Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

#3. I don’t have a detailed understanding of what it would cost to run a facility like that, but I can easily imagine it would be a crushing expense, especially if a large number of the horses were owned by MB, MHG, or working students. Even more crushing since he was operating and paying rent on two facilities.

Even if she wasn’t paying any bills beyond her board and training, I can easily imagine that the financial situation made him reluctant to tell her to leave— in the months prior to August.

If she was covering some expenses in a stop gap way, that would just make it that much harder for him to lose her as client.

How do you make sense of the fact that MB did not end the client relationship with LK in spring 2019 when it was clear MHG wanted her gone?

$5k? For board, training, and use if that house was somehow a huge help financially?
Puhleez. Boarders paying full fare, plus not squatting, plus not driving everyone to distraction and making them miserable… Could easily be better sources of funding.

[roseymare]

Actually that is a screenshot from Google photos. When you swipe up on Google photos that screen appears. Hold on and I will post a screenshot from my phone.

[MorganSercu]

I’d say not as you were doing it with him and not in a fit of pique or anger.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t even understand how LKs father could “force” MB to keep LK as a client.

What is the history of JK “forcing” people into business relationships they don’t want?

You do not understand lots of things.

[Omgitsme]

I don’t know if anyone has already mentioned this, but “Illegal Mob” made a donation.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@RND

I wonder if 48 Hours is going to cover the grotesque victim shaming aspect that has gone on here on the COTH forums for more than two years? It would be quite the story - “lonely, elderly ladies find comfort and companionship in years long online abuse of shooting victim”.

At least the moderator finally admitted that they are only letting everyone continue to abuse the Kanareks here because they consider them to be famous, and that those of you who continue to bash them are protected while no one else is allowed to bash all of you in kind.

The issue of how 48 Hours covers the bashing of the gunshot victim on SM here on COTH is one of the few areas of suspense left for me.

Since Eggbutt is both the long time leader of the threads and has officially disclosed her identity, I wonder if she’ll be interviewed. Her 15 minutes of fame!

Do you think COTH is really that important and significant? It’s possible they might touch on reactions on various SM platforms, but I don’t know that they’ll feature COTH or Eggbutt for 15 minutes, much more important things than that! I’d be surprised if they really go into it, but I’m not so familiar with the show.

Your definition of “bashing” however, may vary from others. To what extent is a gunshot victim free from criticism? To what extent can their actions be discussed? To what extent are they not responsible?

So and so’s “15 minutes of fame” is an expression; I don’t think Eggbutt will actually get 15 minutes on the program. But I hope she is mentioned for her role in the SM part of the drama.

There has been stuff on other SM platforms during and immediately after the trial, but has there been anything like the constant 3 years on COTH (obviously this will continue through the airing of the program in the fall)?

Obviously LKs behavior on and off SM in the weeks before the shooting contributed to the tense, volatile setting that eventually exploded in violence. But there were a number of principal players in this tragedy, including MHG and RC. If MBs divorce caused serious financial stress, which seems really likely, that’s another huge stress.

I’m not even saying that MHG was “at fault” for wanting LK gone. There was strong mutual animosity between the two women, and it’s extremely understandable that she would have wanted the farmhouse in reasonable privacy for herself, MB, and her children.

I don’t know if it’s true that LK was floating loans for the utility bills or not. But I can totally believe that MB was between a rock and a hard place — the rock being MHG with her insistence that MB send LK off, possibly threatening to leave him if he didn’t, and the hard place being LK, who he may have needed desperately for the revenue she brought in.

I believed IM when he said that MB, rather than being decisive and making a tough choice, he wanted it both ways, telling MHG he would deal with LK, and actively keeping LK as a client while telling her he would deal with MHG. It was untenable.

But if MB was under extreme stress by being between a rock and a hard place, it doesn’t make sense to me to say the situation was untenable solely because of the “hard place” and not because of “the rock”.

MB was caught in a dilemma, and, as it turned out, couldn’t cope. He became delusional.

If he had not had psychological/mental problems prior to May/June 2019, he could have coped with a difficult but not really that unusual situation; just suck it up and tell LK to leave, well before August 2019 and accept the lost revenue, or suck it up and tell MHG he wasn’t willing to send LK packing.

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August, right?

I have no problem with LKs actions during the year and a half she trained with MB being discussed. She posted the dramatic FB posts about the king and queen. She called SS to report him for bullying. She called the BI to harass him.

But what has been discussed here for more than 2.5 years goes way beyond discussing LKs actual role in creating the situation that led to the shooting. That’s just bashing to tear someone down.

I see the tragedy as resulting from MB suffering a mental break after being caught in an untenable situation. The untenable situation was not created by LK in a vacuum. RC played a role, and was at fault, for bringing the gun. I’m not even saying MHG was “at fault” for her role, just that she played a role in pressuring MB to send LK off, when, apparently, he didn’t want to lose her as a client.

I think the bashing lies in the insistence that the entire tragedy somehow resulted purely from the actions of LK in a vacuum.

I honestly don’t think that 48 hours will present it that way. But that’s what I’m curious to see.

Again through all this mumbo jumbo is the premise that MHG wronged LK when in fact she dis NOTHING.

AS SUCH YOU MUST STATE WHAT MHG EVER DID TO LK. HOW DID MHG WRONG LK???

No. Nowhere in my post is the premise that “MHG wronged LK”.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

No. Nowhere in my post is the premise that “MHG wronged LK”.

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[Knights_Mom]

@Angela_Freda

@Knights_Mom

FYI
It is illegal to turn off utilities to a domicile and can result in fines accessed on a daily basis.

Not questioning you, but a question
The house had been, by the fire inspector, basically shut down. No one was, per order of the FI, supposed to be in there.
In that instance, would it still be illegal to shut off the utilities, if you believed it had been vacated?
What if it hadn’t been, but should have?

The occupants had been restored. There was no time period but for part of a day where they were removed from the premises.

Plus why would you cut off services? How do you do repairs with no electric especially in August?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

@CurrentlyHorseless

#3. I don’t have a detailed understanding of what it would cost to run a facility like that, but I can easily imagine it would be a crushing expense, especially if a large number of the horses were owned by MB, MHG, or working students. Even more crushing since he was operating and paying rent on two facilities.

Even if she wasn’t paying any bills beyond her board and training, I can easily imagine that the financial situation made him reluctant to tell her to leave— in the months prior to August.

If she was covering some expenses in a stop gap way, that would just make it that much harder for him to lose her as client.

How do you make sense of the fact that MB did not end the client relationship with LK in spring 2019 when it was clear MHG wanted her gone?

$5k? For board, training, and use if that house was somehow a huge help financially?
Puhleez. Boarders paying full fare, plus not squatting, plus not driving everyone to distraction and making them miserable… Could easily be better sources of funding.

I agree with you that $5,000 for two horses in board and training plus the apartment was a good deal and probably under market.

He could have said, before returning from Florida, or anytime during spring, with 30 days notice, I’m raising the fee to $8,000 or $10,000, or whatever number he wanted.

One of two things would have happened:
She pays more
She leaves.

So why didn’t he?

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

Bad behavior should never be encouraged from anyone on here or from anyone in my family. As I have said and repeat often… the behavior on here is HORRIBLE. How can you criticize Lauren for the acting badly when you are acting badly yourselves. As I have said many many times. Take the log from your own eye before trying to remove a splinter from someone else.

No one here has done anything even remotely close to YOUR DAUGHTER’S behavior here.

Talking about facts is not bashing.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

AS SUCH YOU MUST STATE WHAT MHG EVER DID TO LK. HOW DID MHG WRONG LK???

Told LK she couldn’t use a bridle that wasn’t hers? Look, more entitlement.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t even understand how LKs father could “force” MB to keep LK as a client.

What is the history of JK “forcing” people into business relationships they don’t want?

You do not understand lots of things.

True. Since I don’t understand how he could force MB to continue the trainer relationship, I conclude that he didn’t force MB to continue the relationship.

[MorganSercu]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August , right?

Once he had more background information on them he wanted nothing more than to see their rapidly receding backsides.

Once Lauren knew her & Rob’s drug abuse & legal issues (past or present) made her unwelcome she should have been making plans to go. Immediately.

Not turning up her nose at other perfectly acceptable barns.

I wonder if what made her balk was not being permitted to crash or live on-site of the new barn placement secured by her father (and MB’s attorney - right?).

Her entitlement is off the charts. Again, I doubt it can all be laid at the feet of her addiction.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t even understand how LKs father could “force” MB to keep LK as a client.

What is the history of JK “forcing” people into business relationships they don’t want?

You do not understand lots of things.

True. Since I don’t understand how he could force MB to continue the trainer relationship, I conclude that he didn’t force MB to continue the relationship.

And I conclude he did.

[MorganSercu]

But MB didn’t know the residents had been restored, I think.

If they were supposed to be gone, I would have cut off the water & electricity to underscore they were out and to stay out. Even if it was only for a few weeks. To get the message across.

Plus changing the locks and alarming every entry point.

But hindsight is easy.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t even understand how LKs father could “force” MB to keep LK as a client.

What is the history of JK “forcing” people into business relationships they don’t want?

You do not understand lots of things.

True. Since I don’t understand how he could force MB to continue the trainer relationship, I conclude that he didn’t force MB to continue the relationship.

Lawsuits are pretty forceful and most people are pretty adverse to getting involved with them. Threatening to sue someone and make them spend a lot of money/pay out a lot of money is a common tactic for getting one’s way: in this case being allowed to stay beyond their welcome.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@RND

I wonder if 48 Hours is going to cover the grotesque victim shaming aspect that has gone on here on the COTH forums for more than two years? It would be quite the story - “lonely, elderly ladies find comfort and companionship in years long online abuse of shooting victim”.

At least the moderator finally admitted that they are only letting everyone continue to abuse the Kanareks here because they consider them to be famous, and that those of you who continue to bash them are protected while no one else is allowed to bash all of you in kind.

The issue of how 48 Hours covers the bashing of the gunshot victim on SM here on COTH is one of the few areas of suspense left for me.

Since Eggbutt is both the long time leader of the threads and has officially disclosed her identity, I wonder if she’ll be interviewed. Her 15 minutes of fame!

Do you think COTH is really that important and significant? It’s possible they might touch on reactions on various SM platforms, but I don’t know that they’ll feature COTH or Eggbutt for 15 minutes, much more important things than that! I’d be surprised if they really go into it, but I’m not so familiar with the show.

Your definition of “bashing” however, may vary from others. To what extent is a gunshot victim free from criticism? To what extent can their actions be discussed? To what extent are they not responsible?

So and so’s “15 minutes of fame” is an expression; I don’t think Eggbutt will actually get 15 minutes on the program. But I hope she is mentioned for her role in the SM part of the drama.

There has been stuff on other SM platforms during and immediately after the trial, but has there been anything like the constant 3 years on COTH (obviously this will continue through the airing of the program in the fall)?

Obviously LKs behavior on and off SM in the weeks before the shooting contributed to the tense, volatile setting that eventually exploded in violence. But there were a number of principal players in this tragedy, including MHG and RC. If MBs divorce caused serious financial stress, which seems really likely, that’s another huge stress.

I’m not even saying that MHG was “at fault” for wanting LK gone. There was strong mutual animosity between the two women, and it’s extremely understandable that she would have wanted the farmhouse in reasonable privacy for herself, MB, and her children.

I don’t know if it’s true that LK was floating loans for the utility bills or not. But I can totally believe that MB was between a rock and a hard place — the rock being MHG with her insistence that MB send LK off, possibly threatening to leave him if he didn’t, and the hard place being LK, who he may have needed desperately for the revenue she brought in.

I believed IM when he said that MB, rather than being decisive and making a tough choice, he wanted it both ways, telling MHG he would deal with LK, and actively keeping LK as a client while telling her he would deal with MHG. It was untenable.

But if MB was under extreme stress by being between a rock and a hard place, it doesn’t make sense to me to say the situation was untenable solely because of the “hard place” and not because of “the rock”.

MB was caught in a dilemma, and, as it turned out, couldn’t cope. He became delusional.

If he had not had psychological/mental problems prior to May/June 2019, he could have coped with a difficult but not really that unusual situation; just suck it up and tell LK to leave, well before August 2019 and accept the lost revenue, or suck it up and tell MHG he wasn’t willing to send LK packing.

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August, right?

I have no problem with LKs actions during the year and a half she trained with MB being discussed. She posted the dramatic FB posts about the king and queen. She called SS to report him for bullying. She called the BI to harass him.

But what has been discussed here for more than 2.5 years goes way beyond discussing LKs actual role in creating the situation that led to the shooting. That’s just bashing to tear someone down.

I see the tragedy as resulting from MB suffering a mental break after being caught in an untenable situation. The untenable situation was not created by LK in a vacuum. RC played a role, and was at fault, for bringing the gun. I’m not even saying MHG was “at fault” for her role, just that she played a role in pressuring MB to send LK off, when, apparently, he didn’t want to lose her as a client.

I think the bashing lies in the insistence that the entire tragedy somehow resulted purely from the actions of LK in a vacuum.

I honestly don’t think that 48 hours will present it that way. But that’s what I’m curious to see.

Again through all this mumbo jumbo is the premise that MHG wronged LK when in fact she dis NOTHING.

AS SUCH YOU MUST STATE WHAT MHG EVER DID TO LK. HOW DID MHG WRONG LK???

No. Nowhere in my post is the premise that “MHG wronged LK”.

Yet you cite MHG as a source of angst and wrote her initials at least five times as you described your version of events.

We’ve already been told by Seeker1 that LK wanted MHGs status as Number 1 student.

The end result is a sick twisted insistence that LK was owed anything at all.

It is the insistance and premise that LK was entitled to stay at all.

She wasn’t.

And this whole mess has the shoddy and mistaken point of view that LK was owed anything at all.

[eggbutt]

In the spirit of full disclosure (why not, seems my life has become an open book on this forum), I am 71 years old - 72 on Sunday! I am not in a wheelchair, an invalid, experiencing dementia, losing control of my bodily functions, don’t have one foot in the grave, etc. The idea that anyone wants to bash anyone’s age or make assumptions about age speaks volumes. I can promise you that even on the eve of becoming 72 long years old, I can run rings around Lauren AND her mother every day of the week and twice on Thursdays.

In my 72 years of life on this planet, I have never, ever been arrested for anything, not even close. I have been successful in several areas of interest both commercially, and privately. I have volunteered for one group or another for well over 50 years and am sought after to help organize activities. I have no shame in my life with a successful family of goal-oriented members of a functioning society. My family does not target others to destroy, defraud or take advantage of. My family does not conspire to Finish the Bastard under any circumstances. Am I a saint, heavens no…simply a relatively good human being living in a society organized to protect, educate, and help others. My family appears to be polar opposites of the Kanarek mob. Thankfully.

Oh, let’s address this too - I am agnostic after studying religions most of my life. I tend to lean on science more than fantasy, yet I also like to read tarot cards and horoscopes for fun. My experiences with the hypocrisy of organized religion have caused me to run, not walk, as far away from such people as I can manage at my advanced state of physical deterioation.

Let’s see, what else should I disclose before someone decides to riducule?

[hut-ho78]

@RND

I wonder if 48 Hours is going to cover the grotesque victim shaming aspect that has gone on here on the COTH forums for more than two years? It would be quite the story - “lonely, elderly ladies find comfort and companionship in years long online abuse of shooting victim”.

At least the moderator finally admitted that they are only letting everyone continue to abuse the Kanareks here because they consider them to be famous, and that those of you who continue to bash them are protected while no one else is allowed to bash all of you in kind.

Exactly. Thank you.

[Seeker1]

That is one opinion Knights Mom.