maybe need to be a bit kinder to the family because they cannot force her to do that.

Agreed.

@BigMama1

@RND

If anyone ever started a thread trashing any other person on the planet it would surely be shut down way before an entire mob got a chance to join in on the trashing,

Discussing someone’s well-documented actual words and actions is not “trashing.” While a few posters do engage in wild speculation and the fabrication of their own scenarios, I’d wager 98% of what you characterize as trashing is simply reporting or discussing LK’s own behaviour. No different than threads discussing the vile words and actions of NP or DH.

The Mods are very clear about what is and isn’t allowed, and they’ve done a great job walking that line and removing posts that cross it.

You left out discussions about George Morris or Will Faerber or Alan Buck or a wide assortment of other “interesting” folks. I do not see anyone rushing to defend Bob Baffert when he gets roasted in the Racing threads… where is the outrage about that? And BB has never even posted on COTH to sneer, insult, rage and rant as others have.

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And I do not even have a message from BB telling me how to post or ordering me not to post at all - or even threatening me. He better up his game.

@RND

I had kind of hoped that those of you who saw yourselves in my post would just reflect silently and act accordingly rather than make attempts to deflect and defend yourselves by replying, but really who was I kidding? That is way too much to expect.

Is this not the kind of post that you are complaining about? Not much “reflecting silently” there.

I confess that I get weary of the imperious Do As I Say And Not As I Do posts… that do not seem to follow their own advice/rules and seem totally oblivious to that fact.

[RND]

@smoofox

You left out discussions about George Morris or Will Faerber or Alan Buck or a wide assortment of other “interesting” folks. I do not see anyone rushing to defend Bob Baffert when he gets roasted in the Racing threads… where is the outrage about that? And BB has never even posted on COTH to sneer, insult, rage and rant as others have.

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And I do not even have a message from BB telling me how to post or ordering me not to post at all - or even threatening me. He better up his game.

@RND

I had kind of hoped that those of you who saw yourselves in my post would just reflect silently and act accordingly rather than make attempts to deflect and defend yourselves by replying, but really who was I kidding? That is way too much to expect.

Is this not the kind of post that you are complaining about? Not much “reflecting silently” there.

I confess that I get weary of the imperious Do As I Say And Not As I Do posts… that do not seem to follow their own advice/rules and seem totally oblivious to that fact.

If you were LK I would be allowed to accuse you of being really high and I could make jokes about you needing Suboxone but since you aren’t LK I will just say WOW this is a lot of word salad to unpack.
I don’t know Will Faerber, Bob Baffert, or Alan Buck, but I can say that in all the posts about George Morris that I have followed here on COTH, no one made up stories about him beyond what was known about him, and no one dragged any of his family members into the discussions.

You are way too vague regarding your complaints about me - don’t be shy, just say it. You can’t offend me.

[MHM]

@Scribbler

At this point LK has most to lose by a civil suit,

Only if she actually has her own assets, though, right?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@RND

@BigMama1

And I kind of hoped you would read the responses to your post and realize how absurd you sound defending LK and accusing people of “trashing” her by simply discussing the things she has said and done.

I guess we are both disappointed, but only one

Your assertion that I defend LK is completely untrue, and you are incredibly lazy to accuse me of that when all you have to do is search my posts to see the truth. I am capable of acknowledging that LK is a terrible person while at the same time being able to understand how awful it is that a mob of people who don’t even know her are making up stories about her (yes, that’s what you are doing) on an online forum on which she is not even able to defend herself. I don’t disagree with the Moderators’ decision to ban LK, but they should have shut down all discussion about her at the same time. Allowing all of you to gossip and speculate about her and her family for the last two and a half years was bad enough; allowing the gossip and speculation to continue after banning her is absolutely disgusting.

Oh boo hoo. This is what happens what someone like LK decides to play games and abuse people. Those people then in turn don’t think highly of that abuser and they join together to discuss the matter.

You then cannot fault those same people for reacting like this. You should expect it. It’s the rules of society the rest of us have learned to live by and obey and the fact that LK didn’t abide by the rules of society means she must then have to deal with the repercussions.

Say hello to the repercussions.

Had she not opted to lie repeatedly on this forum she could have been here herself. But once again the norms of the culture here were something she was not concerned with. She sought to dominate and ridicule instead. Often by lying. Then she stated in open court that she lies which violated the terms here.

Again, no one else’s fault but her own.

So then you in all your righteous indignation decide that we too should be punished by not being permitted to discuss the very same matter being discussed on social media AROUND THE WORLD.

The fault is hers alone and no, she by right is the one suffering consequences of her own words, actions and deeds.

So in the words of wisdom taught to us as children… tough noogies.

There has been lies said by posters about her as well and baiting-a whole lot of baiting. In fact, she didn’t start trouble with you, you did. She just went too far responding. But then, you continued it. Either one of you could have walked away but when you saw it provoked her, you doubled down and continue to do so even now that she is banned.

I never threatened her. I wrote that I remembered seeing a post of hers. She then deluged me with threatening PMs. Several of them. She attempted to demean me. I posted them. Then others spoke of their threatening, haraasing, coercive PMs.

LK has been wrong in her behavior here. She was banned for lying. The fault is all hers and hers alone.

Your continued defense of her does not paint you in a good light.

I should have walked away you say? NEVER.

No matter how tough the situation nor aggressive the opponent I do not walk away. Never have, never will.

[Sdel]

@BigMama1

The minions sure are busy tonight. Cages must have been rattled.

Maybe it has something to do with the civil trial stay being lifted.

[Knights_Mom]

@RND

@BigMama1

So it’s ok for her to “trash” posters for discussing LK and her family but not ok for anyone to “trash” LK and her family. Got it.

Where did I trash anyone here?

Oh so you admit you’re family then.

Noted.

[smoofox]

Well, I have never accused LK of being really high… and I have no need for Suboxone… and compared to some recent posts in this very thread - that was not much of a word salad. No bacon bits or croutons or anything interesting.

You did not specify when you opined…

If anyone ever started a thread trashing any other person on the planet it would surely be shut down way before an entire mob got a chance to join in on the trashing.

… and some other examples were offered up for your consideration. Other people on the planet who were the subjects of other volatile threads. That is all. If any family members had inserted themselves into any of those conversations to defend bad behavior or lecture, I expect that they would have been discussed as well. The conversations in this forum are extremely tame compared to what goes on Out There - where actual trashing and scorching occurs with great enthusiasm.

How am I vague regarding my “complaints”? I think I was very clear about how I feel about tedious Do As I Say And Not As I Do posts… nothing vague about that. It was not even a complaint as much as a weary observation.

You complain about “a mob of people” making up stories and speculating about LK… while ignoring the other lengthy stories and theories (should they be dismissed as word salad?) that have been offered up about MB. I am not sure if that is irony… or hypocrisy.

And this kind of commentary…

If you don’t think you are part of that mob, congratulations: you don’t need to worry about it. My god you people are petty.

… would annoy you if I had posted like that and sneered that you were being petty. #shrug

IMO the silent reflection and appropriate action that you allegedly hope for are preferable to DAISANAID… from everyone - and not just those you disagree with.

But it seems that is not the case.

[Knights_Mom]

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

[Fiesta01]

You sound like such a kind and compassionate individual. Your family, friends and animals are lucky to have you in their lives.

[Scribbler]

@MHM

@Scribbler

At this point LK has most to lose by a civil suit,

Only if she actually has her own assets, though, right?

I was thinking more of reputation. I don’t think she will get a reward from a civil suit after the revelations of the criminal trial. So she will be out big legal fees and may be ordered to cover the legal fees of the opposing parties.

The civil suit will of necessity air all the family dirty linen in public.

[LexInVA]

If LK’s moolah is in a trust - and there’s no clear indication of that, as the arrangement seems to be that her father simply pays for everything he chooses to pay for - it’s likely an irrevocable trust that she can’t control or have unfettered access to, meaning it’s all protected from any lawsuits, creditors, etc. and if she did lose, she wouldn’t end up paying a dime beyond her own attorney fees, if she’s even paying those to begin with. In other words, it will be business as usual for her, until the money disappears.

[PDDT]

I think Mr. S took one for the team.

[trubandloki]

@erinmeri

I hope something has happened and it isn’t just CH and HHH spewing crazy.

Wishful thinking on your part…wishful thinking.

I am sorry about your job.

@ekat

For the civil suit, it’s pretty normal - do document production and interrogatories, and then do your depositions based on what all the docs produce.

Will they talk to people again that they have already gotten a deposition from? Like LK, can they talk to her again, or is this one of those situations where you get one bite and you are done?

@cutter99

Plus, there are many who will go through the motions of faking it just to not put in the effort and work.

Cutter, I think you hit the biggest nail squarely on the head here.
Being clean is a ton of work. It is very clear that neither of those two like to work at anything.

@erinmeri

She does have to help herself. And people maybe need to be a bit kinder to the family because they cannot force her to do that. Lauren is a monster. It’s just sad she can’t be forced into treatment.

I think the point that most here are trying to make on this topic is that her family appears to encourage her behavior. (Behavior, not her drug use.)
No, they can not make her not do drugs.
But, they can also not encourage her to act like a monster and give her input on how to be a better monster.

Edi t to add - I typed this as I read. @FitzE said it far better than I did.

@3PonyFarm

I sure hope they come up with a good alternative. Ann Klein doesn’t sound much better than where he is now.

I don’t disagree with this in theory. But, there he would at least be getting some mental health support. There he can see visitors. The food has to be better there than in prison. There he can likely breathe fresh air and go outside.

@Scribbler

I expect LK can’t just drop her suit though, because now the counter suits have some momentum.

Legal smart people - totally a what if type question about the whole legal process. If Team LK Clan decides it is not worth exposing all the families dirty laundry and the civil suit is dropped does that mean the MB counter suit is automatically dropped too? Or can a counter suit continue without having to refile as a primary suit?

@smoofox

No bacon bits or croutons or anything interesting.

Sorry, not salad without bacon in some form…come on.

@PDDT

I think Mr. S took one for the team.

OH good point. “Please do this, no matter the outcome you will get a promotion. No one else wants to deal with it.”

[DownYonder]

@Maria

After going back, listening to various persons testimony presented in the criminal trial, I am truly amazed how a couple people have heard totally different things than I and the majority on this thread.

I guess I need the wax cleaned out of my ears

I think some discrepancies may be the result of folks reading the transcript and not really paying attention to what is actually being said. The transcript is machine-generated and frequently doesn’t mesh 100% with what was said. For instance, whenever Schellhorn or Schlessinger said “malingering amnesia,” the transcript interpreted it as “malignant amnesia.” There are many other instances but that is the one that immediately comes to mind.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Will they talk to people again that they have already gotten a deposition from? Like LK, can they talk to her again, or is this one of those situations where you get one bite and you are done?

I don’t think they have any depositions yet, but I could be wrong. I know LK did one set of interrogatories, and they can certainly send more, if they feel new doors were opened since that last set. They can’t just keep asking the same questions, though, and most states have limits but the limits are like, 25 sets in my state.

Without a court order, you only get one deposition.

If the defendant’s counterclaim has enough merit to stand on its own as a claim, the plaintiff cannot dismiss their suit unless all parties agree. I think.

[trubandloki]

Thank you @ekat. I am learning so much.
I guess I did not know there was a difference between interrogatories (not sure I knew that word at all) and depositions.

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

@PDDT

I think Mr. S took one for the team.

OH good point. “Please do this, no matter the outcome you will get a promotion. No one else wants to deal with it.”

The Chief Prosecutor wasn’t going to do it (does the CP even try cases or is he just a manager type?). So the joy fell on Schellhorn, who is probably their strongest asst prosecutor. He gave it his best shot but unfortunately for him, he was up against Mr. B and a strong list of character witnesses for MB. Worst of all for Schellhorn, his star witnesses revealed to the world (and the jurors) what kind of people they are. And it became abundantly clear that they had tormented MB to the point of making him crazy - and abundantly clear that the LE had utterly failed to help protect MB from the human scum that was preying on him.