Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@ekat

Interestingly, Court TV experts are talking about “the campaign LK and RG launched against him”. And, how much the criminal case hurts their civil case right now. Their experts seem to think LK’s civil claim is a ship with a big ole hole in it right now.

Does anyone know where to find that video clip?

Found it! Lady Judge starts at 6:51.

Maybe someone can save it as I don’t know how to. This is the former prosecutor and Judge who states VERY PLAINLY THAT LK AND RG TERRORIZED MB

Verdict is IN! Former Olympian Michael Barisone Learns his Fate

[enjoytheride]

You have either never dealt with someone in this type of situation or you have a personal relationship with the squatters. This whole idea that it’s MB’s fault because he wasn’t “nice enough” while people were attempting to destroy his life is disgusting.

When we were renting a property to a relative they did not make rent payments for almost an entire year. We asked for partial payments, we asked that they work it off, we asked all sorts of nice ways. When we sent them an eviction notice they were ENRAGED that we did not understand the “situation” they were in. We literally sold the house with them living in it. They were still living in it 24 hours before close because they said the new owners wouldn’t have the keys until at least noon so they had until then to move.

[CindyB59]

I only used them as an example of how a civil lawsuit can have vastly different results than a criminal case. More information may be brought to light, that is barred in a criminal case.

[ekat]

You rule!

[3PonyFarm]

I am curious about the attorney who claimed that the jurors were played and were insane or words to that effect. Wouldn’t this attorney depend on jurors for any trials he would be a part of for clients? I would think that statement would be a huge turnoff for any jurors called to service for one of his cases.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

What I remember is that RG said that in doing work, he didn’t want to get “to far ahead” in the balance owed, given that the board being offset was only $2,500 a month.

I’m not saying RG could get money out of SGF if it goes to trial.

I’ve been saying all along that I’m predicting SGF will attempt to settle rather than litigate. If you’re an attorney trying to get the plaintiff to accept a given settlement, don’t you try to ingratiate yourself with the plaintiff that you’re negotiating with? Say you’re so sorry they were injured on your property and you’re delighted that they’re competing again? Even though it’s not in the lawsuit, say you wanted to make sure SGF had paid renovation bills that MB refused to pay?

I’m just saying that if I were a lawyer for SGF, I’d tidy up any disputed renovation bills in the hopes that that made it easier to settle the injury claim. If the renovation amount was on the order of $10,000, that peanuts compared to their exposure on the gunshot injury.

But see, you still keep on talking about “renovation bills.”

Renovation bills for what?

Maybe IM can pop in and clarify what specific work RG actually did, that he is still uncompensated for.

I am not seeing it. At all.

IM stated that SGF acknowledged that they owed RG for renovations. He didn’t say the amount. He didn’t say whether or not they felt extorted.

I think both IM and the lawyers for SGF are in a better position to know the details than anyone on this thread.

I’m saying that ii is very possible IM lied.

Still waiting for that big reveal, for instance.

[ekat]

Man that’s not even the one I saw! It was two gentlemen that started talking about the lawyer that bagged on the jury and talked about how badly that would reflect on the civil suit, then went on to talk about LK and RG as witnesses and being asked again about their “campaign.”

[ekat]

Like, maybe even LK’s civil suit?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CindyB59

I only used them as an example of how a civil lawsuit can have vastly different results than a criminal case. More information may be brought to light, that is barred in a criminal case.

True - more information can be brought to light.

But that includes LOTS of information about the plaintiff.

In the criminal case, the plaintiff was a witness, and information related to her background was excluded.

Furthermore, MB was hamstrung during the criminal case by not being able to get in information that might have allowed him to argue a self defense scenario could possibly have occurred that day.

His lawyers might be able to get that info in during a civil proceeding.

So honestly… this scenario is just sooooo different than the OJ cases (criminal and civil).

The one thing they do have in common is that both OJ and MB had/have residences in Florida. And LK will not be able to take that from him.

[MHM]

@ekat

Man that’s not even the one I saw! It was two gentlemen that started talking about the lawyer that bagged on the jury and talked about how badly that would reflect on the civil suit, then went on to talk about LK and RG as witnesses and being asked again about their “campaign.”

I would be very interested to see that one if anyone comes across it.

[punchy]

@smoofox

@MHM

@Sugarfoot1

what an excellent jury, I worked for 2 criminal lawyers in Texas for 22 years, and I never once had an insanity case. Courts ditched that option after John Hinkley Jr was granted insanity and sent to a fancy private mental hospital instead of prison for the rest of his life.

Coincidentally, in the Court TV clip posted upthread a bit, one of the legal talking heads was saying the last time she remembered a successful insanity defense was the John Hinckley case. And I think the other talking head before her did not even remember a single one.

I think that speaks to the impact that LK and RG made on the jury… and not in their favor.

Also, MB had a lot of great people around him all the time who each witnessed his demise and could testify to it…they really were all so great on the stand, each spoke truth without any artifice. The sum of them was really compelling, contemporaneous evidence to support what the experts said. And, of course, Mr. B is a kick ass lawyer who could bring it all together.

[Impractical_Horsewoman]

Most popular topics in common discipline threads:

Hunter/Jumper: “Woo, my barn owner just raised my board $50.”
Eventers: “I need advice about reflocking a saddle, what to do?”
Dressage: ATTEMPTED MURDER TRIAL

Let it never be said again we ride the boring discipline!

(Sorry, every time I return to COTH and see this infinitely expanding thread, I can’t help a little morbid chuckle, as sad and serious the events actually are.)

[ekat]

That’s the other thing I’ve brought up. In a criminal case, LK was the “victim” and MB a was the defendant. He’s charged with a crime. He either did it, didn’t do it, or, in this case is NGRI.

In a civil case - Plaintiff says you owed me a duty of (whatever) and you breached it and you’re liable and you need to make me whole.

Defendant says, I’m not liable, I don’t need to make you whole, here’s why, AND, in NJ, they have contributory and comparative negligence. So defendant gets to outline for the jury ALL the ways the plaintiff’s actions contributed to their loss, which shrinks defendant’s liability. I only briefly read the statutes and I know my state’s laws better, but it appears, and I could be wrong, that once you get to a point that plaintiff contributed 60% to the cause of their loss, you’re looking at a wash for the settlement. Tip the scale a little more, and plaintiff owes defendant,

That’s going to be risky.

[MHM]

@punchy

Also, MB had a lot of great people around him all the time who each witnessed his demise and could testify to it…they really were all so great on the stand, each spoke truth without any artifice. The sum of them was really compelling, contemporaneous evidence to support what the experts said. And, of course, Mr. B is a kick ass lawyer who could bring it all together.

It probably is not possible to really single out one defense witness who put the whole case over the top. But I would say the hay guy was certainly a strong contender.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

IM stated that SGF acknowledged that they owed RG for renovations. He didn’t say the amount. He didn’t say whether or not they felt extorted.

I think both IM and the lawyers for SGF are in a better position to know the details than anyone on this thread.

Why do you think IM’s claims are credible?

[ekat]

I’ll keep looking.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@enjoytheride

You have either never dealt with someone in this type of situation or you have a personal relationship with the squatters. This whole idea that it’s MB’s fault because he wasn’t “nice enough” while people were attempting to destroy his life is disgusting.

When we were renting a property to a relative they did not make rent payments for almost an entire year. We asked for partial payments, we asked that they work it off, we asked all sorts of nice ways. When we sent them an eviction notice they were ENRAGED that we did not understand the “situation” they were in. We literally sold the house with them living in it. They were still living in it 24 hours before close because they said the new owners wouldn’t have the keys until at least noon so they had until then to move.

They weren’t squatters by the legal definition.

I am not related in any way to any of the principals.

I fault MB for declining to attempt to evict her at the point he wanted her gone, and declining to get a restraining order. Instead both sides continued to escalate. Either side could have chosen to de-escalate but neither did.

[MHM]

Thanks!

[KurPlexed]

I’m, again, about 300 posts behind but thank you Virginia Horse Mom (I hope I have the name right) you’re posts are thoughtful and beautifully express how so many of us feel.

Now, I can’t for the life of me understand certain posters here who continue to go back and forth and forth and back over and over and over again. Jesus!! We (g) get it!!! We know where you stand. Why do you feel the need to be always right? Can’t you be satisfied stating your opinions and moving on? I just don’t get it. Move on to another thread if you’re constantly just going to nit pick everything piece by piece. You’re not going to change minds and frankly it’s just annoying.

… we get it, we understand but pls move on. I don’t feel like figuring out how to ignore.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

That’s the other thing I’ve brought up. In a criminal case, LK was the “victim” and MB a was the defendant. He’s charged with a crime. He either did it, didn’t do it, or, in this case is NGRI.

In a civil case - Plaintiff says you owed me a duty of (whatever) and you breached it and you’re liable and you need to make me whole.

Defendant says, I’m not liable, I don’t need to make you whole, here’s why, AND, in NJ, they have contributory and comparative negligence. So defendant gets to outline for the jury ALL the ways the plaintiff’s actions contributed to their loss, which shrinks defendant’s liability. I only briefly read the statutes and I know my state’s laws better, but it appears, and I could be wrong, that once you get to a point that plaintiff contributed 60% to the cause of their loss, you’re looking at a wash for the settlement. Tip the scale a little more, and plaintiff owes defendant,

That’s going to be risky.

Awesome post, and really well stated.

Frankly… JK is an attorney in the state of N.J. I gotta believe he knows N.J. law. Obviously… he knows his daughter.

So why continue on with the civil suit at this point? Uhhhh… it’s a scorched earth strategy. They are going to try and bury MB in legal process and make him pay and pay and pay for legal representation as a defendant in this complaint, until he runs out of money. And then they will “agree” to settle.

It’s the Kanareks way of “winning” at this point.

I pray that MB has enough to continue fighting his legal fight, to see the next phase through. Because… I kinda sorta suspect his counterclaims will hold significant weight, and if he can survive long enough with the legal process, a jury might side with him. Again. And then he has a shot of getting back some of his attorney’s fees. Which are going to be huge.