Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[skydy]

@Ambitious_Kate

@skydy

Apparently the boyfriend was smoking cocaine (crack) which would not counteract suboxone. I don’t remember if he was also questioned about using suboxone or if he had a heroin problem as well.

I don’t think you use suboxone if you don’t have a heroin problem.

He said heroine and cocaine, or heroine and crack. but he went off site to do it, he didn’t use on the property. That’s some disclipline, right there, to leave the property to use. I doubt he did. Where would he go, the woods? Sit in his car? I can’t believe he would do that rather than the “comfort” of MB’s house. I mean, all the respect they had for MB, and all. Yeah.

Why would you think someone into drugs wouldn’t use suboxone if it was available? Apparently suboxone isn’t used with heroin but could give some sort of high to a coke user.

Who knows. The whole thing is sad. I hope they are able to overcome their addictions, work on straightening themselves out, and just leave other people alone.

Heroine: A woman idealized for her courage etc…
Heroin: A highly addictive drug derived from morphine…

[LiberalSnowflake]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@Sdel

Kind of how like CH went right after FitzE from the beginning without obvious historical reason….

Wow, travel for a hellish 24+ hours and I’m hundreds of posts behind. But I wanted to thank @Sdel for noticing this. CH has been horrid to me from go, but does it in a weird manipulative way that is easy to weasel out of when called out. I also don’t flag and report like she does, so we are at a distinct disadvantage on the, what did RND call it - runny to mommy front. Her “I’m so afraid of other posters” cover is meant to obscure that she is relentlessly attacking and disparaging other posters here, but most of us are too mature to report her antics.

I solved it by first putting her on blast and then on ignore. Not worth my labour, my time, my intelligence, or even my eyeballs!

But I did not she had a bead on me from jump. I suspect dishonesty in background and motive as well as just the dishonesty in her posts.

I did not respond to Sdel’s post at the time, but wish to now.

When I started participating in the threads, I had been lurking for some time, and had noticed the styles of various posters, including FitzE. I do remember an exchange in which, as a lurker, I was shocked at the way FitzE went after another poster. I think it was ErinMeri, but apparently ErinMeri was not bothered.

In December, I was shocked at the viciousness with which FitzE attacked me, seemingly out of the blue. Lots of posts were deleted by the mods from that thread, so her most vicious posts directed at me may no longer be there. She also attacked Equkelly, who ended up being banned by the end of the exchange.

Any poster who occupies the niche “I object to incessant LK bashing”, and posts in a high volume, is “speculated” to be YD. Hut-Ho, Equkelly, and even CanteringCarrot (!) have been speculated to be YD, so I’ve anticipated being speculating about all along.

Based on what Sdel posted, I now realize that YD and FitzE had “history”, and that, while she didn’t openly say “you’re YD” at the time, that FitzEs “level of emotion” was explained by the likelihood that she thought she was continuing her feud with YD. Being blasted with full strength “hatred of YD” was not pleasant.

At this point, I have my own intense mutual animosity with FitzE. She posted as evidence of my “dishonesty”
that when asked for a reference to a post, I provided a post number but not a link. (?!). That’s dishonest? To be charitable, perhaps her definition of “dishonesty” is different from mine.

At this point, I think there has been speculation that I’m YD, who is apparently LKs sister, so maybe I’m speculated to be LKs sister; someone not a blood relative of LK but working for her legal team; and perhaps an alter for IM. (Why would IM be writing under an alter as well as under IM???)

I figure that I can either

1. Ignore all this speculation, or
2. Keep saying, I’m not A, B, C, etc

Being defensive just has the effect of validating the speculation, however wild, so I will go back to ignoring it.

I am no longer “afraid” of FitzE, but do not wish to spend effort to counter her insults. I’ll let the insults just lie there in all their glory, or flag them for the moderator. She is in a huge majority of highly partisan posters and will get lots of “likes” for her insults and mockery. I know my only choice it to put up with it or leave.

You were frightened of @FitzE? A stranger on a public forum who has no idea who you are, and you have no idea who she/he is? A stranger who’s stated several times she/he isn’t located in the USA? I’m sorry that you felt threatened by a total stranger who doesn’t know who you are or where you’re located, but maybe spending so much time on a public bulletin board continually re-hashing such an emotive topic isn’t the best place for you, it obviously causes you great distress and fear. It’s okay to step away, it’s sometimes healthy to step away, it seems best for you if you do step away.

[SinMiedo]

I think I phrased that in a wonky manner, lol. Suboxone has a higher affinity for opioid receptors, so it will boot whatever other opioid the person is using off the receptor. It also prevents other opioids from being very effective if they’re used during suboxone treatment, as well as containing naltrexone (aka Narcan) that’s formulated to release if the pill/film is altered in order to inject it.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Ambitious_Kate

@skydy

I don’t remember if he was also questioned about using suboxone or if he had a heroin problem as well.

I don’t think you use suboxone if you don’t have a heroin problem.

@skydy

Why would you think someone into drugs wouldn’t use suboxone if it was available? Apparently suboxone isn’t used with heroin but could give some sort of high to a coke user.

No, you mis understand what I thought I was saying. The comment was about using suboxone OR if he had a heroin addiction. My comment was, I don’t tink you would use suboxone UNLESS you had a heroin addiction. I don’t think you come upon suboxone and start using it, having never used heroin. I think it would have to be a heroin addict using suboxone. Just a wierd comment and not at all important, really.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@LiberalSnowflake

You were frightened of @FitzE? A stranger on a public forum who has no idea who you are, and you have no idea who she/he is? A stranger who’s stated several times she/he isn’t located in the USA? I’m sorry that you felt threatened by a total stranger who doesn’t know who you are or where you’re located, but maybe spending so much time on a public bulletin board continually re-hashing such an emotive topic isn’t the best place for you, it obviously causes you great distress and fear. It’s okay to step away, it’s sometimes healthy to step away, it seems best for you if you do step away.

LOL Is this for real?? Oh, my giddy aunt. This has got to be YD. Only she would create that kind of crazy out of absolute nothing.

[CanteringCarrot]

@LiberalSnowflake

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@Sdel

Kind of how like CH went right after FitzE from the beginning without obvious historical reason….

Wow, travel for a hellish 24+ hours and I’m hundreds of posts behind. But I wanted to thank @Sdel for noticing this. CH has been horrid to me from go, but does it in a weird manipulative way that is easy to weasel out of when called out. I also don’t flag and report like she does, so we are at a distinct disadvantage on the, what did RND call it - runny to mommy front. Her “I’m so afraid of other posters” cover is meant to obscure that she is relentlessly attacking and disparaging other posters here, but most of us are too mature to report her antics.

I solved it by first putting her on blast and then on ignore. Not worth my labour, my time, my intelligence, or even my eyeballs!

But I did not she had a bead on me from jump. I suspect dishonesty in background and motive as well as just the dishonesty in her posts.

I did not respond to Sdel’s post at the time, but wish to now.

When I started participating in the threads, I had been lurking for some time, and had noticed the styles of various posters, including FitzE. I do remember an exchange in which, as a lurker, I was shocked at the way FitzE went after another poster. I think it was ErinMeri, but apparently ErinMeri was not bothered.

In December, I was shocked at the viciousness with which FitzE attacked me, seemingly out of the blue. Lots of posts were deleted by the mods from that thread, so her most vicious posts directed at me may no longer be there. She also attacked Equkelly, who ended up being banned by the end of the exchange.

Any poster who occupies the niche “I object to incessant LK bashing”, and posts in a high volume, is “speculated” to be YD. Hut-Ho, Equkelly, and even CanteringCarrot (!) have been speculated to be YD, so I’ve anticipated being speculating about all along.

Based on what Sdel posted, I now realize that YD and FitzE had “history”, and that, while she didn’t openly say “you’re YD” at the time, that FitzEs “level of emotion” was explained by the likelihood that she thought she was continuing her feud with YD. Being blasted with full strength “hatred of YD” was not pleasant.

At this point, I have my own intense mutual animosity with FitzE. She posted as evidence of my “dishonesty”
that when asked for a reference to a post, I provided a post number but not a link. (?!). That’s dishonest? To be charitable, perhaps her definition of “dishonesty” is different from mine.

At this point, I think there has been speculation that I’m YD, who is apparently LKs sister, so maybe I’m speculated to be LKs sister; someone not a blood relative of LK but working for her legal team; and perhaps an alter for IM. (Why would IM be writing under an alter as well as under IM???)

I figure that I can either

1. Ignore all this speculation, or
2. Keep saying, I’m not A, B, C, etc

Being defensive just has the effect of validating the speculation, however wild, so I will go back to ignoring it.

I am no longer “afraid” of FitzE, but do not wish to spend effort to counter her insults. I’ll let the insults just lie there in all their glory, or flag them for the moderator. She is in a huge majority of highly partisan posters and will get lots of “likes” for her insults and mockery. I know my only choice it to put up with it or leave.

You were frightened of @FitzE? A stranger on a public forum who has no idea who you are, and you have no idea who she/he is? A stranger who’s stated several times she/he isn’t located in the USA? I’m sorry that you felt threatened by a total stranger who doesn’t know who you are or where you’re located, but maybe spending so much time on a public bulletin board continually re-hashing such an emotive topic isn’t the best place for you, it obviously causes you great distress and fear. It’s okay to step away, it’s sometimes healthy to step away, it seems best for you if you do step away.

Personally I found CH’s reaction to be dramatic and over the top. It was weird. Using words such as “shocked” “afraid” “vicious” etc. Then pulling other posters into the diatribe. I mean, how CH feels is how CH feels, but the whole thing has just been odd, to me.

I also wish when people say that other posters are spreading lies, they would say what those lies are and what the truth is. I’ve actually seen a few things that I didn’t believe at first (but didn’t say were lies), actually be proven to be true. I really haven’t seen much lie spreading post trial?

[trubandloki]

@CanteringCarrot

I also wish when people say that other posters are spreading lies, they would say what those lies are and what the truth is.

For some people in this thread having to do that would ruin their fun, because they do not truly have any lies to point out. They just like to puff and proclaim ‘everyone’ is telling lies to make them sound like a better person, a more knowledgeable person.

[FitzE]

Not at all! I’m sure my understanding was what was wonky! Very interesting and many thanks for the insight. I hadn’t thought about how the booting the other opioid off would lead to violent withdrawal symptoms. What an awful situation to try to control. I really feel for people actively battling this stuff, including yourself helping out. It must be so difficult for everyone. So impressed by people who get on top of it and make a success of their lives.

[Dapple_Grey]

Well said @eggbutt

[FitzE]

@CanteringCarrot

Personally I found CH’s reaction to be dramatic and over the top. It was weird. Using words such as “shocked” “afraid” “vicious” etc. Then pulling other posters into the diatribe. I mean, how CH feels is how CH feels, but the whole thing has just been odd, to me.

Thanks, I found it odd but I did recognise really building up trigger words to make a case and position oneself as a victim in order to demonise the other person, that person being myself in this case. They definitely overplayed it, though. I’m intrigued they continue to call me really highly emotional and strongly negative things like ‘vicious’, repeatedly with no repercussions at all, while simultaneously flagging me for things like ‘trifling’ and ‘lightweight’. It’s a weird game without any internal logic, but I guess that’s par for the course from what I’ve seen from that quarter.

[trubandloki]

Well, @FitzE, all those logical facts are vicious when logical facts ruin the fun of made up imaginary things.
So on that front I guess you are quite vicious, you evil logical and fact filled person that you are.

[FitzE]

It’s interesting, CH’s attack on me (that she is continuing and really not letting go of) is rising to the point of being actually, demonstrably vicious, not pretend “I wanna be the victim, please pity me” vicious. She keeps posting detailed, long-winded posts both tagging me (luckily I do NOT get those notifications) and not tagging me to just continue to have a go at me, relentlessly. But we don’t flag so she keeps on.

What a really strange obsession. I’m glad not to see the dishonest posts anymore except as quotes which I can scroll right by. I agree with @Ambitious_Kate’s brava performance above and opting out has, indeed, made this thread more interesting and on point for me!

[trubandloki]

I admit, I have one worry if SS/USEF ban LK (or the whole family) in some way.
I think LK really likes her horses/riding. It actually gives her something to do between naps that is not vengeful, not hate filled, not attempting to ruin the lives of others just for sport. Her having this outlet (riding) is a good thing for her and for those she is looking to torture next.

Hopefully, even if she is banned from participating in recognized shows she will continue to ride her lovely horses and enjoy the companionship of something that love back with no strings attached, something that does not know how she treats other humans so they can love her anyway.

Otherwise, the world is in trouble because LK will likely spend all her not napping time finding ways to make others miserable.

[Dapple_Grey]

[EmilyM]

I believe the mods confirmed that CH is not YD long ago. ETA: as you can tell by the fact I use my real name, I’m not savvy to the ways one can deceive the mods as to identity.

Has an amateur been banned via safesport yet? Do we know if a trainer who continues to board them and teach them would be aiding and abetting?

Do we know that SS is reviewing a case against LK or are we speculating?

Thanks.

[trubandloki]

@EmilyM

I believe the mods confirmed that CH is not YD long ago. ETA: as you can tell by the fact I use my real name, I’m not savvy to the ways one can deceive the mods as to identity.

This is true.
I think the point being made is that the moderation staff confirms ID by IP address and CH has posted that they moved, which gives them a new IP address.

It does not really matter is CH IS ACTUALLY YD. The big point is CH posts just like YD, complains about the same things (British English, not American English is a great example), twists things like YD, etc. So sure, two totally separate people who happen to post in these threads the same way is fine, but we can still laugh at how alike they are.

@EmilyM

Do we know that SS is reviewing a case against LK or are we speculating?

I am not reading it to be speculation.

[Ambitious_Kate]

I think its a fact that MHG submitted one and has a second submission to SS against LK . People here know about that, they can pro ably say it one more time for you.

[Omgitsme]

I mentioned above that my friend’s boyfriend is on it because of a fentanyl addiction. Basically any opioid.

[oldernewbie]

So forgive me if I haven’t been able to read the 3200+ posts since I last opened this thread, but did MB ever get moved to the mental health facility?

[SillyHorse]

Yes, a few days ago.