Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Knights_Mom]

@downen

PSA… I just located IM

Awesome sauce!

[FitzE]

@Ambitious_Kate

Out of interest, did Fitz ever have interactions with YD?

I surely did. It was a similar schtick: sealion about something and like a dog with a bone not let it die; make grand pronouncements with no back up except “I believe [poster]” with no further support; lots of language stuff; a crap tonne of flagging after first claiming to never flag; and loads and loads of personal attacks while fronting that they were civil and reasonable, etc.; and big ol’ victimhood cards being played constantly.

I’d respond and try to have dialogue at times, I’d ignore at times, but once in a while YD’s ad hominem routine would get old and I’d have no patience that day for trifling cows.

[FitzE]

I believe it was CH who dragged you in and another poster. Both you and that other poster pretty unequivocally told her, yeah, no, leave me out of your vendetta against that poster.

[FitzE]

I don’t know. That’s US criminal law stuff. I hope someone in the know can answer. If Kirby Kanarek has been on here for a good wee while now disparaging MHG, that’s not going to be terribly helpful with respect to the currently open complaint against LK, I would imagine.

Unforced errors seems to be the family sport.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

Significant lies about a person whose RL
identity is known are much worse than the taunts FitzE has lobbed at my screen name.

Yet, you have no issue with the “significant lies” posted about me and my daughter? Interesting.

What are you claiming is the lie? That your daughter solicited her as a client snd she declined?

I don’t know that it is a lie. But even if it is untrue, no, I would not find that a “significant” lie. Has it hurt your reputation?

She can’t hurt our reputations! All she can do is continue to lie about some fantasy my daughter and/or I ever “begged” or “invited” her to bring any horses to the facility we had at the time. She didn’t even have any rideable horses in NC at the time and could barely sit a trot on well trained horses (there are people on this forum who witnessed this experience on several occasions)! Yet, she continues on mentioning my daughter and me to total strangers! Who does that? Why were we the topic of discussions with MHG; the woman who brokered the purchase of her various horses; the owners of the business the hero boyfriend worked for; total strangers to her? Why do we occupy such space in her life? She and her FB “bestie” delight in making jokes, body shaming, ridiculing, lying about us both. Who does that? For years neither my daughter nor I said a word about this woman and let her behavior speak for itself. My daughter refuses to mention her to this day. I, on the otherhand, became passionate about telling the truth about this woman after the shooting and will continue as long as necessary.

Here’s the thing, my daughter and I have contributed to the advancement and organization of dressage in NC, Region 1, and Nationally for years. We work to make the sport better by getting involved in various ways. We are both well known and our excellent reputations in this state speak for themselves and LK only makes a complete a$$ out of herself when she goes on her tirades against us. She does the same thing when she rants about GJ, Haleybot, MHG, MB and anyone else she is envious of. WHO DOES THAT? Why do you defend and support such behavior? Who made you LK’s protector and challenger on these threads? Do you even know this woman?

[Ambitious_Kate]

I closed myself off to seeker1 and now currently shameless, and this thread is greater for it.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@FitzE

surely did. It was a similar schtick: sealion about something and like a dog with a bone not let it die; make grand pronouncements with no back up except “I believe [poster]” with no further support; lots of language stuff; a crap tonne of flagging after first claiming to never flag; and loads and loads of personal attacks while fronting that they were civil and reasonable, etc.; and big ol’ victimhood cards being played constantly.

I’d respond and try to have dialogue at times, I’d ignore at times, but once in a while YD’s ad hominem routine would get old and I’d have no patience that day for trifling cows

That’s what I thought. Random obsession with you from two separate (supposedly) posters. Coinky dink? I think not.

[FitzE]

@Ambitious_Kate

currently shameless

Are you single?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@FitzE

Are you single?

Why, yes. Yes I am.

[Seeker1]

Ambitious kate i can still respond whether or not u can see me.

[iberianfan]

I find it highly ironic that lies about you and your daughter are not significant. Yet CH , like YD, jumps on every word any one else says, screaming “That’s a lie!” .
When I said I thought she believed that LK did not start the CPS ball rolling, she jumped on me about lying about her post. I wasn’t quoting her post. But I guess that’s a significant “lie” in her book.

Whereas trash talking about Eggbutt is aok. Again, hypocrisy at its finest.

[MorganSercu]

I have a hypothesis that CH is using Erinmeri as a sort of meat shield. Erinmeri has shared certain struggles and they are not entirely dissimilar from some of MB’s. If CH “defends” Erinmeri from any sort of slight or strife (real or imagined), CH is absolved of any ugly comments or behavior directwd towards MB or members of the COTH forum.

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

I have a hypothesis that CH is using Erinmeri as a sort of meat shield. Erinmeri has shared certain struggles and they are not entirely dissimilar from some of MB’s. If CH “defends” Erinmeri from any sort of slight or strife (real or imagined), CH is absolved of any ugly comments or behavior directwd towards MB or members of the COTH forum.

The hoops some posters will jump through to offset their shenanigans are so tiresome.

[MorganSercu]

I bet Lauren is upset that the GFM for MB has raised any money at all. But more so to realize if one were started on her behalf it wouldn’t have nearly as many people donating or as much.

[Ghazzu]

@Knights_Mom

Doesn’t mean squat unless it’s transcribed by a certified transcriber who affirms in a sworn affidavit the transcriptions accuracy.

I expect it would also be useful to have some independent verification of the identity of the people who are speaking on said recording as well.

[eggbutt]

The gang’s obsession with the illegal recordings that weren’t introduced during the trial, but keep coming up again and again, almost Iike a threat, make me wonder if recordings have been used to the Kanarek’s financial benefit in the past? What is that called? Oh yeah, blackmail? Are they hoping MHG will ask USEF to drop their investigation or they “will tell”? I think that ship has sailed or the horse has left the stable or whatever.

[eggbutt]

Word to the wise - never, ever assume you know who is lurking and reading your social media comments.

[smoofox]

@FitzE

@Ambitious_Kate

Out of interest, did Fitz ever have interactions with YD?

I surely did. It was a similar schtick: sealion about something and like a dog with a bone not let it die; make grand pronouncements with no back up except “I believe [poster]” with no further support; lots of language stuff; a crap tonne of flagging after first claiming to never flag; and loads and loads of personal attacks while fronting that they were civil and reasonable, etc.; and big ol’ victimhood cards being played constantly.

I’d respond and try to have dialogue at times, I’d ignore at times, but once in a while YD’s ad hominem routine would get old and I’d have no patience that day for trifling cows.

Been there, done that. The YD schtick… including, but not limited to, bragging about flagging, grand pronouncements, condescension, faux civility and a heaping helping dose of innocent eyelash-batting and playing the victim while presenting oneself as LK’s one great intellectual savior who must never be doubted or questioned… got old and predictable a very long time ago.

CH - when you first started posting on the forum - after YD was gone and yet having the great misfortune to sound exactly like her at times - you were looking for a lesson barn in the Chicago area. Did you ever find a place that was suitable? Maybe you are no longer currently horseless?

[eggbutt]

Is CH’s shift over? Who’s turn is it tonight?

Coincidence that the one with the most to lose has been absent from the threads all these weeks. Smart.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

The gang’s obsession with the illegal recordings that weren’t introduced during the trial, but keep coming up again and again, almost Iike a threat, make me wonder if recordings have been used to the Kanarek’s financial benefit in the past? What is that called? Oh yeah, blackmail? Are they hoping MHG will ask USEF to drop their investigation or they “will tell”? I think that ship has sailed or the horse has left the stable or whatever.

I think they use the term coercion or extortion more than blackmail.

And yes that is.

Coercion (/koʊˈɜːrʒən, -ʃən/) is compelling a party to act in an involuntary manner by use of threats, including force.[1][2][3] It involves a set of various types of forceful actions that violate the free will of an individual to induce a desired response, for example: a bully demanding lunch money from a student or the student gets beaten. These actions may include extortion, blackmail, torture, threats to induce favors, or even sexual assault. In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in a way contrary to their own interests. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced.

There is not a clear distinction between coercion and persuasion but various factors are used to distinguish the two such as intent, the willingness to cause harm, the result of the interaction and the choices available for the person being coerced or persuaded.[4]: 126