Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Knights_Mom]

@MorganSercu

But MB didn’t know the residents had been restored, I think.

If they were supposed to be gone, I would have cut off the water & electricity to underscore they were out and to stay out. Even if it was only for a few weeks. To get the message across.

Plus changing the locks and alarming every entry point.

But hindsight is easy.

Again, they had been restored too quickly. As such your listed actions would be illegal.

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

That is one opinion Knights Mom.

I write facts. Have all along.

Fix your skirt, your hypocrisy is showing.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MorganSercu

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August , right?

Once he had more background information on them he wanted nothing more than to see their rapidly receding backsides.

Once Lauren knew her & Rob’s drug abuse & legal issues (past or present) made her unwelcome she should have been making plans to go. Immediately.

Not turning up her nose at other perfectly acceptable barns.

I wonder if what made her balk was not being permitted to crash or live on-site of the new barn placement secured by her father (and MB’s attorney - right?).

Her entitlement is off the charts. Again, I doubt it can all be laid at the feet of her addiction.

I don’t think the purpose of the background check was to vet them as tenants. If you vet tenants you do that before they first move in. I think the purpose of the PI report was to get 750 pages to send to USEF.

If you’ve dealt with them for a year and a half and then suddenly stumble across dangerous behavior, most landlords would just give 30 days notice rather than get a report. Or if it’s really alarming, get an emergency 3 day order.

We know now that he was not in his right mind, so it’s less surprising, based on the psychiatric diagnosis, that he didn’t do the simple, rational thing of asking her to leave well prior to Aug 2019.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August , right?

Once he had more background information on them he wanted nothing more than to see their rapidly receding backsides.

Once Lauren knew her & Rob’s drug abuse & legal issues (past or present) made her unwelcome she should have been making plans to go. Immediately.

Not turning up her nose at other perfectly acceptable barns.

I wonder if what made her balk was not being permitted to crash or live on-site of the new barn placement secured by her father (and MB’s attorney - right?).

Her entitlement is off the charts. Again, I doubt it can all be laid at the feet of her addiction.

I don’t think the purpose of the background check was to vet them as tenants. If you vet tenants you do that before they first move in. I think the purpose of the PI report was to get 750 pages to send to USEF.

If you’ve dealt with them for a year and a half and then suddenly stumble across dangerous behavior, most landlords would just give 30 days notice rather than get a report. Or if it’s really alarming, get an emergency 3 day order.

We know now that he was not in his right mind, so it’s less surprising, based on the psychiatric diagnosis, that he didn’t do the simple, rational thing of asking her to leave well prior to Aug 2019.

Oh we’re sorry, did MB not react to the extortion properly?

[eggbutt]

Does anyone recall if Lauren posted those flattering photos “her mom” posted here on her Pinterest “I was shot” spread? Imagine making that the highlight of one’s life and never moving on.

[Seeker1]

As I have also said Night’s Mom… this whole situation was a series of two very scared people who did not have the best coping skills miscommunicating and misunderstanding each other. I am devastated by every aspect of this. You seem to want to place blame inappropriately.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t even understand how LKs father could “force” MB to keep LK as a client.

What is the history of JK “forcing” people into business relationships they don’t want?

You do not understand lots of things.

True. Since I don’t understand how he could force MB to continue the trainer relationship, I conclude that he didn’t force MB to continue the relationship.

And I conclude he did.

You conclude JK did “force” MB into continuing the training relationship, even though you don’t know concretely what type of force was used?

Let me guess: you do know what type of force JK used, you just don’t want to tell me.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

You seem to want to place blame inappropriately.

Nope. It’s very appropriately placed by most. She could have left…several times. She could have been a decent human being. She didn’t have to attempt to Finish the Bastard. Who does that?

[Angela_Freda]

@Knights_Mom

The occupants had been restored. There was no time period but for part of a day where they were removed from the premises.

Plus why would you cut off services? How do you do repairs with no electric especially in August?

Just wondering, if SGF had thought they had left, unaware of that late night restoration… And thought turning off utilities might prevent them coming back… What would have happened had it then been discovered that they were still there.

No one was aware of the FI telling them they could stay after all.
I might have decided to make sure their belongings were gone, taking RCs handy weapon just in case, swapped out the locks, and done everything I could think of to make it unattractive so they wouldn’t come back.
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Eta, you’ve answered already, I see. Thanks.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

Imagine relishing someone’s misfortune without being directly involved to gain fame and fortune like you are doing eggies.

Bless your heart…I am the one seeking fame and fortune? I am the one suing for huge amounts of money? I am the one rushing to every public forum to post about myself? Really, Kirby, please look at your own glass house. Besides, what on earth do I need fame and fortune for at my advance stage of decay?

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

who enjoys someone’s misery and misfortune Eggies?

I am completely heartbroken over Michael Barisone’s misery and misfortune. What a loss to so many caused by one very vindictive, nasty, envious individual driven to destroy.

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

As I have also said Night’s Mom… this whole situation was a series of two very scared people who did not have the best coping skills miscommunicating and misunderstanding each other. I am devastated by every aspect of this. You seem to want to place blame inappropriately.

Ah I see you’ve changed personalities again.

Well at least this version writes sentences.

I’m not placing blame inappropriately. I’m using logic and the facts presented. I’m using court testimony.

What I’m not using is LKs words because Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. LKs word means NOTHING. It’s nothing but garbage and lies. She even testified that it’s lies.

[MHM]

@Seeker1

who enjoys someone’s misery and misfortune Eggies?

Your daughter, clearly.

[Unfforgettable]

@Seeker1

Take the log from your own eye before trying to remove a splinter from someone else.

Perhaps you should open yours. Or at least take off the rose colored glasses.

[Seeker1]

OK off to another fun filled day of light and love. I am in my Bible study now and have to focus. After, a beautiful luncheon with my friends. I wish you all the best and hope you can find fulfillment and happiness in a healthy way. I am so glad I have healthy ways to find happiness.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@RND

I wonder if 48 Hours is going to cover the grotesque victim shaming aspect that has gone on here on the COTH forums for more than two years? It would be quite the story - “lonely, elderly ladies find comfort and companionship in years long online abuse of shooting victim”.

At least the moderator finally admitted that they are only letting everyone continue to abuse the Kanareks here because they consider them to be famous, and that those of you who continue to bash them are protected while no one else is allowed to bash all of you in kind.

The issue of how 48 Hours covers the bashing of the gunshot victim on SM here on COTH is one of the few areas of suspense left for me.

Since Eggbutt is both the long time leader of the threads and has officially disclosed her identity, I wonder if she’ll be interviewed. Her 15 minutes of fame!

Do you think COTH is really that important and significant? It’s possible they might touch on reactions on various SM platforms, but I don’t know that they’ll feature COTH or Eggbutt for 15 minutes, much more important things than that! I’d be surprised if they really go into it, but I’m not so familiar with the show.

Your definition of “bashing” however, may vary from others. To what extent is a gunshot victim free from criticism? To what extent can their actions be discussed? To what extent are they not responsible?

So and so’s “15 minutes of fame” is an expression; I don’t think Eggbutt will actually get 15 minutes on the program. But I hope she is mentioned for her role in the SM part of the drama.

There has been stuff on other SM platforms during and immediately after the trial, but has there been anything like the constant 3 years on COTH (obviously this will continue through the airing of the program in the fall)?

Obviously LKs behavior on and off SM in the weeks before the shooting contributed to the tense, volatile setting that eventually exploded in violence. But there were a number of principal players in this tragedy, including MHG and RC. If MBs divorce caused serious financial stress, which seems really likely, that’s another huge stress.

I’m not even saying that MHG was “at fault” for wanting LK gone. There was strong mutual animosity between the two women, and it’s extremely understandable that she would have wanted the farmhouse in reasonable privacy for herself, MB, and her children.

I don’t know if it’s true that LK was floating loans for the utility bills or not. But I can totally believe that MB was between a rock and a hard place — the rock being MHG with her insistence that MB send LK off, possibly threatening to leave him if he didn’t, and the hard place being LK, who he may have needed desperately for the revenue she brought in.

I believed IM when he said that MB, rather than being decisive and making a tough choice, he wanted it both ways, telling MHG he would deal with LK, and actively keeping LK as a client while telling her he would deal with MHG. It was untenable.

But if MB was under extreme stress by being between a rock and a hard place, it doesn’t make sense to me to say the situation was untenable solely because of the “hard place” and not because of “the rock”.

MB was caught in a dilemma, and, as it turned out, couldn’t cope. He became delusional.

If he had not had psychological/mental problems prior to May/June 2019, he could have coped with a difficult but not really that unusual situation; just suck it up and tell LK to leave, well before August 2019 and accept the lost revenue, or suck it up and tell MHG he wasn’t willing to send LK packing.

If MB had ever resolved that he simply wanted LK gone, he would have told her to leave (before Aug 5) instead of having her bring more horses in from quarantine and making plans to coach her at shows later in August, right?

I have no problem with LKs actions during the year and a half she trained with MB being discussed. She posted the dramatic FB posts about the king and queen. She called SS to report him for bullying. She called the BI to harass him.

But what has been discussed here for more than 2.5 years goes way beyond discussing LKs actual role in creating the situation that led to the shooting. That’s just bashing to tear someone down.

I see the tragedy as resulting from MB suffering a mental break after being caught in an untenable situation. The untenable situation was not created by LK in a vacuum. RC played a role, and was at fault, for bringing the gun. I’m not even saying MHG was “at fault” for her role, just that she played a role in pressuring MB to send LK off, when, apparently, he didn’t want to lose her as a client.

I think the bashing lies in the insistence that the entire tragedy somehow resulted purely from the actions of LK in a vacuum.

I honestly don’t think that 48 hours will present it that way. But that’s what I’m curious to see.

Again through all this mumbo jumbo is the premise that MHG wronged LK when in fact she dis NOTHING.

AS SUCH YOU MUST STATE WHAT MHG EVER DID TO LK. HOW DID MHG WRONG LK???

No. Nowhere in my post is the premise that “MHG wronged LK”.

Yet you cite MHG as a source of angst and wrote her initials at least five times as you described your version of events.

We’ve already been told by Seeker1 that LK wanted MHGs status as Number 1 student.

The end result is a sick twisted insistence that LK was owed anything at all.

It is the insistance and premise that LK was entitled to stay at all.

She wasn’t.

And this whole mess has the shoddy and mistaken point of view that LK was owed anything at all.

It is true I used MHGs initials 5 times.

It is not true that I used as a premise that “MHG wronged LK”.

[MHM]

Happy Early Birthday!!

[jaj]

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

ho hum… you are looking for attention Eggies… Sad but true… at my family’s expense. This is a hoot for you. You are having fun by your own admission. HOW SICK IS THAT>> WHO DOES THAT?

Where did I say any of this is “fun” Kirby. Come on, show me. It isn’t fun watching someone be in such denial of the responsibility of their offspring to tragic events that changed so many lives…long before she met Barisone. Was Lauren having “fun” harassing GJ? Was she having “fun” running through the woods barefoot in a veiled ninja outfit? Was it “fun” to not show up for lessons? Was it “fun” to call building inspectors, fire marshalls, SS, and heaven knows who else? Is it all about “fun” for your family?

[Seeker1]

MHM… I am responsible for my own happiness. She is responsible for hers. You are responsible for yours. If this activity makes you happy… perhaps you should consider seeking help. I seek help every single day of my life for a host of things. I fully believe in it. However, no matter what someone tells me to try to help me, it is my responsibility to take those suggestions if I want to be the best version of myself.
No one can help me but me. This is the same for everyone.