Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[pony_baloney]

I’ve got a question pertaining to Dr. Simring’s testimony. It came out that he has taken the stand for either the defendant or the prosecutor, depending on who hires him. If he had been hired by the prosecutor, would they have known of his opinion of MB’s mental state before appearing in the trial? And if (assuming he’s honest) he states MB acted this way and didn’t know what he was doing because of LK, would they retain another doctor to testify for their side?

During his closing argument, when Mr. B. said the Stache works for the prosecutor’s office regularly and will give his opinion to benefit them, I wondered what would happen if the hired doctor’s opinion isn’t exactly what the side wants.

I loved listening to Dr. Simring and could have listened to him for much longer.

[ekat]

@pony_baloney

If he had been hired by the prosecutor, would they have known of his opinion of MB’s mental state before appearing in the trial? And if (assuming he’s honest) he states MB acted this way and didn’t know what he was doing because of LK, would they retain another doctor to testify for their side

Yes, and yes. And they would have had to disclose his reports to the defense.

On the night of the verdict, on CourtTV, specifically Vinnie Politan’s show, he had a guy on that was a former NJ prosecutor. That guy talked about having used Dr Simring, and how Dr Simring would always tell him that he couldn’t make any promises one way or the other. He basically said Dr Simring couldn’t be bought.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I said that by leaving her husband, MHG “disrupted” the lives of her children. I never said she “hurt” her children.

dis·rup·tion

/disˈrəpSH(ə)n/

noun

noun: disruption ; plural noun: disruptions ; noun: digital disruption

disturbance or problems which interrupt an event, activity, or process.

So was the disturbance to her children helping them? Or hurting them?

You know the portrait you are trying to paint. No one is fooled.

[hut-ho78]

@RHdobes563

@hut-ho78 and @CurrentlyHorseless—
So what did MHG do to LK to earn LKs wrath?

I would like this question answered, too.

KM already asked me that question very politely and I answered. It’s just upthread.

[pony_baloney]

@ekat

@pony_baloney

If he had been hired by the prosecutor, would they have known of his opinion of MB’s mental state before appearing in the trial? And if (assuming he’s honest) he states MB acted this way and didn’t know what he was doing because of LK, would they retain another doctor to testify for their side

Yes, and yes. And they would have had to disclose his reports to the defense.

On the night of the verdict, on CourtTV, specifically Vinnie Politan’s show, he had a guy on that was a former NJ prosecutor. That guy talked about having used Dr Simring, and how Dr Simring would always tell him that he couldn’t make any promises one way or the other. He basically said Dr Simring couldn’t be bought.

I like him even more now!

[hut-ho78]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

I said that by leaving her husband, MHG “disrupted” the lives of her children. I never said she “hurt” her children.

dis·rup·tion

/disˈrəpSH(ə)n/

noun

noun: disruption ; plural noun: disruptions ; noun: digital disruption

disturbance or problems which interrupt an event, activity, or process.

So was the disturbance to her children helping them? Or hurting them?

You know the portrait you are trying to paint. No one is fooled.

Why is this getting testy? Someone who knows her said a couple of days ago that her husband left her because he resented the time she spent with horses. So did he leave her or did she leave him?

MB has a girlfriend now who is putting him first and is a real help to him. I hope he can understand that and always treats her well.

[RHdobes563]

@hut-ho78

I have no idea. LK said it would all come out but if it did, I missed it.

Okay. Thanks.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

@smoofox

How ironic that someone who insists they have no connections to anyone in this case nevertheless also insists they “know” everything about everyone involved, all the personal relationships, everything.

My thoughts exactly.

@CurrentlyHorseless, I thought you didn’t form your opinions without evidence? Where is the evidence showing that MHG and her husband’s separation wasn’t mutual and that it did indeed hurt her children? Such a serious accusation to make without any evidence. Please explain.

Also wondering how you can fault MHG for leaving “too soon” when she testified under oath that she believed herself to be in danger, as well as her children. According to you, the children should have been removed (and why should they have been removed specifically in July or August as you state?) but MHG should stay? Should domestic violence victims stay too? The perceived threat to themselves is the same.

ETA: re: MHG using SS as a weapon - are you kidding me? What do people do when they have concerns regarding SS? Are you penalizing her for sending in evidence?

My, my. Eight questions posed to a poster no one wants to hear from.

I said that by leaving her husband, MHG “disrupted” the lives of her children. I never said she “hurt” her children.

I did not fault MHG for “leaving too soon”. I pointed out that after the shooting it appears that she abruptly dropped MB, and left it to a working student’s mother to handle the logistical issues of closing down the operation at HH, and of providing emotional support to MB in the aftermath of the shooting.

On Aug 6, MHG submitted a 750+ page file to USEF in an attempt to get LK “banned for life”. Did she send the file to SS as well?

It’s up to the recipient — USEF — to determine whether MHG submitting that file on LK was a service to the sport or … something else. If USEF has no issues with the submission of the file, then MHG has nothing to worry about on that score.

And, my dear @smoofox, I have never said, much less “insisted”, that I know “everything about everyone involved, all the personal relationships, everything.” Or was that sarcasm?

To @CurrentlyHorseless
What did MHG do to LK to earn LKs hatred to the point of promising to end MHGs horse career?

[hut-ho78]

I don’t remember LK saying she would end MH’s career. I remember IM saying when everything comes out that MH would be limited in her ability to advance. Did LK say it too?

[Unfforgettable]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What do you imagine I “wannabe”?

Relevant?

[hut-ho78]

@Unfforgettable

@CurrentlyHorseless

What do you imagine I “wannabe”?

Relevant?

Well that wasn’t nice. Know better, do better, be better.

[3PonyFarm]

On a side note, does anyone know how the new farm at the old HH location is doing? In my area there have been a few horse farms sold to developers as the owners were facing rising costs to keep the facilities operating. Hearing how much the farm cost to operate during the trial made me think of the new owners. I hope it is doing well.

[FitzE]

MB and LK were the subjects of a live-streamed court case. Speculation about them based on that case and surrounding publicity, and on the upcoming civil case, for which filings have already been made public, is one thing.

Speculating about the marriage status or parenting ability or family life of MHG, who was not a defendant in the criminal trial nor a party named in the civil suit, is wholly inappropriate. The only reason anyone would do so is to further a personal vendetta they have against MHG, either of their own or on behalf of another. In both cases it’s wrong as well as unseemly, classless, and tacky.

Be better.

Anyone who does have some desire to see her ‘exposed’ or ‘in a bad light’ or ‘have difficulty advancing’ must be feeling rather small these days. From all that has been shared here, she seems to be enjoying success in riding and competition, has a successful relationship, two beautiful children, and presented herself as poised and gracious under pressure while on the witness stand.

Several other people who took the stand might want to take notes.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

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And, my dear @smoofox, I have never said, much less “insisted”, that I know “everything about everyone involved, all the personal relationships, everything.” Or was that sarcasm?

BINGO! There was no need to use the /s - when the sarcasm was obvious. But to be honest, much like IM, you do suggest that you know all the details and like to regale us with that knowledge at great length…

[Ambitious_Kate]

@BrendaJane

@DownYonder

I am not banking on a certain someone abiding by an NDA, though.

they are unable to remain silent…
which should be very interesting
Then again…that truth thing…

Yes, but she will lie about it, so we can’t belieeve anything she says about it.

[Bogey2]

exactly…For Dressage if they truly thought someone could help they would be riding with Debbie McDonald or Robert Dover back in the day. Those two had some influence…BUT it was your qualifying scores, horse/rider ability that got you to that point.

[trubandloki]

@FitzE

In both cases it’s wrong as well as unseemly, classless, and tacky.

Oh, kind of like “finish the bastard” and admitting that you lie on social media to get attention and admitting you had a plan to ruin someone?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Eggbutt, on the other hand, maintained she had no involvement and knew none of the principles for the first two years she had been orchestrating these threads.

This is a lie.

[Cat_Tap]

Well, we were moving along nicely while CC and hutho were on a break. Now that they are back I have noticed they are the winners of the most “quoted posts”.

[Angela_Freda]

@BrendaJane

the only ‘bombshell’ was that they had to admit under oath they are lying druggies

Which was only a bombshell to hear them admit, not because everyone hadn’t already known that.