Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MHM]

Ugh. Horrible.

Thanks for the information.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

@DownYonder

Again, IANAL, so I may be attaching more meaning to Judge Taylor’s comment than the law allows. It would be interesting to know for sure.

I think you might be. It’s understandable though.

Well just darn.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Well just darn.

Judge T’s words may not be binding on the civil trial, but look what we did learn from it.

LK and RG’s story of the event was unbelievable it 12 people, hence the straight up NG in relation to RG.

12 impartial jurors believed “Finish the Bastard” and all the other ninja acts caused MB to have a psychotic break.

It’s not going to get easier for LK because MB’s going to be able to get a whole lot more evidence in because he gets to attempt to prove LK’s actions led to her injury.

[Graymaresrule]

I believe much of the anti MGH sentiment comes from people who think she moved on to quickly.

[McGurk]

But no one really knows how quickly she did or didn’t move on. People are drawing conclusions from facts not in evidence.

Visitation with her children was on the line, and she and MB had been under incredible pressure for months because of the Kanareks. There was also the creepy business of LK and RG trying to find out where her kids were, she might well have believed that they would physically harm the children.

Had the shooting not occured, it’s highly likely that after the CPS visit, MHG would have broken up with him and/or moved out because of the threat to her children.

And most reasonable people would understand “I love you, and I want to be with you, but I can’t lose visitation with my kids, so we have to end this until this horrible situation with your client is resolved.”

But the shooting did occur, MB was in jail and incommunicado, and the situation at the barn was still dangerous.

It also appears that MHG remained supportive of MB through the whole ordeal.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Judge T’s words may not be binding on the civil trial, but look what we did learn from it.

LK and RG’s story of the event was unbelievable it 12 people, hence the straight up NG in relation to RG.

12 impartial jurors believed “Finish the Bastard” and all the other ninja acts caused MB to have a psychotic break.

It’s not going to get easier for LK because MB’s going to be able to get a whole lot more evidence in because he gets to attempt to prove LK’s actions led to her injury.

Oh, yeah - much of what the PI discovered will likely come out. Including information about her ex-husband having a protective order against LK, plus her “banishment” from the family home (assuming both are true).

If the K’s think this trial cast them in a bad light, just wait till the civil trial. No doubt they are banking on an out of court settlement that includes an NDA because if all that “dirty laundry” makes it out to the public, they may find themselves as “outcasts” at the country club.

Edited to add: I am not banking on a certain someone abiding by an NDA, though.

[trubandloki]

@DownYonder

Edited to add: I am not banking on a certain someone abiding by an NDA, though.

When there is a non-disclosure agreement are their punishments listed in the agreement for the situation when one of the people (or one of their identities) does not follow the agreement?

[Graymaresrule]

I didn’t say it had basis in fact.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ambitious_Kate

@Warmblood1

I’m also fascinated by the anti-MHG narrative some posters seem to have. Is this narrative based on anything, literally anything, remotely factual? Why is this unpopular opinion popular amongst a small group of allegedly unaffiliated people?

I too am aghasted - I attempted to address this, and of course CurrentlyHorseless had no answer.

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHGs role in the events puts her in an unflattering light, that’s the natural consequence of her decision

You, know, you need to just sit down and stop perpetuating the victimization of the people Lauren Kanarek has pathologically set out to destroy. Who are you to make snide nasty comments about Mary Haskins Gray, who is by all accounts a kind, talented dedicated athlete and trainer? Your bad mouthing the people Lauren terrorized is uncalled for, and your smug attempts to further Lauren’s completely neurotic smear campaign against MGH are as pathetic as Lauren’s, and more so because you don’t even have any connections to the people who worked so hard to make the farm and his business a success.

You can’t even get your facts straight timeline-wise about Mary Haskins Gray, or about MBs personal life, or his divorce, yet you glibly draw conclusions about his life you have no connection to, nor knowledge of, which have no substance other than to smear people you could never hope to know in real life. Just stop it. You don’t know what you are talking about and you sound like a minion sent here by a seriously emotionally sick person who told the court she was going to ruin Mary Haskins Gray’s life. You don’t know her, and you don’t know what happened, so just stop.

Edited for clarity

She doesn’t know MHG or MB or any of the people in the matter, and touts wildly inacurate ideas a bout them. None of the “pod” of performers do, so who are they to say ruinious things about Mary Haskins Gray or Michael Barisone?

I don’t know any of the these people personally. Here’s what is in the public record about MHG.

She left her husband for MB, disrupting the lives of her children. Her relationship with MB started in 2015, while he was married. VKB did not file tor divorce until 2017 with the divorce finalized in 2018, so it looks to me that she broke up the marriage (and business partnership).

LK is who she is. If MHG had not been in the picture at all, and Vera had still been wife, business partner, and barn manager, supporting MBs professional success instead of relying on MB to support her own ambitions, would Vera have been able to co exist peacefully with LK as a client, or simply ask her to leave without drama in April 2019? Probably.

IM has said that MB hates MHG. He has said that MB gave up everything to be with MHG. When he snapped and shot LK and was incarcerated, she dropped him and left closing up of the facility to a working student’s mom. She was with him when he was useful to her and left as soon as he was not useful.

Finally, she submitted 750 pages of material on LK to USEF on Aug 6 in an effort to get LK banned from USEF for life, the day before her BF shot LK. USEF can decide for itself whether the submission was selfless and in the best interest of the sport or whether MHG was using USEF as a weapon.

[Warmblood1]

If my children were in perceived danger, I’d remove them and myself from the situation immediately. If I was with a partner that became temporarily insane, I’d imagine that relationship would not work out.

No one knows the conditions of MHG/Mb’s relationship and that of MB and his ex-wife - all these opinions are made on assumptions unless anyone has any facts I’m unaware of related to the matter that they could share.

I have yet to see any facts surrounding @CurrentlyHorseless strong opinion of MHG, for example. An opinion that seems to be unwavering despite a lack of evidence, much like the opinions LK and affiliates hold.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

She left her husband for MB, disrupting the lives of her children

Have you spoken to her ex-husband? Do you know for a fact that their separation wasn’t mutual? Have you spoken to her children over the matter? Do they agree with what you have painted of them as well? I thought you were unaffiliated? How could you know?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

If my children were in perceived danger, I’d remove them and myself from the situation immediately. If I was with a partner that became temporarily insane, I’d imagine that relationship would not work out.

No one knows the conditions of MHG/Mb’s relationship and that of MB and his ex-wife - all these opinions are made on assumptions unless anyone has any facts I’m unaware of related to the matter that they could share.

I have yet to see any facts surrounding @CurrentlyHorseless strong opinion of MHG, for example. An opinion that seems to be unwavering despite a lack of evidence, much like the opinions LK and affiliates hold.

We know the dates: 2015, 2017, 2018.

I agree the children should not have been there in July and August. After the shooting, she could have been supportive of MB, but apparently stopped him in a flash.

[Angela_Freda]

@McGurk

But the shooting did occur, MB was in jail and incommunicado, and the situation at the barn was still dangerous.

Maybe more dangerous to MHG at that point. After “Finishing the Bastard” these cretins would potentially be looking at who to hurt next… And they’ve made it crystal clear who that would be.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

We know the dates: 2015, 2017, 2018.

The dates prove absolutely nothing. They are dates. None of this is evidence based.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MHG had not been in the picture at all, and Vera had still been wife, business partner, and barn manager, supporting MBs professional success instead of relying on MB to support her own ambitions, would Vera have been able to co exist peacefully with LK as a client, or simply ask her to leave without drama in April 2019? Probably.

say what now?

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Her relationship with MB started in 2015, while he was married.

Does relationship mean training relationship?

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Finally, she submitted 750 pages of material on LK to USEF on Aug 6 in an effort to get LK banned from USEF for life,

As I remember it, both MHG and MB submitted those hundreds of ok pages.

Had those pages and pages of threats not been created…well, of course we can’t hold LK accountable, can we?

[trubandloki]

I am laughing at the thought that it is all the fault of some other woman because, darn it, if that woman had not come along no one would have known that LK was evil and willing to ruin the lives of some people just for fun and “finish the bastard”.

Again, if LK did not like the program at MB’s because he was with someone that LK did not want to get along with, LK could do what the rest of us do when the relationship with our trainer is not going how we want, leave.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t know any of the these people personally. Here’s what is in the public record about MHG.

She left her husband for MB, disrupting the lives of her children. Her relationship with MB started in 2015, while he was married. VKB did not file tor divorce until 2017 with the divorce finalized in 2018, so it looks to me that she broke up the marriage (and business partnership).

LK is who she is. If MHG had not been in the picture at all, and Vera had still been wife, business partner, and barn manager, supporting MBs professional success instead of relying on MB to support her own ambitions, would Vera have been able to co exist peacefully with LK as a client, or simply ask her to leave without drama in April 2019? Probably.

IM has said that MB hates MHG. He has said that MB gave up everything to be with MHG. When he snapped and shot LK and was incarcerated, she dropped him and left closing up of the facility to a working student’s mom. She was with him when he was useful to her and left as soon as he was not useful.

Finally, she submitted 750 pages of material on LK to USEF on Aug 6 in an effort to get LK banned from USEF for life, the day before her BF shot LK. USEF can decide for itself whether the submission was selfless and in the best interest of the sport or whether MHG was using USEF as a weapon.

This fixation on and “knowledge” about MB’s relationships… the endless desire to make MHG into an evil person plotting against poor dear LK… and the unswerving dedication to IM’s every word as being “truth” and never to be doubted…

… is just sad.

How ironic that someone who insists they have no connections to anyone in this case nevertheless also insists they “know” everything about everyone involved, all the personal relationships, everything.

More deja vu.

[smoofox]

@trubandloki

Again, if LK did not like the program at MB’s because he was with someone that LK did not want to get along with, LK could do what the rest of us do when the relationship with our trainer is not going how we want, leave.

It really is that simple (and she even had a place to go)… but it does not fit in with the pleasure, fun and games of Finish The Bastard. Nothing else mattered.