Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CanteringCarrot

@Seeker1

I believe it was MGH that said, “LET RUTH DO IT!”

You “believe it was” or “it was” which one?

Plus, let Ruth do what?

The thing is, none of us here have heard a single thing on these recordings. We don’t know if anything is being taken out of context or inaccurately relayed. That’s not personal, it’s just a fact. So this is why people are skeptical…plus the reputation LK has established for herself when it comes to telling lies. So no one is going to just automatically believe. I think that’s understandable.

Again, I think Seeker1 is just mirroring the type of thing said on these threads. She says something salacious and damning, but adds “I believe” and just lets it float out there to taunt and do its damage.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@Seeker1

I believe it was MGH that said, “LET RUTH DO IT!”

You “believe it was” or “it was” which one?

Plus, let Ruth do what?

The thing is, none of us here have heard a single thing on these recordings. We don’t know if anything is being taken out of context or inaccurately relayed. That’s not personal, it’s just a fact. So this is why people are skeptical…plus the reputation LK has established for herself when it comes to telling lies. So no one is going to just automatically believe. I think that’s understandable.

Again, I think Seeker1 is just mirroring the type of thing said on these threads. She says something salacious and damning, but adds “I believe” and just lets it float out there to taunt and do its damage.

I think it’s time you and she turn the paige.

[BigMama1]

You can believe whatever you want.

[Einhorn]

I’m Not sure about Ann Klein, but being quarantined doesn’t mean he’s not meeting with staff and doctors and moving forward with treatment.
I don’t think it’s solitary confinement, as that likely would trigger behaviors and isn’t good for anyone unstable.

[cheval_convert]

And as I recall from some of her facebook posts, she had friends offering to move her as quickly as possible, but she chose not to take advantage of all of the offers. Again, if you fear for your life, you get the he!! out of Dodge.

[DownYonder]

@Einhorn

I’m Not sure about Ann Klein, but being quarantined doesn’t mean he’s not meeting with staff and doctors and moving forward with treatment.
I don’t think it’s solitary confinement, as that likely would trigger behaviors and isn’t good for anyone unstable.

I so hope you are right!

[BrownDerby]

Since you brought it up, and this is a Dressage board, backpedalling on your road bike is almost the exact same feeling as sitting the trot. To really engage your core, sit up and ride without handlebars.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CanteringCarrot

I mean, that’s usually why people file a civil suit; to get money. Which isn’t unreasonable at all in many cases.

I’m just not sure what kind of damages or losses can be claimed, exactly, in this case. I can think of a few (not saying whether or not I agree with the claims), but I’m not in the US and only have a vague idea how it goes re civil suits and damages. I believe you can do the whole “loss of income” thing but I don’t know what happens if you have no income from a job? Or if you can’t prove that this financially changed anything for you. I’m not sure how/if they put price tags on emotional trauma and whatnot.

In the US, you can sue for pain and suffering. Medical bills. Rehab bills. Loss of enjoyment because her riding is made more difficult by the scar tissue. She has plenty of basis to sue even without suing for loss of income.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

I mean, that’s usually why people file a civil suit; to get money. Which isn’t unreasonable at all in many cases.

I’m just not sure what kind of damages or losses can be claimed, exactly, in this case. I can think of a few (not saying whether or not I agree with the claims), but I’m not in the US and only have a vague idea how it goes re civil suits and damages. I believe you can do the whole “loss of income” thing but I don’t know what happens if you have no income from a job? Or if you can’t prove that this financially changed anything for you. I’m not sure how/if they put price tags on emotional trauma and whatnot.

In the US, you can sue for pain and suffering. Medical bills. Rehab bills. Loss of enjoyment because her riding is made more difficult by the scar tissue. She has plenty of basis to sue even without suing for loss of income.

You may not get much depending on the state. Plus her actions in causing the event will come into play. And being the previous jury found he was driven to insanity that doesn’t bode well.

His counterclaim however, with the posts and barefoot veiled ninja and admitting to destroy him will lead to compensation for the damage to his income and reputation.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@CanteringCarrot

I don’t understand how there was such a concerning conspiracy going on, but no move was made? Where there’s a will (and money), there’s a way.

The real conspiracy was the grifters’ plan to force MB to offer them $$$ to leave (remember the insurance payment that LK harped on?)

And then the conspiracy morphed into a plan to extort $$$ from SGF for “damages” suffered by LK.

It has always been about money, and it was fueled by LK’s jealousy and rage toward MHG for becoming “the apple of MB’s eye” and for recognizing LK and RG as leeches and low-life drug addicts, and not people she wanted around her children.

Bolding mine.

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

I find it so interesting that a jury found that Michael shot and tried to kill someone and all of you send money to an attempted murderer.

@Seeker1

Because I saw him (Rob) at the hospital the day it happened with his severely broken hand… I hadto make him go down to the emergency room to have it seen while we were all waiting to see if Lauren would live. I saw his frightened face… I heard his story when it happened. I had already transcribed the tapes… When people at the barn were saying that they “needed to get rid of Lauren” that they would get Ruth to do it… and that she was bringing a gun…AND THEN ALL OF THAT HAPPENED IN RL… What in the world should I think? What would you think?

@Seeker1

So sorry to reply to myself Eggies… but instead of Ruth shooting her… she only brought the gun. then Michael went to the room when DYFS (As mentioned by Simring that Michael admitted to him) was there and got it out of the locked safe and ran down there and shot Lauren and tried to shoot Rob as evidenced by the bullet hole next to where he was standing.

@Seeker1

ok don’t cry yall. Back to exercise!

@Seeker1

I, like Ruth, didn’t believe they would do anything like that. I thought they were just blowing off steam. Also I was in Europe on a ship and didn’t have the ability to do anything whatsoever.

@Seeker1

you can do whatever… but many of you have asked to please tie the pieces together. There you have it. If you were me, what would you think?

@Seeker1

What are you lying about now Sparky?

@Angela_Freda

Weird, that doesn’t jive with RGs story.

Silly Angela, that is not weird. Their stories not jiving is pretty typical for this klan.

@Seeker1

It was a long time ago.

@Seeker1

we got back a couple days before

@Seeker1

You guys GO FUND AN ATTEMPTED MURDERER ALL YOU WANT

@BigMama1

What exactly was it the wanted Ruth to do? Kick them out? Evict them? Only the most overactive imagination could turn a couple of illegally recorded phrases into a convoluted murder plot.

They are the same people who are still saying that the letter sent from jail proves that MB set out to kill them that day. Clearly, to them everything is someone admitting to a murder plot.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Thanks for the reminder to help right the wrongs perpetrated by your family. Donations made !

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@Seeker1

Because I saw him (Rob) at the hospital the day it happened with his severely broken hand… I hadto make him go down to the emergency room to have it seen while we were all waiting to see if Lauren would live. I saw his frightened face… I heard his story when it happened. I had already transcribed the tapes… When people at the barn were saying that they “needed to get rid of Lauren” that they would get Ruth to do it… and that she was bringing a gun…AND THEN ALL OF THAT HAPPENED IN RL… What in the world should I think? What would you think?

Personally? I would think after enduring their torture and harassment, Michael, Mary and everyone else were indeed anxious to get rid of them - ie get them off the farm and out of their lives.

What exactly was it the wanted Ruth to do? Kick them out? Evict them? Only the most overactive imagination could turn a couple of illegally recorded phrases into a convoluted murder plot.

As to needing Ruth to come all the way from NC just so they could have a gun, that’s pretty absurd. You live in the USA. They could walk into Walmart and buy a gun if they wanted one. I’m guessing they could each make a phone call to a friend and have their hands on a gun within 10 minutes. You really believe they wanted an elderly woman to be their hit man?

And of course Rob was terrified. He’d just watched their entire plan to ruin Michael backfire in the most tragic way. He learned firsthand that when you play with fire long enough, eventually you are going to get burned. He was in the midst of a terrifying situation and watched somebody nearly die. That doesn’t change the fact the situation was largely of his and Lauren’s own making though, does it?

Why not just release the tapes so everyone can hear what’s in them if they are so damning? Why didn’t the prosecution enter them into evidence at trial, if they provided proof of pre-meditation and intent?

None of that version of events makes any sense. Surely you can se why anyone would struggle to believe it on its face, let alone with the added weight of Lauren and Ron’s history of lying.

Bolding mine.

You know the answer to that. Premeditation is not required for attempted murder. Intent is required, but firing a gun at someone in a way that is likely to cause death (two shots to the chest), is enough to establish intent if the shooter is sane.

The prosecutor established his case. The tapes would not have established it “more”.

The defense also established its affirmative case that the intent that would have been established had MB been sane was not there due to the insanity finding.

If the prosecution had not established its case, MB round have received NG on all four counts, and he would be at his Florida facility now.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@Seeker1

I believe it was MGH that said, “LET RUTH DO IT!”

You “believe it was” or “it was” which one?

Plus, let Ruth do what?

The thing is, none of us here have heard a single thing on these recordings. We don’t know if anything is being taken out of context or inaccurately relayed. That’s not personal, it’s just a fact. So this is why people are skeptical…plus the reputation LK has established for herself when it comes to telling lies. So no one is going to just automatically believe. I think that’s understandable.

Again, I think Seeker1 is just mirroring the type of thing said on these threads. She says something salacious and damning, but adds “I believe” and just lets it float out there to taunt and do its damage.

I think it’s time you and she turn the paige.

I thought you said that you looked in the mirror and liked what you saw. Then why the objection to the word “mirror”?

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

You guys GO FUND AN ATTEMPTED MURDERER ALL YOU WANT

I would rather support someone found NG who is trying to put their life back together so he can once again support himself than spend my whole life supporting an addict who goes around terrorizing innocent people and doing nothing other than that.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@Seeker1

I believe it was MGH that said, “LET RUTH DO IT!”

You “believe it was” or “it was” which one?

Plus, let Ruth do what?

The thing is, none of us here have heard a single thing on these recordings. We don’t know if anything is being taken out of context or inaccurately relayed. That’s not personal, it’s just a fact. So this is why people are skeptical…plus the reputation LK has established for herself when it comes to telling lies. So no one is going to just automatically believe. I think that’s understandable.

Again, I think Seeker1 is just mirroring the type of thing said on these threads. She says something salacious and damning, but adds “I believe” and just lets it float out there to taunt and do its damage.

I think it’s time you and she turn the paige.

I thought you said that you looked in the mirror and liked what you saw. Then why the objection to the word “mirror”?

I don’t object to the word mirror at all. Weird you would think that.

[CanteringCarrot]

@BrownDerby

Since you brought it up, and this is a Dressage board, backpedalling on your road bike is almost the exact same feeling as sitting the trot. To really engage your core, sit up and ride without handlebars.

Not sure I see it…so I will have to try it based off of backpedaling on a spin bike I can think of it maybe engaging some core and pelvic floor muscles not sure if it’s to the extent of riding a big moving extended trot, but may very well use similar muscles in similar ways to sitting a trot. I’m intrigued.

[Seeker1]

Innocent? A man who has his girlfriend and wife living in the same place? A man who beats his chest and acts insane. A man who was suicidal and rolled up on a ball? This man made his own problems. My daughter stepped into a hornets nest!

[BrownDerby]

Won’t work on a sedentary bike. Balance is strength. Besides they have those big fat seats.

[Seeker1]

brown derby… do not insult fat seats! that is seat fat shaming.