Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

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@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK was being bashed on this forum while still in the hospital and in a coma, months before the civil suit was filed. To suggest that the filing of her civil suit is the reason people are discussing her dirty laundry is ridiculous. Eggbutt has said many times, honestly, that she hates LK and wants to “warn” others about her, hence it is her mission to repeat every negative allegation she can work up. Some of the allegations seem to be true, others not so much.

Despite some extremely fanciful “speculation” to the effect that LK masterminded the whole shooting, deliberately goading MB into shooting and injuring her so she could sue and “take his farm”, LK did not ask to be shot and did not ask to be the center of attention in this spectacle. Neither did MB, RC, MHG or any of them.

MHG was not involved in the criminal case, except as a witness. LK was not involved in the criminal case, except as the victim, and as a witness. The criminal case was the state of NJ vs MB.

MHG, along with LK, was involved in the interpersonal conflict that led to the shooting and the criminal case, however. That is why she is being discussed here.

In the trial, the testimony revealed a strong mutual dislike between MHG and LK. Why did MHG dislike LK? I don’t know since I wasn’t there, but possibilities are: LK was taking up MBs time and attention, MHG considered LK a rich dilettante, whatever. Why did LK dislike MHG? Possibilities are: MHG disliked her and was pressuring MB to get her kicked out, she perceived MHG looked down on her and faulted her for missing lessons, whatever.

In the interpersonal relationship between two people, it’s almost always the case that same general emotion is reflected back and forth: friendship, hate, indifference, whatever. I suppose one party could feel friendship toward the other, and have the feeling returned with indifference, but generally when it comes to strong dislike and hate, it’s a two way street. It’s not a mystery as to why LK disliked MHG; she knew she was disliked by MHG.

MBs associates have not talked about the case publicly under their own names. But I’m convinced that Eggbutt has been posting all along with inside information from at least one of Barisone’s close associates. So Barisone’s associates refrained from stooping to throwing mud, and worse, under their own names, but nevertheless got the mud thrown on a daily basis by Eggbutt and cohorts.

The hypocrisy in the continued mantra that LK is fair game for any allegation and insult, while the role of MHG may not be discussed, is breathtaking.

No one, to my knowledge, is taking any active steps to limit MHGs future in the sport. I have pointed out the obvious — that MHG participated with MB in compiling a 750+ page file on LK and sent it to USEF on the day before MB shot her. I don’t believe for a minute that the PI report or the “reaching out” to GJ, HB, and other SM enemies (EB says she was not contacted) was for information on “how other people had gotten her out.” Ridiculous. Laughable. The information gathering was for the purpose of compiling the file, and the purpose of the file was, according to a text from MB to MHG, to get LK “banned for life”.

It’s up to USEF to determine the repercussions of that file submission. It’s not up to LK, JK, or anyone else. If I were MHG, I would regret having sent it.

Interesting that you say this. It’s been proven that LK verbally and psychologically harasses others, yet you believe MHG is at fault for sending in her evidence and concerns to SS? Have you read the 750 pages sent to SS? Why should MHG regret sending in these pages?

I did not say MHG is at fault for sending the material to those organizations. I was actually referring to the submission to USEF, not SS.

In receiving the file, USEF will make the determination if it casts an unflattering light on MHG, LK, both, or neither. If I were the one who sent in the file, attempting to get someone banned for life by USEF, I would be regretting it. Perhaps MHG has no regrets on her role in submitting the file.

[MHM]

Nope, nope, nope.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If I were the one who sent in the file, attempting to get someone banned for life by USEF, I would be regretting it. Perhaps MHG has no regrets on her role in submitting the file.

My mistake, USEF; regardless, why would you have regrets pertaining to this matter?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

My husband is a partner at a major global firm [sadly, not blue chip ]. When I was telling him about this case and the civil case, he just shook his head.

He said, every time someone tells him they want to sue someone else, he always says the same thing: I’m not saying you shouldn’t if you really have a case, but I am telling you to think very, very carefully before you start down this road. What is going to be revealed about you cannot be undone. You must be prepared for all your skeletons to come rushing out of their closets and all your dirty laundry to hang in the breeze.

LK started her civil suit well before the criminal trial had even begun. MB’s suit against the police alone provided copious details of her personal life. And that’s as nothing compared to what’s going to come out. She has also threatened suits for years, so she must be well prepared to be in this spotlight.

That is why people are discussing it. She did so knowingly and, if not, then her top 5 global blue chip law firm lawyers aren’t worth their uber eats per diem for overtime meals. She should have gone into this fully aware that everything she could possibly imagine was coming out, would be a matter of public record, and would be discussed in connection to the case. Her father at the very least should have told her this. And, as pointed out above, she has overshared for years so she also put a lot of material out there prior to any of this.

MHG did none of those things. She was not involved in the criminal case (except as an exemplary witness) nor is she a party to any of the civil suits. She spent the last 2.5 years standing pat about the whole situation, not a single word on SM, the approach taken by all of MB’s associates. That is why ‘simply’ replacing ‘MHG’ with ‘LK and MHG’ [the smell of pants on fire must be overwhelming somewhere out there] in my post was not only nonsensical (and dishonest, manipulative, and creepy), it showed a fundamental lack of understanding about the situation each of the parties is in with respect to the various actions.

LK was being bashed on this forum while still in the hospital and in a coma, months before the civil suit was filed. To suggest that the filing of her civil suit is the reason people are discussing her dirty laundry is ridiculous. Eggbutt has said many times, honestly, that she hates LK and wants to “warn” others about her, hence it is her mission to repeat every negative allegation she can work up. Some of the allegations seem to be true, others not so much.

Despite some extremely fanciful “speculation” to the effect that LK masterminded the whole shooting, deliberately goading MB into shooting and injuring her so she could sue and “take his farm”, LK did not ask to be shot and did not ask to be the center of attention in this spectacle. Neither did MB, RC, MHG or any of them.

MHG was not involved in the criminal case, except as a witness. LK was not involved in the criminal case, except as the victim, and as a witness. The criminal case was the state of NJ vs MB.

MHG, along with LK, was involved in the interpersonal conflict that led to the shooting and the criminal case, however. That is why she is being discussed here.

In the trial, the testimony revealed a strong mutual dislike between MHG and LK. Why did MHG dislike LK? I don’t know since I wasn’t there, but possibilities are: LK was taking up MBs time and attention, MHG considered LK a rich dilettante, whatever. Why did LK dislike MHG? Possibilities are: MHG disliked her and was pressuring MB to get her kicked out, she perceived MHG looked down on her and faulted her for missing lessons, whatever.

In the interpersonal relationship between two people, it’s almost always the case that same general emotion is reflected back and forth: friendship, hate, indifference, whatever. I suppose one party could feel friendship toward the other, and have the feeling returned with indifference, but generally when it comes to strong dislike and hate, it’s a two way street. It’s not a mystery as to why LK disliked MHG; she knew she was disliked by MHG.

MBs associates have not talked about the case publicly under their own names. But I’m convinced that Eggbutt has been posting all along with inside information from at least one of Barisone’s close associates. So Barisone’s associates refrained from stooping to throwing mud, and worse, under their own names, but nevertheless got the mud thrown on a daily basis by Eggbutt and cohorts.

The hypocrisy in the continued mantra that LK is fair game for any allegation and insult, while the role of MHG may not be discussed, is breathtaking.

No one, to my knowledge, is taking any active steps to limit MHGs future in the sport. I have pointed out the obvious — that MHG participated with MB in compiling a 750+ page file on LK and sent it to USEF on the day before MB shot her. I don’t believe for a minute that the PI report or the “reaching out” to GJ, HB, and other SM enemies (EB says she was not contacted) was for information on “how other people had gotten her out.” Ridiculous. Laughable. The information gathering was for the purpose of compiling the file, and the purpose of the file was, according to a text from MB to MHG, to get LK “banned for life”.

It’s up to USEF to determine the repercussions of that file submission. It’s not up to LK, JK, or anyone else. If I were MHG, I would regret having sent it.

Nothing in your manifesto speaks as to why LK planned to ruin MHGs chances of making a team.

Maybe the only reason was that MHG recognized LK for what she is.

As for the rest it seems absurd that LKs over the top behavior here should be excused away. So what if people posted negative things while LK was in a coma! They were posting about prior bad behaviors of LK and had LK not done them they would not be posted about.

Being shot doesn’t negate prior bad behavior. In fact there’s actually a word for it: Karma.

And it’s clear LK hasn’t learned a damn thing. To me, she is a danger to society.

Re first bolded: My “manifesto” does not speak to “why LK planned to ruin MHGs chances of making a team” because I don’t think she had any such plans.

Re second bolded: If you’re saying that LK disliked/hated MHG because she felt disliked/disrespected/hated by MHG, I agree. It’s almost impossible to admire, like, or respect someone who obviously hates you and feels nothing but contempt for you.

[MHM]

Nope.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

My mistake, USEF; regardless, why would you have regrets pertaining to this matter?

Per MHG’s testimony in court and the receipt that was shown, you were correct in saying Safe Sport. Whether or not she also sent anything to USEF was not part of the testimony (that I can find).

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If I were the one who sent in the file, attempting to get someone banned for life by USEF, I would be regretting it. Perhaps MHG has no regrets on her role in submitting the file.

My mistake, USEF; regardless, why would you have regrets pertaining to this matter?

I’ve explained that.

If you don’t want to read my previous posts, ask yourself: in the context of the whole tragedy, would you feel relaxed and confident that submitting the file to USEF had advanced or at least not harmed your career?

[MHM]

Nope.

[ekat]

Fun, and meaningless fact. In NC, you can’t even file for divorce until you have lived apart from your spouse for one year. So when people talk about people leaving their husband for someone else, or whatever, one should factor in that one year.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

And you used to have to keep your married last name if you had children during the marriage. Not sure if that’s changed

[ekat]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

And you used to have to keep your married last name if you had children during the marriage. Not sure if that’s changed

I do think that has changed, but here’s another fun North Carolina law. NC is one of six states in the nation where, if your spouse cheats on you, you can sue that 3rd party for alienation of affection.

[FitzE]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would be regretting it.

Says the person with no regrets about their massive lying and exposure up thread. Too cowardly and fundamentally dishonest to even acknowledge it, let alone regret it.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you don’t want to read my previous posts, ask yourself: in the context of the whole tragedy, would you feel relaxed and confident that submitting the file to USEF had advanced or at least not harmed your career?

I would have no qualms sending documentation of ongoing harassment.

You know, I can’t help but laugh. It’s as if you assume there is no way MHG could have documented evidence of LK’s harassment. I’ll admit, 750 is an unusual number, but maybe not everyone shares the same dishonest way of thinking and the evidence, 750 pages worth, exists. I haven’t read the documents, sure, but I’ve heard or read plenty of other evidence that clearly portrays LK’s predatory behavior including verbal and psychological harassment. I can also tell you that she has been charged with simple assault, so add that to the list as well.

Nope, wouldn’t regret it at all.

Edit: changed 760 to 750

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

Per MHG’s testimony in court and the receipt that was shown, you were correct in saying Safe Sport. Whether or not she also sent anything to USEF was not part of the testimony (that I can find).

Thank you very much, ekat. I was wondering where I was getting my wires crossed.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

Thank you very much, ekat. I was wondering where I was getting my wires crossed.

You’re welcome. MHG’s time on the witness stand is very enlightening if people really want to make leaps of judgment about her. For example, it’s been mentioned before how she talked about LK’s talent as a rider, she just didn’t any to put in the work. And that she was trying to work with her and help her, until she just couldn’t any more. Her testimony kind of goes against the narrative we’re getting to read.

MHG on the stand is what sucked me into the vortex of this trial.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

It was 756 pages to be exact see pic post #6240 approx

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@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you don’t want to read my previous posts, ask yourself: in the context of the whole tragedy, would you feel relaxed and confident that submitting the file to USEF had advanced or at least not harmed your career?

I would have no qualms sending documentation of ongoing harassment.

You know, I can’t help but laugh. It’s as if you assume there is no way MHG could have documented evidence of LK’s harassment. I’ll admit, 750 is an unusual number, but maybe not everyone shares the same dishonest way of thinking and the evidence, 750 pages worth, exists. I haven’t read the documents, sure, but I’ve heard or read plenty of other evidence that clearly portrays LK’s predatory behavior including verbal and psychological harassment. I can also tell you that she has been charged with simple assault, so add that to the list as well.

Nope, wouldn’t regret it at all.

Edit: changed 760 to 750

Re bolded. Like you, I would not have regrets about sending in documentation of current, ongoing harassment directed at me or my immediate barn mates at HH.

My interpretation of the reports that MB and MHG actively reached out to LKs SM enemies like HB and GJ is that part of the 750 pages was documentation of the SM stuff not directly related to MHG and MB. That’s what I think may not look good.

[MHM]

@ekat

For example, it’s been mentioned before how she talked about LK’s talent as a rider, she just didn’t any to put in the work.

I don’t think MHG even said that, exactly.

I think she phrased it more along the lines that anyone could become a good rider if they put in the work. I don’t believe she even made a direct line to LK from that statement.

I mean, she did not really need to spell it out for anyone who had heard about the history. But I don’t think she actually made a specific comment about LK on the subject. High road all the way.

Caveat, I have not watched that piece of testimony for quite a while. But that’s my recollection.

[MHM]

Nope.

[FitzE]

The face to come back here posting away and acting like nothing happened! No shame at all.

I think your Nope campaign is spot on.