Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@EmilyM

I believe the mods confirmed that CH is not YD long ago. ETA: as you can tell by the fact I use my real name, I’m not savvy to the ways one can deceive the mods as to identity.

This is true.
I think the point being made is that the moderation staff confirms ID by IP address and CH has posted that they moved, which gives them a new IP address.

It does not really matter is CH IS ACTUALLY YD. The big point is CH posts just like YD, complains about the same things (British English, not American English is a great example), twists things like YD, etc. So sure, two totally separate people who happen to post in these threads the same way is fine, but we can still laugh at how alike they are.

@EmilyM

Do we know that SS is reviewing a case against LK or are we speculating?

I am not reading it to be speculation.

Huh?

Did the mods state publicly on the thread that they had checked my IP address? I’m glad they did, just a little surprised I missed it.

BTW, a banned poster would not need to move to a different physical address to get a new IP address.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

Illegal activity is almost always cause for an expedited eviction. But even here in my relatively landlord friendly jurisdiction, the Court wants a lot of proof. Like, an arrest on the property plus pictures of drugs on my property in their possession, etc.

This make me wonder, in landlord/tenant court situations, how much proof is needed?
Criminal court level or just a reasonable amount of proof that the average person could get without a search warrant?

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Huh?

Did the mods state publicly on the thread that they had checked my IP address? I’m glad they did, just a little surprised I missed it.

BTW, a banned poster would not need to move to a different physical address to get a new IP address.

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[Angela_Freda]

@BigMama1

I assume that drug use on the property could be grounds for eviction, so RG is trying to avoid any suggestion that eviction was justified

Yes, agreed, I just find it …head scratch that “I don’t use on the farm” is seen or stated as some kind of positive.
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[BrownDerby]

I just skim over certain posts, because all I hear is the Darth Vader March. When the Mob posts, I hear Verdi’s delightful Anvil Chorus.

The Anvil Chorus’s melody was morphed into The Gang’s All Here.
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(Kathleen Raine used The Gang’s All Here in her freestyle when the Volvo World Cup was held in LA, her home base, It was really fun except she had a nasty spook in a corner).

[Sdel]

@FitzE

It’s interesting, CH’s attack on me (that she is continuing and really not letting go of) is rising to the point of being actually, demonstrably vicious, not pretend “I wanna be the victim, please pity me” vicious. She keeps posting detailed, long-winded posts both tagging me (luckily I do NOT get those notifications) and not tagging me to just continue to have a go at me, relentlessly. But we don’t flag so she keeps on.

I’ve dealt with this before. Those two people were bi-polar, narcissistic sociopaths that just so happened to use histrionics about being “a victim” as their method of choice for primary manipulation of people. Only if that didn’t work did they move on to threats. This dynamic is certainly no mystery to me.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

This make me wonder, in landlord/tenant court situations, how much proof is needed?
Criminal court level or just a reasonable amount of proof that the average person could get without a search warrant?

It depends on what you’re trying to prove. Non-payment of rent is easy. The tenant has to prove they paid. You’re lease is up, time to go, all I need to prove is I gave proper notice.

It’s when you are trying to prove violations that get trickier but since I have a right to inspect my property (with notice) I don’t necessarily need a warrant. For example, tenant brings in dog on a no-pet lease. Pictures of dog, dog food, etc is enough. Things get grayer when it comes to stuff like noise violations or healthy/safety violations but pictures and witnesses (other tenants, maintenance people) go a long way.

Illegal activity though has a high standard because it’s the only violation the tenant doesn’t get an opportunity to “cure” (fix) or defend, and it’s quick. So I have to have police reports and be able to show it happened on my property.

[trubandloki]

Thanks for the explanation @ekat. Very interesting.

[ekat]

You’re welcome. NJ is a very tenant friendly state. Their rules, timelines, etc make things more complicated.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

@Ambitious_Kate

He said heroine and cocaine, or heroine and crack. but he went off site to do it, he didn’t use on the property. That’s some disclipline, right there, to leave the property to use. I doubt he did. Where would he go, the woods? Sit in his car? I can’t believe he would do that rather than the “comfort” of MB’s house. I mean, all the respect they had for MB, and all. Yeah.

I can’t remember from the testimony if the question was whether he used drugs “on the farm” or “on the property.” If the latter, given that he apparently regarded the apartment, the door leading to it, and the porch and patio outside that door as HIS and LK’s property, he could have meant he shot up, snorted, smoked, whatever in another part of the house or the front porch (on the other side of the house) or even in his truck. (And I am still gob-smacked that the police never searched his vehicles. It would have been so interesting to know what he had in them. Drugs / drug paraphernalia? Guns? Recording devices? Maybe even a SHOVEL - gasp.)

I do believe was about the FL farm, which they testified to renting a trailer offsite. Also, I do think there was a place where he started to say he’d never been “caught”……

[MHM]

@ekat

Illegal activity is almost always cause for an expedited eviction. But even here in my relatively landlord friendly jurisdiction, the Court wants a lot of proof. Like, an arrest on the property plus pictures of drugs on my property in their possession, etc.

That sounds like it could be a challenge to come up with that kind of proof. Especially with people who have had a lifetime of practice covering up such activities.

Such people might be inclined to have a dangerous dog on “their” property to prevent anyone looking around for evidence, for example.

[MHM]

@Sdel

I do believe was about the FL farm, which they testified to renting a trailer offsite. Also, I do think there was a place where he started to say he’d never been “caught”……

I thought that line of questioning specifically addressed his time at the farm in New Jersey. But unlike others who have more fortitude, I am not willing to look at his testimony again to verify it. Lol.

Edited to add: I did go back and watch just to satisfy my curiosity. They were definitely talking about the time in New Jersey, since Mr. B specified that it was when they were living in MB‘s house, which was not the case when they were in Florida.

[ekat]

@Sdel

I do believe was about the FL farm, which they testified to renting a trailer offsite. Also, I do think there was a place where he started to say he’d never been “caught”……

Mr B specifically asks him about using drugs while living with MB and he said, (while spinning) “I had a relapse during that time.” Mr B asked if it was crack, Objection ensued, but RG looked like he wanted to say yes.

[MHM]

@BrownDerby

I just skim over certain posts, because all I hear is the Darth Vader March.

I do the same thing, but I hear Charlie Brown’s teacher for the most part. Lol.

[cutter99]

@MHM

@ekat

Illegal activity is almost always cause for an expedited eviction. But even here in my relatively landlord friendly jurisdiction, the Court wants a lot of proof. Like, an arrest on the property plus pictures of drugs on my property in their possession, etc.

That sounds like it could be a challenge to come up with that kind of proof. Especially with people who have had a lifetime of practice covering up such activities.

Such people might be inclined to have a dangerous dog on “their” property to prevent anyone looking around for evidence, for example.

Possibly, but boxes of Suboxone in the garbage can indicted a problem. A big problem.

[ekat]

@MHM

That sounds like it could be a challenge to come up with that kind of proof. Especially with people who have had a lifetime of practice covering up such activities.

Such people might be inclined to have a dangerous dog on “their” property to prevent anyone looking around for evidence, for example.

It absolutely can be challenging, especially with people that know how to game the system. I’ve only ever done it when I have my tenant sitting in cuffs, and luckily my PD is willing to hand them the eviction notice so I can go file the next day.

[ekat]

@cutter99

Possibly, but boxes of Suboxone in the garbage can indicted a problem. A big problem.

Oh absolutely. But that wouldn’t get me my eviction since Suboxone is legal. It’s definitely an indication you have trouble though.

[TwiSedai]

I am FINALLY caught up! Between being at Not-Rolex and getting ready for my first ever recognized dressage show next week (!!!), I’ve been so busy.

But, I thought you guys would appreciate this random picture I got with a certain Olympic eventer. For funsies, I included one from back in 2015 as well.

[LiberalSnowflake]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@LiberalSnowflake

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@Sdel

Kind of how like CH went right after FitzE from the beginning without obvious historical reason….

Wow, travel for a hellish 24+ hours and I’m hundreds of posts behind. But I wanted to thank @Sdel for noticing this. CH has been horrid to me from go, but does it in a weird manipulative way that is easy to weasel out of when called out. I also don’t flag and report like she does, so we are at a distinct disadvantage on the, what did RND call it - runny to mommy front. Her “I’m so afraid of other posters” cover is meant to obscure that she is relentlessly attacking and disparaging other posters here, but most of us are too mature to report her antics.

I solved it by first putting her on blast and then on ignore. Not worth my labour, my time, my intelligence, or even my eyeballs!

But I did not she had a bead on me from jump. I suspect dishonesty in background and motive as well as just the dishonesty in her posts.

I did not respond to Sdel’s post at the time, but wish to now.

When I started participating in the threads, I had been lurking for some time, and had noticed the styles of various posters, including FitzE. I do remember an exchange in which, as a lurker, I was shocked at the way FitzE went after another poster. I think it was ErinMeri, but apparently ErinMeri was not bothered.

In December, I was shocked at the viciousness with which FitzE attacked me, seemingly out of the blue. Lots of posts were deleted by the mods from that thread, so her most vicious posts directed at me may no longer be there. She also attacked Equkelly, who ended up being banned by the end of the exchange.

Any poster who occupies the niche “I object to incessant LK bashing”, and posts in a high volume, is “speculated” to be YD. Hut-Ho, Equkelly, and even CanteringCarrot (!) have been speculated to be YD, so I’ve anticipated being speculating about all along.

Based on what Sdel posted, I now realize that YD and FitzE had “history”, and that, while she didn’t openly say “you’re YD” at the time, that FitzEs “level of emotion” was explained by the likelihood that she thought she was continuing her feud with YD. Being blasted with full strength “hatred of YD” was not pleasant.

At this point, I have my own intense mutual animosity with FitzE. She posted as evidence of my “dishonesty”
that when asked for a reference to a post, I provided a post number but not a link. (?!). That’s dishonest? To be charitable, perhaps her definition of “dishonesty” is different from mine.

At this point, I think there has been speculation that I’m YD, who is apparently LKs sister, so maybe I’m speculated to be LKs sister; someone not a blood relative of LK but working for her legal team; and perhaps an alter for IM. (Why would IM be writing under an alter as well as under IM???)

I figure that I can either

1. Ignore all this speculation, or
2. Keep saying, I’m not A, B, C, etc

Being defensive just has the effect of validating the speculation, however wild, so I will go back to ignoring it.

I am no longer “afraid” of FitzE, but do not wish to spend effort to counter her insults. I’ll let the insults just lie there in all their glory, or flag them for the moderator. She is in a huge majority of highly partisan posters and will get lots of “likes” for her insults and mockery. I know my only choice it to put up with it or leave.

You were frightened of @FitzE? A stranger on a public forum who has no idea who you are, and you have no idea who she/he is? A stranger who’s stated several times she/he isn’t located in the USA? I’m sorry that you felt threatened by a total stranger who doesn’t know who you are or where you’re located, but maybe spending so much time on a public bulletin board continually re-hashing such an emotive topic isn’t the best place for you, it obviously causes you great distress and fear. It’s okay to step away, it’s sometimes healthy to step away, it seems best for you if you do step away.

I did not feel physically threatened, obviously. I felt mocked and insulted “on SM”. Isn’t that what these threads are about?

You’re right that FitzE and other posters can only attack my screen name, so they are not attacking “the real me”, but it was still very unpleasant.

I did step away at the time, and will do so again in the future if necessary.

No, you said “I am no longer “afraid” of FitzE” which means you were previously afraid of FitzE, a stranger on a random forum. That says to me that the internet isn’t a safe space for you and you might be best to step away before any other random person scares you. This forum is obviously impacting your life on quite a deep level and that’s not healthy.

[Danvers]

He is such a cutie!!!